Paris Is Burning Over Climate Change Taxes -- Is America Next?

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10 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Just for a giggle:

Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. Problems arise when people want to disguise opinions as facts....

An illustration of this fact : Angela merkel never said : “Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty,”

She said : "Nationalstaaten müssen heute – sollten heute, sage ich – bereit sein, Souveränität abzugeben"

Which (for me) sounds different that your english translation.

You translation seems to imply that European states must give up their sovereignty, although the original sentence seems to imply that European stated must surrender more sovereignty... Devils hides in the details...

 

Edited December 28, 2018 by AlexF

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On 12/27/2018 at 12:57 AM, ronwagn said:

Equating the AFD with Nazis is just plain dishonest. Anyone should know better than that. They are against Muslim immigration, which is the general will of the people. That has nothing to do with Nazis. Hitler was fond of Islam and did all he could to ally with them. 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

Actually AFD have in past had to exclude member that publicly exhibitted sympathy for the Nazi party and even some holocaust deniers. They have cleaned up the facade quite a bit in recent times, but have a look at the few months old story and let me know if you want revise your point of view: 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44354559 

Concerning AFD being the will of the people - they have somewhere between 20 % and 25 % of the votes. That is decidly NOT the will of the people. It is an important minority that needs to be listened to. 

Re Nazis being pro-Islam - I really think this was more of practical alliance against a common enemy than anything else. Thankfully we will never know. 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Rasmus Jorgensen

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15 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Fine for Denmark but every nation should have the ability to withdraw from the European Union IMO. 

But everyone does. It is called article 50 of the treaty. It is what the UK envoked to leave. The only reason there has even been a brexit debate is that the UK wanted to keep some of the benefits of being in the Union. The EU on the other hand said - if you want some of the benefits you must also take some of the responsibillities. Simple. 

All I am saying is that for most countries the EU is an economic benefit. And that's why there a lot of huffing and puffing, but little action. We will see how Brexit plays out - nobody will leave EU before they understand the impact Brexit. Personally, I think both EU and UK will lose, but the UK will lose most. 

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4 hours ago, jaycee said:

Hitler was right wing the fact his party used Socialist in its title does not make it left wing. Here is a quote from Wikipedia on the Nazis explaining how they hated the Left which is odd if they were Left wing.

 

The Lost History of Antifa

72 years after the triumph over Nazism, we look back to postwar Germany, when socialists gave birth to Antifa.

 

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5 hours ago, Illurion said:

That is how many members of this forum feel when they read what you write sometimes. 

Including me.

If that is the case then I think it says more about the readers than @Red His comments on climate change etc seems rooted in science. The rest are opinion, which of course you are free to disagree with, but I really don't think you can dismiss them just because you disagree. 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Rasmus Jorgensen

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25 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Hmmmm.

There seem to be many things that you do not understand.  Maybe if you chose words rather than pictures it would be easier to explain it to you.

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29 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

All I am saying is that for most countries the EU is an economic benefit. And that's why there a lot of huffing and puffing, but little action. We will see how Brexit plays out - nobody will leave EU before they understand the impact Brexit. Personally, I think both EU and UK will lose, but the UK will lose most. 

Many here rail against globalism, but maybe should be looking at where their clothes and appliances are made.  Australia's federal government is pro-Brexit while at the same time entering into numerous free trade agreements.  Blind Freddy can usually sniff a good deal when he hears it, and carries his vote to the next election.  Which is very different to the promises made beforehand which fail to materialise.

Unfortunately when Rasmus notes that both the UK and UE will lose, he really means that the people lose.  Those in power who are blind to that reality do not stay in power.

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13 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

The EU ivory tower elite in Brussels are apparently annoyed at Macron, for listening to the yellow jacket protestor's demands.

This will probably not end well...

Here is an article in German:

https://www.wr.de/politik/oettinger-wilder-brexit-wuerde-fuer-deutschland-teuer-werden-id216087147.html

And here is an excerpt of that German interview with EU Budget Commissioner Günther Oettinger, run through Google Translate:

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Will France's President Emmanuel Macron, against whom his own people rise, remain the EU's hope?

