Rage Without Proof: Maduro Accuses U.S. Official Of Plotting Venezuela Invasion

[PavelP + 15]

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said on Wednesday, without providing evidence, that U.S. national security adviser John Bolton was leading a plan to invade the South American country, which is increasingly at odds with Washington as its socialist economy collapses. Maduro made his accusation just days after Russian bombers landed in Venezuela to carry out joint military exercises, sparking a war of words between Moscow and Washington.The White House said Russia has told the United States that the bombers will leave Venezuela on Friday. “Mr. John Bolton has been assigned, once again, as the chief of a plot to fill Venezuela with violence and to seek a foreign military intervention,” Maduro told a news conference, adding that Bolton was coordinating the training of mercenaries in military bases in Colombia and the United States.

[pinto + 293]

The usual...from time to time Maduro's going with this vocabulary...This shouldn't even be catalogued as 'news'

[50 shades of black + 254]

Maduro and brainless zombies in his admin. destroyed oil industry, Venezuelans people and natural resources. Now Russia deploys nuclear planes in Venezuela...

[ThunderBlade + 231]

So, Russian influence are spreading.  In March 2019 will be held a high-level meeting in Moscow, which will address all areas of development and allow projects for Venezuela /Russia strategic cooperation and relationship, towards the 2019-2025 period.

[Auson + 123]

17 minutes ago, PavelP said:

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said on Wednesday, without providing evidence, that U.S. national security adviser John Bolton was leading a plan to invade the South American country, which is increasingly at odds with Washington as its socialist economy collapses. Maduro made his accusation just days after Russian bombers landed in Venezuela to carry out joint military exercises, sparking a war of words between Moscow and Washington.The White House said Russia has told the United States that the bombers will leave Venezuela on Friday. “Mr. John Bolton has been assigned, once again, as the chief of a plot to fill Venezuela with violence and to seek a foreign military intervention,” Maduro told a news conference, adding that Bolton was coordinating the training of mercenaries in military bases in Colombia and the United States.

Not sure where he might have got that idea but someone did mention it on here yesterday. Hope Maduros not been reading the forum.

Hey Maduro .. FEED YOUR PEOPLE YOU CLOWN 

[damirUSBiH + 327]

A Russian Base in LATAM! 

[PavelP + 15]

11 minutes ago, Auson said:

Not sure where he might have got that idea but someone did mention it on here yesterday. Hope Maduros not been reading the forum.

Hey Maduro .. FEED YOUR PEOPLE YOU CLOWN 

I found news today...In any case, everything about Maduro is pretty much same...Regime and robbery

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

The Guardian (UK)  :

Nicolás Maduro accuses White House of direct role in assassination attempt

Venezuela’s embattled president, Nicolás Maduro, has accused the White House of playing a direct role in an attempt to assassinate him and claimed “ultra-right locos” within Brazil’s incoming government were plotting to invade his country.

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42 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

The Guardian (UK)  :

Nicolás Maduro accuses White House of direct role in assassination attempt

Venezuela’s embattled president, Nicolás Maduro, has accused the White House of playing a direct role in an attempt to assassinate him and claimed “ultra-right locos” within Brazil’s incoming government were plotting to invade his country.

The various Latin countries should depose him, and we should enable them ASAP. Give Putin a response to his aggression. 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

Actually, Maduro is likely not that far off.  John Bolton would be the logical candidate to organize the overthrow of the Maduro regime.  And to think that the project (of overthrow) is not being actively discussed in Washington would be naive.  Of course it is. 

Yet I rather doubt that any of the discussions go so far as to design a plan to kill Maduro.  Whatever his failings, and they are legion, Maduro is not Osama bin Laden, and there is no active proposal to kill him.  That said, there are not going to be tears shed in Washington when the locals grab Maduro and string him up by the neck from some lamppost - which I predict will be his ultimate fate, and he knows that, if Maduro does not manage to flee to Cuba in the nick of time. 

Brasil may well take over some swath of the Southern Border area of Venezuela, if only to establish semi-permanent refugee camps there.  I don't see Brasil doing an outfight invasion beyond that, as the logistics are poor; the Amazon sits in the way, and keeping an invasion army supplied would likely be beyond their capabilities.  

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

6 hours ago, Auson said:

 

Hey Maduro .. FEED YOUR PEOPLE YOU CLOWN 

The Maduro government no longer has the ability to do that. 

Unfortunately, the food-supply channels have gone over the cliff and into the abyss.  It cannot be salvaged by internal forces.  The major driver for the inability is the hyper-inflation, which is now at about 1.4 million percent. In math terms:

If we start at a certain value for the consumer price index CPI0 and apply a constant annual inflation factor f (which is just the annual inflation rate expressed in decimals plus one), the CPI would grow exponentially according to this formula:

CPIn = CPI0 · f n

where CPIn symbolizes the Consumer Price Index for year n. The prices have doubled when CPIn equals 2 · CPI0. So we get:

2 · CPI0 = CPI0 · f n

Or, after solving this equation for n:

n = ln(2) / ln(f)

with ln being the natural logarithm. 

