Ron Wagner + 714 February 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1-K4HiKbBE&t=101s CHINA Economy IMPLODING - Fastest Price Fall in 14 Years & Stock Market Crashes to 5 Year Low This is a detailed report but you can easily go to the succinct summary and conclusion. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 726 MK February 10 Ron, China is not dependent on its stockmarket for its economy. Most of the companies are state owned (by market capitalization) and they do not give a s**t what the price of the stock is. Deflation is low and it is not a danger. The most of US growth in 19th century was in times of deflation that is when in 1870 that US became top dog in economy size over Britain. Most of investment is out of bank loans and they are backed by largest inthe world bank deposits - this is over 65% of Chinese moeny for investment , the rest are bond, and IPO's are negligible. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 726 MK February 10 China is a different type of economy in comparison with US. People do not invest in stockmarket as in US. Less financialization more manufacturing, its more healthy. When China is growing 5.2% it is a collapse, when US is growing 5,.2% (Ok that was not the case in the latest 30 years) it is a miracle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM February 11 (edited) 17 hours ago, Marcin2 said: China is a different type of economy in comparison with US. People do not invest in stockmarket as in US. Less financialization more manufacturing, its more healthy. When China is growing 5.2% it is a collapse, when US is growing 5,.2% (Ok that was not the case in the latest 30 years) it is a miracle. People do not invest in stockmarket as in US... Yep they invest in apartments/real estate and that is the main reason the China economy is in a free fall right now....... The China Miracle is over until their Real Estate market gets fixed.....and right now it is in free fall...with no bottom in sight..... The real estate marked crash in China is not going to clean itself up in the next 2 years. CHina is growing at %5.2 percent.....highly questionable numbers out of the CCP reality Evergrande is the tip of the iceberg 2024-2025 China is in a deep recession Visual Capitalist China's Real Estate Crisis, Shown in Two Charts These charts show China's real estate boom in the 21st century and the subsequent slowdown since 2022, through both sales and new buildings. . 2 weeks ago Edited February 11 by notsonice 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 714 February 11 On 2/10/2024 at 10:48 AM, Marcin2 said: Ron, China is not dependent on its stockmarket for its economy. Most of the companies are state owned (by market capitalization) and they do not give a s**t what the price of the stock is. Deflation is low and it is not a danger. The most of US growth in 19th century was in times of deflation that is when in 1870 that US became top dog in economy size over Britain. Most of investment is out of bank loans and they are backed by largest inthe world bank deposits - this is over 65% of Chinese moeny for investment , the rest are bond, and IPO's are negligible. I am no economist but would like to see China succeed and the Communist Party fall. Americans have benefited greatly from their low priced goods but now we are avoiding being so dependent on them as our first choice. We should give them our business if they improve their behavior and evil doings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM February 12 9 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: I am no economist but would like to see China succeed and the Communist Party fall. Americans have benefited greatly from their low priced goods but now we are avoiding being so dependent on them as our first choice. We should give them our business if they improve their behavior and evil doings. I agree....time China gives up its love affair with North Korea and Russia...... Their economy has advanced to the point that they do not need Government control over everything that moves in China China man today is not happy having their life savings siphoned off by scams and Government corruption 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE February 12 40 minutes ago, notsonice said: I agree....time China gives up its love affair with North Korea and Russia...... Their economy has advanced to the point that they do not need Government control over everything that moves in China China man today is not happy having their life savings siphoned off by scams and Government corruption "China man" is low class. Do better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 726 MK February 16 (edited) On 2/11/2024 at 11:35 AM, notsonice said: People do not invest in stockmarket as in US... Yep they invest in apartments/real estate and that is the main reason the China economy is in a free fall right now....... The China Miracle is over until their Real Estate market