German Voters Set to Punish Merkel’s Conservative Bloc

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Elections in two of Germany’s most prosperous regions are likely to diminish Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative bloc and further destabilize her fragile government, potentially even jeopardizing her leadership. The first vote takes place on Sunday in Bavaria, home to BMW , Siemens and Adidas, where polls show the conservative Christian Social Union winning just 33% of the vote. That would be the party’s worst result since 1950 and force it to seek a coalition partner to stay in power, only the second time it would have to do so since 1962. Ms. Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union party also appears likely to take a beating in Hesse, home to Germany’s financial capital in Frankfurt, where an Oct. 28 vote will elect a new parliament. Polls show the CDU taking 29% of the votes from the 38.3% it won in 2013, possibly losing control of the state.

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CDU = Christian Democratic Union. And Merkel is far from democratic. She's more socialist than conservative...

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1 hour ago, franco said:

 And Merkel is far from democratic. She's more socialist than conservative...

What does this phrase actually mean? Or which planet is this message from? Merkel is the leader of one of the most conservative Christian Democratic parties in Europe and she is a socialist? Socialist in what sense? And assuming this makes any sense or has any relation to facts, what is the connection to the first phrase "far from democratic"? What do you really mean by "democratic" ? Can we please be more moderate, nuanced, or at least less ideological and more factual? Otherwise, this all becomes too much Disneyland for anyone on this forum, which is supposed to be about oil market. 

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20 minutes ago, NAPHTA said:

What does this phrase actually mean? Or which planet is this message from? Merkel is the leader of one of the most conservative Christian Democratic parties in Europe and she is a socialist? Socialist in what sense? And assuming this makes any sense or has any relation to facts, what is the connection to the first phrase "far from democratic"? What do you really mean by "democratic" ? Can we please be more moderate, nuanced, or at least less ideological and more factual? Otherwise, this all becomes too much Disneyland for anyone on this forum, which is supposed to be about oil market. 

Our community guidelines do not require anyone to be more moderate, nuanced, or even less ideological or more factual. There is plenty of room for differing opinions here on Planet Oilprice, regardless of which planet you call home.

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2 hours ago, NAPHTA said:

What does this phrase actually mean? Or which planet is this message from? Merkel is the leader of one of the most conservative Christian Democratic parties in Europe and she is a socialist? Socialist in what sense? And assuming this makes any sense or has any relation to facts, what is the connection to the first phrase "far from democratic"? What do you really mean by "democratic" ? Can we please be more moderate, nuanced, or at least less ideological and more factual? Otherwise, this all becomes too much Disneyland for anyone on this forum, which is supposed to be about oil market. 

When I say she's more socialist than conservative, I mean first of all on Merkel's softly approach on imigration problems and process! I hope that you know that conservative part of CDU doesn't support, or not completly support her policy about this issue. At the same time, Mr. NAPHTA, according to last polls, each attempt of CDU/CSU's shift to the right on migration policy is causing their more liberal, centrist supporters to jump ship - and pick Greens as new (temporary) home. So, Merkel is between two fires and often she is trying to extinguish fire with oil. So this is a fact and also my opinion and as far as I'm taught we should always respect other people's opinion even when we don't agree with it.

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The Chancellor is close to the left rather than the center and the right. Merkel moved CDU to the left. She adopted the green ideology, affirmative action, minimum wage and whatever socialist plan that was out there...

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14 hours ago, franco said:

When I say she's more socialist than conservative, I mean first of all on Merkel's softly approach on imigration problems and process! I hope that you know that conservative part of CDU doesn't support, or not completly support her policy about this issue. At the same time, Mr. NAPHTA, according to last polls, each attempt of CDU/CSU's shift to the right on migration policy is causing their more liberal, centrist supporters to jump ship - and pick Greens as new (temporary) home. So, Merkel is between two fires and often she is trying to extinguish fire with oil. So this is a fact and also my opinion and as far as I'm taught we should always respect other people's opinion even when we don't agree with it.

Mr Franco, I am grateful for your reply and as a sign of respect, I reply to you. I never said anything about your opinion. I said simply if we start calling broad daylight dark moonlight, clouds big giants in the sky and earth a cubic construction in my bathroom, then we definitely have moved to a parallel universe. I am not even again parallel universes, just put a sign and write Welcome to Twin Peaks or sth similar. It was just a piece of friendly advice.

Mr Franco, Concerning war refugees, During the Spanish war, Fascist troops under General Franco slaughtered the resistance and pushed thousands of people out of their homes. France and other countries took these refugees as this is what decent humanist societies always do faced with injustice against other people. Many of those refugees were anarchist partisans. Migration has never been a problem for a healthy and thriving society. It is only when a society's democratic institutions start to decay and reality of humanity starts to succumb to the animal predator mindset, it is only then the movement of people and war refugees become an issue. Merkel is a Christian and at least acted on that issue as she preaches. Apart from that, for an ageing society like Germany, this humanitarian gesture is a gain both mid and long term. 

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On 10/13/2018 at 4:41 AM, NAPHTA said:

Mr Franco, I am grateful for your reply and as a sign of respect, I reply to you. I never said anything about your opinion. I said simply if we start calling broad daylight dark moonlight, clouds big giants in the sky and earth a cubic construction in my bathroom, then we definitely have moved to a parallel universe. I am not even again parallel universes, just put a sign and write Welcome to Twin Peaks or sth similar. It was just a piece of friendly advice.

Mr Franco, Concerning war refugees, During the Spanish war, Fascist troops under General Franco slaughtered the resistance and pushed thousands of people out of their homes. France and other countries took these refugees as this is what decent humanist societies always do faced with injustice against other people. Many of those refugees were anarchist partisans. Migration has never been a problem for a healthy and thriving society. It is only when a society's democratic institutions start to decay and reality of humanity starts to succumb to the animal predator mindset, it is only then the movement of people and war refugees become an issue. Merkel is a Christian and at least acted on that issue as she preaches. Apart from that, for an ageing society like Germany, this humanitarian gesture is a gain both mid and long term. 

I guess it’s all perspective.  In terms of Merkel and whether she is “Christian”, “socialist” or “conservative” from my religious and political perspective, shaped here in Texas, Ms. Merkel is not especially Christian, her immigration policies not withstanding; nor is she particularly conservative.  Christ-like living, to be Christian, cannot be summed up by her immigration policy.  Compared to many of us here in the U.S., she is about as conservative as the pope is Protestant.  Perspective.  We won’t agree on this I know and I am ok with that.  You share your thoughts, I and others share ours.  As Tom pointed out, this is not the place for thought crimes and thought police.

Healthy migration?  Merkel and other European leaders are playing with fire, the fire caused when civilizations collide.   

The vast majority of “refugees”, “immigrants”, however you wish to classify them, now coming from  the Middle East are coming from countries wholly ran by Theocracies.  They have little to no experience with “democracy” or “liberty”.  They know nothing of life where they are free to be left alone by their government or the religious clerics.  They are not seeking democracy.

The only real parallel between the taking in of refugees during WW2 and currently is that Germany and other European nations are taking them in.  That’s the sum total of similarity between then and now.  The folks currently being taken in are steeped in theocracy that controls every single facet of their lives.  And they aren’t fleeing to Europe looking to throw that theocratic yolk from there lives.

Democracy, 😂, yeah, once enough of them are in place their theocracy will be the democracy rule of the mob.  Not a democracy in a western sense of the word.  It will be a theocracy disguised as democracy.  The mob rule of theocracy.  And trust this, when it’s fully in place, Germans won’t recognize Germany, none of us will.