At 1.4 million percent annual inflation rate, prices double every day.  So if one egg costs you 100 Bolivars today down at the market, it becomes 200 Bolivars tomorrow, then 400 Bolivars the day after tomorrow.  After 64 days,  it is billions of Bolivars.  The actual numbers become meaningless. The point is that it cannot be done.  The market mechanism has collapsed. 

When dealing with collapsed markets, there is only one solution:  bring in a new currency from outside, with a benchmark value that is stable.  The US Dollar is the only logical option. 

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

I've said this before : All they Soybean farmers needs a new market + Trump would make serious friends in Europe if he pulled this off.

Sticking it doubly to China (and Russia to a lesser extent).

Edited December 13, 2018 by Rasmus Jorgensen

[Auson + 123]

7 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

The Maduro government no longer has the ability to do that. 

Unfortunately, the food-supply channels have gone over the cliff and into the abyss.  It cannot be salvaged by internal forces.  The major driver for the inability is the hyper-inflation, which is now at about 1.4 million percent. In math terms:

If we start at a certain value for the consumer price index CPI0 and apply a constant annual inflation factor f (which is just the annual inflation rate expressed in decimals plus one), the CPI would grow exponentially according to this formula:

CPIn = CPI0 · f n

where CPIn symbolizes the Consumer Price Index for year n. The prices have doubled when CPIn equals 2 · CPI0. So we get:

2 · CPI0 = CPI0 · f n

Or, after solving this equation for n:

n = ln(2) / ln(f)

with ln being the natural logarithm. 

At 1.4 million percent annual inflation rate, prices double every day.  So if one egg costs you 100 Bolivars today down at the market, it becomes 200 Bolivars tomorrow, then 400 Bolivars the day after tomorrow.  After 64 days,  it is billions of Bolivars.  The actual numbers become meaningless. The point is that it cannot be done.  The market mechanism has collapsed. 

When dealing with collapsed markets, there is only one solution:  bring in a new currency from outside, with a benchmark value that is stable.  The US Dollar is the only logical option. 

I don't care if they bring in bitcoin something needs to be done. Maduro needs to accept some international help.

Regarding mtthebolds ' they brought it on themselves' the last time I checked children can't vote so how can they be responsible ?

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

13 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

The Guardian (UK)  :

Nicolás Maduro accuses White House of direct role in assassination attempt

Venezuela’s embattled president, Nicolás Maduro, has accused the White House of playing a direct role in an attempt to assassinate him and claimed “ultra-right locos” within Brazil’s incoming government were plotting to invade his country.

He'd better keep a closer watch on what plans Russia has for him and his regime.  I'll bet Vlad would even treat the people better and get business going again.  But Maduro, he may have reached his expiry date by the time Vlad signs the documents handing over all of their resources, er, I mean bailing them out.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

12 hours ago, ronwagn said:

The various Latin countries should depose him, and we should enable them ASAP. Give Putin a response to his aggression. 

I think that is good advice.  Somebody better step up or else Mr. Putin will take the task of winning hearts and minds seriously.  Starving people, when fed and given a way to make a living, don't have to love their leader (evidence everywhere in the world).

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

9 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Actually, Maduro is likely not that far off.  John Bolton would be the logical candidate to organize the overthrow of the Maduro regime.  And to think that the project (of overthrow) is not being actively discussed in Washington would be naive.  Of course it is. 

Yet I rather doubt that any of the discussions go so far as to design a plan to kill Maduro.  Whatever his failings, and they are legion, Maduro is not Osama bin Laden, and there is no active proposal to kill him.  That said, there are not going to be tears shed in Washington when the locals grab Maduro and string him up by the neck from some lamppost - which I predict will be his ultimate fate, and he knows that, if Maduro does not manage to flee to Cuba in the nick of time. 

Brasil may well take over some swath of the Southern Border area of Venezuela, if only to establish semi-permanent refugee camps there.  I don't see Brasil doing an outfight invasion beyond that, as the logistics are poor; the Amazon sits in the way, and keeping an invasion army supplied would likely be beyond their capabilities.  

The plans have been drawn up long ago and are only in need of tweeking week by week.  While the U.S. might not sanction his killing, the Blackxxxxx (take your pick) contractors have been known to send stray bullets in every direction.  Palaces and government compounds seem to also attract a heavy percentage of stray ammunition.  Nah!  Who am I kidding?