Oettinger: President Macron has lost authority with his budget for 2019, which exceeds the deficit limit of three percent. But he remains a strong supporter of the European Union.

Macron's billionaire pledges to the "yellow vests" bring the French budget in additional distress. When does Brussels step in?

Oettinger: We checked the French budget a few weeks ago and will not be revisiting it now. Crucially, Macron is continuing its reform policy, especially on the labor market, and France is not leaving the growth path.

Under this condition, we will tolerate a national debt higher than three percent as a one-time exception. However, it must not continue beyond 2019.
 

Ehh.. What are you trying to say with this? I am not trying to be funny. I don't understand. 

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11 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Ehh.. What are you trying to say with this? I am not trying to be funny. I don't understand. 

That's all right, Rasmus, he doesn't understand it either. 

Herewith a short tutorial.  The salient underpinning of the EU is a common currency, the Euro.  While not all nations have adopted it - for example, Rasmus' Denmark retains the Danish Kroner, England retains the Pound Sterling - other nations have gone to the Euro, or have been pressured into adopting the Euro as a price for participating in the European Central Bank special drawing rights  (currency loans).  Now here is the rub:  when say Greece adopts the Euro  (which it has) and abandons the Drachma, it loses the ability to set its own monetary policy.  It cannot devalue its currency in response to weak demand for its goods.  It cannot devalue to make tourist vacations in Greece cheaper.  It cannot devalue to make ships built in the Greek shipyards more price competitive with those being built in Poland or in Romania.  So Greece gets locked in.

Now what happens?  The Greek Government has committed to a certain level of social spending, to support what is factually a weak economy, in order to avoid widespread destitution.  Note that I said "destitution," and not "poverty;" what has been happening in Greece goes way beyond ordinary poverty.  In order to accomplish what is a de-facto State intervention into the capitalist economy, it plays the role of social-welfare provider.  But it cannot raise the revenues to do that, as the economy is not robust; the people are not selling their products and their services, as the Euro is pricing them "out of the  market."  

Governments that are committed to avoiding destitution and collapse thus have to borrow, and for Greece, as a practical matter that means borrowing from German banks that in turn have recourse to the European Central Bank, which in turn has recourse effectively to the taxpayers of the rich countries of the EU.  And with England out of the loop and France in turmoil and upside-down on its own spending, and the poorer ring countries such as Spain and Italy and Slovenia unable to provide funds, it falls to the Germans.  From that, the observation that it will be "teuer," or "expensive," for the Germans.  The Germans will end up footing the bills. 

Why not go back to individual currencies?  Remember that the original rationale for the Euro was to provide predictability to parties in transactions across national borders.  Everyone was on the same page, just as in the USA all entities in the various States all use the US Dollar; just as the dwellers in the various Provinces of Canada all use the Canadian Dollar.  If you take a purchase order from a buyer in Quebec for your WCS oil in Alberta, the Albertan Seller is assured he gets paid the full value of the invoice in Canadian Dollars, not in Quebec Francs, which may have devalued by the time the future transaction materializes.  So the Brussels Bureaucrats, and the German manufacturers, locked into the concept of the Euro as a common currency. 

But once in, those national governments were surrendering monetary control to Brussels.  That meant everything from interest rates to inter-bank loan rates and availability was going to be controlled outside national borders.  Greece, Italy, Spain now do not control their own destiny.  Where the Brussels Controllers dictate fiscal austerity, with the national government forbidden to run a deficit over 3%,  the tool of deficit spending, dear to Keynesians everywhere,  is off the table.  And that means poverty for the masses. 

You see the dismal results in Greece, in Italy, and in the other countries of the soft underbelly of Europe.  Those are weak economies, and they need the devaluation tool.  If they cannot do that, they need big deficit spending - which they cannot repay.  Those big deficits ultimately are funded by Germany - so it gets expensive, for the Germans.  To no surprise, that does not go over big back in Berlin. 

Edited December 29, 2018 by Jan van Eck
spelling error

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1 hour ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

The Lost History of Antifa

72 years after the triumph over Nazism, we look back to postwar Germany, when socialists gave birth to Antifa.

 

Those were not "socialists," Tom; those were Communists.  I gather you do not speak German.  Take another look at the banners on the building.  One reads:  "Die Rote Fahne," or "The Red Flag."  Another sprouts "KPD", which are the initials of the "Kommunistische Partei Deutschland."   Communist Party of Germany. 

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1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

Herewith a short tutorial.  The salient underpinning of the EU is a common currency, the Euro.  While not all nations have adopted it - for example, Rasmus' Denmark retains the Danish Kroner, England retains the Pound Sterling - other nations have gone to the Uero, or have been pressured into adopting the Euro as a price for participating in the European Central Bank special drawing rights  (currency loans).  Now here is the rub:  when say Greece adopts the Euro  (which it has) and abandons the Drachma, it loses the ability to set its own monetary policy.  It cannot devalue its currency in response to weak demand for its goods.  It cannot devalue to make tourist vacations in Greece cheaper.  It cannot devalue to make ships built in the Greek shipyards more price competitive with those being built in Poland or in Romania.  So Greece gets locked in.

 Now what happens?  The Greek Government has committed to a certain level of social spending, to support what is factually a weak economy, in order to avoid widespread destitution.  Note that I said "destitution," and not "poverty;" what has been happening in Greece goes way beyond ordinary poverty.  In order to accomplish what is a de-facto State intervention into the capitalist economy, it plays the role of social-welfare provider.  But it cannot raise the revenues to do that, as the economy is not robust; the people are not selling their products and their services, as the Euro is pricing them "out of the  market."  

Governments that are committed to avoiding destitution and collapse thus have to borrow, and for Greece, as a practical matter that means borrowing from German banks that in turn have recourse to the European Central Bank, which in turn has recourse effectively to the taxpayers of the rich countries of the EU.  And with England out of the loop and France in turmoil and upside-down on its own spending, and the poorer ring countries such as Spain and Italy and Slovenia unable to provide funds, it falls to the Germans.  From that, the observation that it will be "teuer," or "expensive," for the Germans.  The Germans will end up footing the bills. 

Why not go back to individual currencies?  Remember that the original rationale for the Euro was to provide predictability to parties in transactions across national borders.  Everyone was on the same page, just as in the USA all entities in the various States all use the US Dollar; just as the dwellers in the various Provinces of Canada all use the Canadian Dollar.  If you take a purchase order from a buyer in Quebec for your WCS oil in Alberta, the Albertan Seller is assured he gets paid the full value of the invoice in Canadian Dollars, not in Quebec Francs, which may have devalued by the time the future transaction materializes.  So the Brussels Bureaucrats, and the German manufacturers, locked into the concept of the Euro as a common currency. 

But once in, those national governments were surrendering monetary control to Brussels.  That meant everything from interest rates to inter-bank loan rates and availability was going to be controlled outside national borders.  Greece, Italy, Spain now do not control their own destiny.  Where the Brussels Controllers dictate fiscal austerity, with the national government forbidden to run a deficit over 3%,  the tool of deficit spending, dear to Keynesians everywhere,  is off the table.  And that means poverty for the masses. 

 You see the dismal results in Greece, in Italy, and in the other countries of the soft underbelly of Europe.  Those are weak economies, and they need the devaluation tool.  If they cannot do that, they need big deficit spending - which they cannot repay.  Those big deficits ultimately are funded by Germany - so it gets expensive, for the Germans.  To no surprise, that does not go over big back in Berlin. 

This I knew. And I got what the article was about (although I believe you are underplaying the benefits of the EURO). But seems a far bit stretched to connect this with Macron and EU imploding... 

ps. whilst Denmark has retained the "Krone" we have pegged it against the EURO, and prior to the EURO it pegged against the D-mark. 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Rasmus Jorgensen

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8 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Ehh.. What are you trying to say with this? I am not trying to be funny. I don't understand. 

Near as I can tell, the EU leadership are simply going to disregard the yellow jacket protests and carry on with the globalist agenda, where individual countries are viewed as bad.  Recall Macron's speech on the world stage last month:

In a solemn address, Mr Macron said: “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism: nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism.”

Seems like EU leadership will simply ignore both French yellow jacket protestors and now also ignore Macron - since EU leadership elite apparently consider that Macron has "lost authority" by giving in to some of the protestors demands.

The disintigration and subsequent Borgification of individual countries into a globalist entity will continue as planned.  Brussels / U.N. Uber Alles, with pesky individual nations expected to get back with the program.

Although Spring may see a renewed fervor of fresh protests in France, Italy, and probably a few other restless EU countries when the weather warms up again.

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10 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

 

8 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Those were not "socialists," Tom; those were Communists.  I gather you do not speak German.  Take another look at the banners on the building.  One reads:  "Die Rote Fahne," or "The Red Flag."  Another sprouts "KPD", which are the initials of the "Kommunistische Partei Deutschland."   Communist Party of Germany. 

Tom lives in a world of fake news and therefore has difficulty with reality.  For example, the above flags have simply been branded "paramilitary" by right wing media here and their errant disciples.  There are dozens (probably a lot more) of kooky websites that recycle these novelties and the believers reinvent the past with new meaning, or change their present to conform.

Wherein lies the problem is that a new normal is born.  It's devoid of critical thought and instead reliant on a stream of reinforcement from all sides of the political spectrum.

Applying common sense to some concepts is not too hard.  For example, we cannot have an anti-vaccine movement unless vaccines exist.  And we cannot have anti-fascist movements unless there is fascism.

We can then follow through with our knowledge about the value of vaccines, or the role of fascism, to reasonably determine how each has contributed to society.  

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13 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

If that is the case then I think it says more about the readers than @Red His comments on climate change etc seems rooted in science. The rest are opinion, which of course you are free to disagree with, but I really don't think you can dismiss them just because you disagree. 

They aren't rooted in science.   Like fake news,  it is fake science.

Massive evidence in the media about how the data has been changed,  and backdated.

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12 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Ehh.. What are you trying to say with this? I am not trying to be funny. I don't understand. 

He is stating that the EU Elite have not changed,  and give the indication that they are going to ignore the people and continue down the same path that caused these EU wide problems.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Illurion

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12 minutes ago, Illurion said:

He is stating that the EU Elite have not changed,  and give the indication that they are going to ignore the people and continue down the same past that caused these EU wide problems.

Yep, your summary is better than my excessively rambling attempt to explain. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Illurion said:

They aren't rooted in science.   Like fake news,  it is fake science.

Massive evidence in the media about how the data has been changed,  and backdated.

You are delusional.

You could not name the Alt left Elite when pressed, and you have no idea about climate science.

You are mired in foolish conspiracy theories.

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17 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Yep, your summary is better than my excessively rambling attempt to explain. 

 

forget the others.  i love your pictures.

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17 minutes ago, Red said:

You are delusional.

You could not name the Alt left Elite when pressed, and you have no idea about climate science.

You are mired in foolish conspiracy theories.

Red:

 

(1)  as far as i am concerned,  YOU are a member of the alt-left.    But big deal,  if that is what floats your boat,  then fine...

(2)  as has been mentioned many times in these two threads,  the EU ELITE are the alt-left elite in the EU.   I would mention that Rodent says we can no longer mention the name MAXINE WATERS,   but i will do so anyway,  as she is one of the Alt-left Elite in the USA....

I could go on,  but it is a waste,  as facts are just ignored by you.

You seem to interpret as you want to interpret,  and ignore the spirit in which the other persons post was written....

 

As for conspiracy theories,  you have already shown that you do not know what a theory is.

