Ron Wagner + 680 February 10 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2416060-huge-deposit-of-natural-hydrogen-gas-detected-deep-in-albanian-mine/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=2024-02-09-Underground-hyd huge-deposit-of-natural-hydrogen-gas-detected-deep-in-albanian-mine Will hydrogen ever be able to compete on price with natural gas? Is it found in amounts that could compete? Most hydrogen is taken from natural gas. https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-natural-gas-reforming#:~:text=Although today most hydrogen is,produce hydrogen from renewable resources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM February 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2416060-huge-deposit-of-natural-hydrogen-gas-detected-deep-in-albanian-mine/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=2024-02-09-Underground-hyd huge-deposit-of-natural-hydrogen-gas-detected-deep-in-albanian-mine Will hydrogen ever be able to compete on price with natural gas? Is it found in amounts that could compete? Most hydrogen is taken from natural gas. https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-natural-gas-reforming#:~:text=Although today most hydrogen is,produce hydrogen from renewable resources. from your article “The bubbling is really, really intense,” says Laurent Truche at the University of Grenoble Alpes in France, who measured the gas in a pool of water nearly a kilometre underground. “It’s like a Jacuzzi.” It was flowing at a rate of 11 tonnes per year,???? shit, the gassy mine I work in the 80s was putting out over 40,000 tons of methane a year........ how does that compare to your 11 tonnes a year........ the find of hydrogen in Albania....a joke Gassy mines are everywhere..........they are significant producers of Green House gases...... Gassy Coal mines are a menace bubbling gas is called bleeders.....they are everywhere in gassy mines.......not worth the money to try to catch the bleeder gas..... and no one would call bleeders of 11 tonnes a year a HUGE DEPOSIT..... The Green Transition has a path for reducing coal mining...reducing Methane emissions and reducing Nat gas use to create hydrogen....... It is called Green Hydrogen PS a tornado in Wisconsin in February ?????? should be a wake up call to those denying that Humans are screwing up the planet Edited February 10 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE February 10 (edited) Any Helium in a very light gas find is probably worth much more than the fuel. Edited February 10 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Gagen + 713 February 11 50,000 tons sounds like a lot, but it really isn't annual natural gas production in the world today is ~ 4 trillion cubic meters, which is equivalent to 2,700 billion tons a year - this deposit in Albania can, at best displace ~ 10 minutes of world demand for natural gas. What's really interesting, is that up to this point the amount of naturally occuring hydrogen found in the earth has been ~ zero. The fact that there is any outside of outerspace, or hydrogen we have manufactured deserves serious study. It's entirely possible there are larger deposits somewhere else which might be of economic interest. This particular deposit, while small on the world scale could actually have some meaningful effect in a nation with an economy as small as Albania's. it's equivalent to a natural gas field of ~ 0.02 - 2 trillion cubic ft or .008 - .08 billion cubic meters - that's not huge but it's in the commercial range if you reliably drill into it, and find a use for it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM February 12 (edited) 7 hours ago, Eric Gagen said: 50,000 tons sounds like a lot, but it really isn't annual natural gas production in the world today is ~ 4 trillion cubic meters, which is equivalent to 2,700 billion tons a year - this deposit in Albania can, at best displace ~ 10 minutes of world demand for natural gas. What's really interesting, is that up to this point the amount of naturally occuring hydrogen found in the earth has been ~ zero. The fact that there is any outside of outerspace, or hydrogen we have manufactured deserves serious study. It's entirely possible there are larger deposits somewhere else which might be of economic interest. This particular deposit, while small on the world scale could actually have some meaningful effect in a nation with an economy as small as Albania's. it's equivalent to a natural gas field of ~ 0.02 - 2 trillion cubic ft or .008 - .08 billion cubic meters - that's not huge but it's in the commercial range if you reliably drill into it, and find a use for it. natural gas production in the world today is ~ 4 trillion cubic meters, which is equivalent to 2,700 billion tons a year???? your saying the weight of of one cubic meter of nat gas weighs around .7 tonnes???????? more like 2.7 billion tonnes not 2,700 billion tonnes (2.7 Trillion) your way off on your math.....need to look at what you post and do a reality check coal production is 8 billion plus tonnes a year and your saying Nat gas is 350 times coal production??????? try again the Albanian find......again this is considered a very small bleeder in a coal mine and no one ...I say no one gets excited about an 11 tonne per year bleeder The Albanian find is nothing to even report and the search for more??? a waste of money you would need to find a deposit of a 100,000 tonnes to a million tonnes of hydrogen......what they found was again not worth mentioning In today's world if you leak 50,000 tonnes of methane from an oil or gas well.....this is huge...and it is regulated but from a coal mine today?????? no one pays attention and it is not regulated PS 50,000 tonnes is the amount of a mid sized LNG ship capacity or about 25 million dollars worth of gas Edited February 12 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites