Dan Warnick + 6,100 January 3, 2019 Oh we're going there. Maybe I'll calm down by the time this thread gets to page 62 or so. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said: Oh we're going there. Maybe I'll calm down by the time this thread gets to page 62 or so. Relax, it's just a thread ... words on a page. Laughing at absurdity helps remarkably. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jan van Eck + 7,558 MG January 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said: Oh we're going there. Maybe I'll calm down by the time this thread gets to page 62 or so. No chance on that! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 4, 2019 On 12/28/2018 at 11:46 PM, Tom Kirkman said: Near as I can tell, the EU leadership are simply going to disregard the yellow jacket protests and carry on with the globalist agenda, where individual countries are viewed as bad. Recall Macron's speech on the world stage last month: In a solemn address, Mr Macron said: “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism: nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism.” Seems like EU leadership will simply ignore both French yellow jacket protestors and now also ignore Macron - since EU leadership elite apparently consider that Macron has "lost authority" by giving in to some of the protestors demands. The disintigration and subsequent Borgification of individual countries into a globalist entity will continue as planned. Brussels / U.N. Uber Alles, with pesky individual nations expected to get back with the program. Although Spring may see a renewed fervor of fresh protests in France, Italy, and probably a few other restless EU countries when the weather warms up again. The EU HAS TO ignore the yellow jacket movement. This is french domestic policy and therefore outside EU remit. I think we covered already that the yellow jacket movement was about people complaining over their living conditions more so than anything else. if you would have bother to research the French budget and general conditions in France you would know that France has something like a 32 hour work week, generous welfare etc. And a lot of the demands are actually focused on keeping these benefit - i.e socialist leaning Interesting that a gung ho capitalist agree with a socialist inspired movement just because a headline says it is anti-immigration and anti-EU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: Interesting that a gung ho capitalist agree with a socialist inspired movement just because a headline says it is anti-immigration and anti-EU I tend to see the yellow jackets more as anti-globalist and pro-nationalist. Macron is apparently one of the current, vocal mouthpieces for the destruction of nationalism within the EU and a proponent of the Globalism / UN Uber Alles faction with EU leaders. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: I tend to see the yellow jackets more as anti-globalist and pro-nationalist. But look at their demands: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/a3rrj9/list_of_the_demands_of_the_yellow_jackets_thoughts/ examples: - higher minimum wage - retirement age 60 and rigth to retirement from 55 - Large corporations (McDonald's, Google, Amazon, Carrefour ...) pay big [taxes], small businesses (artisans, SMEs) pay small [taxes]. - Rent control. More low-rent housing (especially for students and precarious workers). - Immediate closure of private trains, post offices, schools and maternity homes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 4, 2019 Noted. I still view the bigger picture of the yellow jacket protests as a French pushback against enforced globalism (including enforced immigration). Note also that I view the massive surge of primarily economic migrants from Africa to EU mostly as human trafficking. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaycee + 348 jc January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: But look at their demands: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/a3rrj9/list_of_the_demands_of_the_yellow_jackets_thoughts/ examples: - higher minimum wage - retirement age 60 and rigth to retirement from 55 - Large corporations (McDonald's, Google, Amazon, Carrefour ...) pay big [taxes], small businesses (artisans, SMEs) pay small [taxes]. - Rent control. More low-rent housing (especially for students and precarious workers). - Immediate closure of private trains, post offices, schools and maternity homes. who wrote the list there is no spokesperson for the organisation I have seen many sometimes conflicting lists. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 4, 2019 41 minutes ago, jaycee said: who wrote the list there is no spokesperson for the organisation I have seen many sometimes conflicting lists. Not sure who wrote it. I was just trying to illustrate that "leftie inspiration" in the yellow jacket demands. And I find it amusing that a gung ho capitalist like @Tom Kirkman is willing to completely ignore this because he can see anti-EU / immigration statements. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Tom Kirkman said: Noted. I still view the bigger picture of the yellow jacket protests as a French pushback against enforced globalism (including enforced immigration). Note also that I view the massive surge of primarily economic migrants from Africa to EU mostly as human trafficking. Fair enough. I just point out that there is no denying that there are leftie demands in the yellow jacket movement that you seem to like. I am not sure what you mean with enforced immigration. Agree on the human trafficking. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: I am not sure what you mean with enforced immigration. EU leaders in Brussels are demanding that assorted EU countries such as Italy, Spain, France, Poland, etc must accept hundreds of thousands of economic migrants, mostly from Africa. The migrants are generally not assimilating, and are instead provided welfare handouts funded by citizens. I have nothing against legal migration. I migrated to Malaysia over 15 years ago, went through the whole legal process. Sending unending boatloads of illegal economic migrants into the EU using human trafficking networks (urged by the UN) is going to continue to cause increasing amounts of problems. The economic migrants simply are not integrating into EU cultures. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: EU leaders in Brussels are demanding that assorted EU countries such as Italy, Spain, France, Poland, etc must accept hundreds of thousands of economic migrants, mostly from Africa. Are they? Please could you back this up and provide details. I know this topic quite well and I do not know of any legislation that EU can use to force member to accept migrants. I would to know if such legislation exist. I think I know the core issue, but if it is what I believe than you are far off or deliberately taking things out of context... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kit Moore + 50 KM January 4, 2019 Hi @Rasmus Jorgensen, this article may help and confirms mandatory quotas were introduced. I'm not at my desk for much longer and unfortunately won't have time to look up the actual legislative text: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/11/eu-may-scrap-refugee-quota-scheme-donald-tusk and a slightly later article - https://www.euronews.com/2018/01/25/eu-seeks-compromise-on-migrant-quotas I am based in the UK and there has been "unrest" regarding immigration, which was expressed in the Brexit result. Albeit not the entire reason for the result, but it did factor highly in the decision. I myself have no problem with immigration - but completely uncontrolled, and forced to accept quotas of migrants (both economic and refugees) is unrealistic and that I do not support. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 4, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 4:16 AM, Rasmus Jorgensen said: last comment then I will ditch the WW2 topic. For starters it migth interest you that my grandfather, albeit not a key person, actually worked with the resistance and helped Jews into Neutral Sweden. Anyways, I never claimed that the Nazies were lefties. In fact I said that they were definetly NOT lefties. And I backed this up by saying that "mein Kampf" was loaded with anti-communist statements. I further encouraged you to back your claim up as this well documented history and therefore easy to do (i.e. I encouraged you to prove me wrong using REAL facts. If you present REAL facts I will accept them and publicly declare that you are rigth). However, you opted not to so. Hey, why should you; afterall your opinion is Gospel. Can't believe we are still talking about this. Fine, you have your opinion. My opinion is that the NAZI's and the Communists, and for that matter, the Socialists, are all LEFT-wing competitors of each other. They are NOT RIGHT-wing. The right-wing in Germany back then could be best represented by the gentlemen who pulled off Operation Valkyrie. Have a nice day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 4, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 6:24 AM, Tom Kirkman said: Alrighty then, here we go. This should fail spectacularly. ● What new taxes will fund all this? ● On Drudge Report: THE 'GREEN NEW DEAL': A MANDATE FOR GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF AMERICAN SOCIETY None. She is an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 4, 2019 14 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: The EU HAS TO ignore the yellow jacket movement. This is french domestic policy and therefore outside EU remit. I think we covered already that the yellow jacket movement was about people complaining over their living conditions more so than anything else. No, you covered it that way, most everyone else, and the media, say it is mostly about the cost of immigration, and how that cost is imposed on the native French by the Globalist EU and French governments. The tax that was revoked was just one symptom, not the disease. The disease continues. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: Are they? Please could you back this up and provide details. I know this topic quite well and I do not know of any legislation that EU can use to force member to accept migrants. I would to know if such legislation exist. I think I know the core issue, but if it is what I believe than you are far off or deliberately taking things out of context... Yes, they are. The EU has threatened Poland, Hungary, and several others about it because they refuse to take them. And no, i am not going to do your research for you. Read what your own left-wing media says about it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red + 252 RK January 5, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Illurion said: No, you covered it that way, most everyone else, and the media, say it is mostly about the cost of immigration, and how that cost is imposed on the native French by the Globalist EU and French governments. Rasmus and I must be unlucky. I read many reports, articles and analyses about this issue and there were a myriad of issues at play. On point, it seemed very few made climate change a "headline", rather than immigration. I am probably doubly unlucky because I get news feeds from the ABC and the BBC and these media outlets as rule need to be able to justify that what was reported can be verified, as distinct from simply made up in order to occupy time or space. Edited January 5, 2019 by Red Added a few extra web links Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 5, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Red said: I get news feeds from the ABC and the BBC and these media outlets as rule need to be able to justify that what was reported can be verified, as distinct from simply made up in order to occupy time or space. Don't make me laugh. ABC and the BBC are among the most left-wing, lying, fake-news outlets that exist. Right up there with CNN. If you really want to watch an honest American tv network, there is ONLY ONE that is worth watching. OAN - One America News Edited January 5, 2019 by Illurion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red + 252 RK January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Illurion said: Don't make me laugh. ABC and the BBC are among the most left-wing, lying, fake-news outlets that exist. Right up there with CNN. Interesting as both are presently responsive to governments which lean to the right, and both operate to a charter. So if they are not satisfying their charter, then their stories would be "pulled" and strong action would be taken. That indicates to me that you do not know much about the media and just make up stuff because you can - and I do notice you are good at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 5, 2019 Just now, Red said: Interesting as both are presently responsive to governments which lean to the right, and both operate to a charter. So if they are not satisfying their charter, then their stories would be "pulled" and strong action would be taken. That indicates to me that you do not know much about the media and just make up stuff because you can - and I do notice you are good at it. You are exactly correct. Their stories should be pulled. However, the FCC no longer has any teeth in that regard. When Bill Clinton was in office, the media were his "facilitators" and always took his side (like they did for Obama), however, the rules at the time allowed for local viewers to actually go to a local station, and give a 30 second on-air "response" to whatever the local station had said about an incident. ( i did several of those. ) So Clinton had the rules changed. No more "on-air citizen responses." Clinton also had FCC rules watered down in reference to complaints about TV stations. You can complain about a station all you want. Nothing happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red + 252 RK January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Illurion said: You are exactly correct. Their stories should be pulled. ..... You can complain about a station all you want. Nothing happens. You miss the point. If the stories were "fake", they would be pulled by the ABC and the BBC. The fact is they have not been, which makes your claims somewhat empty. Note that I made no mention of US media or any of their toothless tiger watchdogs. We have ACMA to regulate the media, and they do a fair job, but not a good job. The ABC's Media Watch watches ACMA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 5, 2019 42 minutes ago, Red said: You miss the point. If the stories were "fake", they would be pulled by the ABC and the BBC. The fact is they have not been, which makes your claims somewhat empty. Note that I made no mention of US media or any of their toothless tiger watchdogs. We have ACMA to regulate the media, and they do a fair job, but not a good job. The ABC's Media Watch watches ACMA. No, YOU miss the point. ABC and BBC know damn well that what they are showing is fake... They are totally biased, leftest, socialist, networks, and THEY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO LIE, AND "SPIN" THEIR STORIES about events to match their biased view. Go on youtube, and type in BBC FAKE, or CNN FAKE, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red + 252 RK January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Illurion said: No, YOU miss the point. Now would you like to provide evidence of your claims, otherwise it's reasonable to assume you are probably suffering delusions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Red said: Now would you like to provide evidence of your claims, otherwise it's reasonable to assume you are probably suffering delusions. As usual, no, i will not do your research for you. I told you what to search by. Have fun. And, as usual, You presented no evidence either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Most Active Members
Recently Online
Popular Members