gets fixed.....and right now it is in free fall...with no bottom in sight..... The real estate marked crash in China is not going to clean itself up in the next 2 years. CHina is growing at %5.2 percent.....highly questionable numbers out of the CCP reality Evergrande is the tip of the iceberg 2024-2025 China is in a deep recession But remember that it is Chinese govenment that started this free fall in 2020. Chinese government wanted to blow out Chinese property bubble so they enacted very string rules on property loans. And this started this FALL, it is started by Chinese government, THEY WANT IT. Cause urbanization is already at 67% and they want propoerty market to decrease from 25% of GDP to 15% of GDP. And it is going all according to the plan. Also with Evergrande bancruptsy, with Chinese courts not allowing liquidation and all flats being built for Chinese customers. China was in deep property decrease in 2023 and the GDP growth was 5.2%, the same will be in 2024 and 2025. Remember that Chinese retail sales in 2023 were 7.2% over 2022 sales. It is all the planned process. Edited February 16 by Marcin2 error Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM February 16 19 minutes ago, Marcin2 said: But remember that it is Chinese govenment that started this free fall in 2020. Chinese government wanted to blow out Chinese property bubble so they enacted very string rules on property loans. And this started this FALL, it is started by Chinese government, THEY WANT IT. Cause urbanization is already at 67% and they want propoerty market to decrease from 25% of GDP to 15% of GDP. And it is going all according to the plan. Also with Evergrande bancruptsy, with Chinese courts not allowing liquidation and all flats being built for Chinese customers. China was in deep property decrease in 2023 and the GDP growth was 5.2%, the same will be in 2024 and 2025. Remember that Chinese retail sales in 2023 were 7.2% over 2022 sales. It is all the planned process. what is your point???? today all of China is suffering.....They should have abandoned Putin in 2022 and for good reason Because they are siding with Russia in the Ukraine war....The US has good reason never to trust the Chinese Government US is on the right path to not provide China with advance chip tech and to divert imports to friendly countries such as Mexico and India the GDP growth in China you tout....numbers put out by the CCP. do you trust them to be truthful????...if you do I have a bridge to sell you. you do see the videos of the retail stores in China being smuggled out of China show empty stores everywhere Remember that Chinese retail sales in 2023 were 7.2% over 2022 sales. yeah recovery from full blown disaster of 2022 only 7 percent........ It is all the planned process.?????? your posts are BS 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 726 MK February 16 (edited) 8 minutes ago, notsonice said: what is your point???? today all of China is suffering.....They should have abandoned Putin in 2022 and for good reason Because they are siding with Russia in the Ukraine war....The US has good reason never to trust the Chinese Government US is on the right path to not provide China with advance chip tech and to divert imports to friendly countries such as Mexico and India the GDP growth in China you tout....numbers put out by the CCP. do you trust them to be truthful????...if you do I have a bridge to sell you. you do see the videos of the retail stores in China being smuggled out of China show empty stores everywhere Remember that Chinese retail sales in 2023 were 7.2% over 2022 sales. yeah recovery from full blown disaster of 2022 only 7 percent........ It is all the planned process.?????? your posts are BS I have no point, I just noticed the obvious that Chinese government started this free fall. I am not siding with China or US (although US i our ally in NATO and defends us from Russia) Chinese CCP statistics is rather good, altohugh it is obvious that all 2023 growth was on renewable investment. Of course China should abandon Putin I agree with you, but they knew that it will change nothing. Since 2008 China is the major rival of US, n o matter what happens. China is the only really adversary of US: with 120% US GDP PPP, and 75% GDP nominal, with twice electricity generaition and 3 times more cars built. Soviet Union was much much much weaker. And every bet is on China it iwill surpass US economy and later US global role. It is just the output of 1.4 billion vs 0.33 billion people of similar quality as far as education and health is concerned. It is not BS , if it were BS US would not spend 2 trillion on BS (US military spending in last decade DIRECTLY against Chinese rise). And property market is all PLANNED from the beginning, but it got unpredictable with Evergrande bancruptcy. Edited February 16 by Marcin2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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