 

In conclusion,  why don't you spend more time actually writing something that might interest more people on the board,  rather than attacking everyone else about what they wrote ..!

 

Take Jan for example,   he and i go at it every once in a while,  but at least HE WRITES INTERESTING THINGS....

 

And because of that,  he has far more UPVOTES than the number of posts he has written.

In other words,  he is seen as POSITIVE on the board,  even by me.

Why can't you be more like Jan ?

Have you even written anything about OIL at all ?    or is arguing politics all you want to talk about. ?

This site is about oil......

We have this "geopolitics" section as an afterthought for trends that might affect oil,  or simply because it is a slow day in oil.

Please stop attacking me,  and just leave me alone.

 

I come here to keep track of oil / gasoline.....   and to exchange ideas...  or even to debate ideas...

 

But arguing,  and debating are not the same thing.

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Just a general reminder, the forum allows any member to filter (hide) any other member's comments.  

If somebody realky wrankles you, try temporarily filtering that member for a week, and see how it goes.

> Settings > Account > Ignored Users

But probably best not to use the Ignored Users function as your own personal echo box.  Just try using it temporarily for someone you personally find to consistently be noise.

 

Or not... I'm not your mother...

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18 hours ago, jaycee said:

Hitler was right wing 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

I am not a fan of wikipedia.

I do not agree that the Nazis were right wing.

There were actual conservative Right Wing Nationalists in Germany at the time,  and they were the RIGHT WING...

The Nazis were far LEFT WING in that they wanted to totally change the status quo in Germany....   The Nazis were not Nationalists,  they were just ideologue thugs.  Pretty much like what ANTIFA is in the USA today.

That is what Tom is trying to say.

 

But these days,  everyone tends to believe whatever is written in Wikipedia,  like it is some type of Bible.

I am not one of them.

 

In the end,  it is all just opinion anyway.   But i believe that Tom is more accurate than whoever wrote what was in wikipedia.

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19 minutes ago, Illurion said:

Red:

(1)  as far as i am concerned,  YOU are a member of the alt-left.    But big deal,  if that is what floats your boat,  then fine...

(2)  as has been mentioned many times in these two threads,  the EU ELITE are the alt-left elite in the EU.   I would mention that Rodent says we can no longer mention the name MAXINE WATERS,   but i will do so anyway,  as she is one of the Alt-left Elite in the USA....

I could go on,  but it is a waste,  as facts are just ignored by you.

You seem to interpret as you want to interpret,  and ignore the spirit in which the other persons post was written....

 

As for conspiracy theories,  you have already shown that you do not know what a theory is.

 

In conclusion,  why don't you spend more time actually writing something that might interest more people on the board,  rather than attacking everyone else about what they wrote ..!

 

Take Jan for example,   he and i go at it every once in a while,  but at least HE WRITES INTERESTING THINGS....

 

And because of that,  he has far more UPVOTES than the number of posts he has written.

In other words,  he is seen as POSITIVE on the board,  even by me.

Why can't you be more like Jan ?

Have you even written anything about OIL at all ?    or is arguing politics all you want to talk about. ?

This site is about oil......

We have this "geopolitics" section as an afterthought for trends that might affect oil,  or simply because it is a slow day in oil.

Please stop attacking me,  and just leave me alone.

 

I come here to keep track of oil / gasoline.....   and to exchange ideas...  or even to debate ideas...

 

But arguing,  and debating are not the same thing.

I asked you to name an ALT-LEFT ELITISTS at the EU, which was what you were making claims about, and you come up with an outspoken US politician known for supporting the rights of minorities.  Given how randomly you allocate the term Prince Phillip and Sir David  Attenborough could have been on your list.

You say I ignore facts, but they are my stock in trade.  On the other hand, you comment in this thread on areas which you appear to have little knowledge.  Exactly how can anyone argue with or debate nonsense?

I too like Jan's posts, and those of many others I read.  And I did (and still can) write in a lot of detail until I realised that changing what people think is more effectively achieved by getting people to think in the first place. 

By the way, a theory is - in science - simply the best explanation.  That's until another way proves to be better.  In common language it can be simply an idea without substance (faith, feeling, opinion, but generally lacking reason).

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19 hours ago, jaycee said:

Hitler was right wing the fact his party used Socialist in its title does not make it left wing. Here is a quote from Wikipedia on the Nazis explaining how they hated the Left which is odd if they were Left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),^[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) – in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.

Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system, but also incorporated fervent antisemitism, scientific racism, and eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism came from Pan-Germanism and the Völkisch movement prominent in the German nationalism of the time, and it was strongly influenced by the anti-Communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged after Germany's defeat in World War I, from which came the party's "cult of violence" which was "at the heart of the movement."^[2]

Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.^[3] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a German homogeneous society based on racial purity which represented a people's community (Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum and exclude those who they deemed either community aliens or "inferior" races.

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization.^[4]

The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party – to attract workers away from left-wing parties such as the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD) – and Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization. The National Socialist Program or "25 Points" was adopted in 1920 and called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries. In Mein Kampf ("My Struggle"; 1924–1925), Hitler outlined the anti-Semitism and anti-Communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for representative democracy and his belief in Germany's right to territorial expansion.^[5]

Regards the Klan I cannot see any way their actions are Left wing what its members were before joining is somewhat irrelevant if you are referring to Nathan Forest, their first Grand Wizard, being a democrat the actions of the Klan are not close to any Democratic position as far as I can see if fact none of the positions they take have any resemblance to Left wing ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

The Ku Klux Klan (/ˈkuː ˈklʌks ˈklæn, ˈkjuː/),^[a] commonly called the KKK or the Klan and commonly misspelled as the Klu Klux Klan, is an American terrorist organization. The Klan has existed in three distinct eras at different points in time during the history of the United States. Each has advocated extremist reactionary positions such as white supremacy, white nationalism, anti-immigration and—especially in later iterations—Nordicism^[8][9] and anti-Catholicism. Historically, the KKK used terrorism—both physical assault and murder—against groups or individuals whom they opposed.^[10] All three movements have called for the "purification" of American society and all are considered right-wing extremist organizations.^{[11][12][13][14]} In each era, membership was secret and estimates of the total were highly exaggerated by both friends and enemies.

 

The Far Right hate those they deem outsiders and the Far Left hate those with money and power, to be an extremist you need somebody to hate to get the right level of drive and passion going to bring down the governing structure they are railing against.

 

Totally agree. I hate both Left and Right wing extremes as they are solely about getting the people in charge in power so they can do what they want via a totalitarianism regime into which they morph. Both start with different agendas, Right wing is all about protecting the homeland from something usually another race the Left is about getting rid of the elite and distributing everything. They are both however about hating someone else and blaming them for all the ills they are suffering. In the end the new leaders become the same as the old ones they supplanted.

Try to align the tenets of the Nazi Party with Laissez-faire capitalism. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htp

Democrats and the Klu Klux Klan https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/the-democratic-party-and-the-kkk-11769046/

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Well written commentary.  Fits in with the yellow jacket protestors getting fed up with the totalitatarian fake democracy of EU elites.  And why Brussels will ultimately ignore the complaints of disenfranchised French protestors and simply proceed with globalization of a Borg EU regardless of what EU ordinary people think.

The Mock Democracy

The citizens are disenfranchised and conditioned to be politically apathetic consumers. In recent decades, democracy has been replaced by the illusion of democracy. New forms of organization of power and psychological methods for manipulation of our consciousness protect the powerful against the risks of democratic empowerment and strengthen their position. ...

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5 hours ago, Illurion said:

I do not agree that the Nazis were right wing.

There were actual conservative Right Wing Nationalists in Germany at the time,  and they were the RIGHT WING...

What are you talking about? 

This is a checkable fact. Read "mein kampf". It is loaded with anti-communism and anti-semitism.  If you are serious about your claim then qoute Mein Kampf. I can to back my claim up.