[Illurion + 894]

5 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

I think that is good advice.  Somebody better step up or else Mr. Putin will take the task of winning hearts and minds seriously.  Starving people, when fed and given a way to make a living, don't have to love their leader (evidence everywhere in the world).

As i mentioned a few days ago,  i have friends in Caracas.

I haven't heard from them in several months.

In their last email,  they stated that things were very bad,  and that everyone wanted the government to be overthrown.   Power was intermittent,  and food was scarce,  and rationed.   But they are unarmed,  and have no ability to do anything against their government.   

She said they are waiting.

She said they hoped that someone,  preferably the Americans would come rescue them,  but then she said she would be just as happy if it were the Brazilians.

I have heard nothing since.

Maduro is desperate for help from anyone but the USA.   The Colombian and Brazilian governments are conservative now,  and will not help him.  So he has reached out to the Chinese,  and now the Russians.

The collapse of his government is inevitable in my view,  and the best way for it to happen is for him to be assassinated by his own military.

That way,  no other governments are involved.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

3 hours ago, Illurion said:

As i mentioned a few days ago,  i have friends in Caracas.

I haven't heard from them in several months.

In their last email,  they stated that things were very bad,  and that everyone wanted the government to be overthrown.   Power was intermittent,  and food was scarce,  and rationed.   But they are unarmed,  and have no ability to do anything against their government.   

She said they are waiting.

She said they hoped that someone,  preferably the Americans would come rescue them,  but then she said she would be just as happy if it were the Brazilians.

I have heard nothing since.

Maduro is desperate for help from anyone but the USA.   The Colombian and Brazilian governments are conservative now,  and will not help him.  So he has reached out to the Chinese,  and now the Russians.

The collapse of his government is inevitable in my view,  and the best way for it to happen is for him to be assassinated by his own military.

That way,  no other governments are involved.

The patriotic military leaders have already been purged. Guns must be supplied to the opposition and then an attack on the entire regime shortly thereafter. The military leaders supporting Maduro must be eliminated one way or another. The troops will side with the people. Food should be supplied immediately afterward and the shadow government installed. I have a feeling this is all in the works. If we wait too long Russia and Cuba will entrench themselves.

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

The patriotic military leaders have already been purged. Guns must be supplied to the opposition and then an attack on the entire regime shortly thereafter. The military leaders supporting Maduro must be eliminated one way or another. The troops will side with the people. Food should be supplied immediately afterward and the shadow government installed. I have a feeling this is all in the works. If we wait too long Russia and Cuba will entrench themselves.

there are few of the military top ranks who are being enriched and close to Maduro and Diosdado Cabello but the rest is suffering a lot just like normal people is and are recurring to criminal acts. Don't count on the opposition anymore they are just a bunch of opportunists and this is why i think Washington hasnt decided to push for a final move since there is no decent alternative a clean alternative that represents a break from all what it means chavismo madurismo revolution and bolivarianism. And Russia China wont intervene they are just worried about their investments. Period. They dont have the best views of Maduro as far as I have come to realise after talks with some russians and chinese contacts in the oil and military industrial sector of the companies doing businesses with the venezuelan government. At least they respected Chavez more but not so Maduro. 2019 will be a defining moment for Venezuela and Washington could have a final say in this. 

[Illurion + 894]

1 hour ago, jose chalhoub said:

there are few of the military top ranks who are being enriched and close to Maduro and Diosdado Cabello but the rest is suffering a lot just like normal people is and are recurring to criminal acts. Don't count on the opposition anymore they are just a bunch of opportunists and this is why i think Washington hasnt decided to push for a final move since there is no decent alternative a clean alternative that represents a break from all what it means chavismo madurismo revolution and bolivarianism. And Russia China wont intervene they are just worried about their investments. Period. They dont have the best views of Maduro as far as I have come to realise after talks with some russians and chinese contacts in the oil and military industrial sector of the companies doing businesses with the venezuelan government. At least they respected Chavez more but not so Maduro. 2019 will be a defining moment for Venezuela and Washington could have a final say in this. 

I was watching a youtube video from Venezuela the other day,  when an idea occurred to me.    A scenario that i had never considered before.

This is going to sound strange,  and almost certainly would not occur. 

But it could work. 

And it WOULD probably work,  as there would be no one in a position to stop it.

The idea comes in several separate pieces,  that i will later link together.

(1)   Venezuela is in a mess because of what Chavez started,  and Maduro continued.   The breaking of contracts,  and the nationalization of oil facilities that belonged to foreign nationals, and international oil conglomerates.   NO ONE TRUSTS VENEZUELA ANY MORE,  AND WILL NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM.  Because of this,  the OIL Facilities in particular are in massive disrepair,  and there is no money to fix them.

The result is that Venezuela is no longer able to produce and sell as much oil overseas as they once could,  and since the economy is massively dependent on oil revenue,  the entire country is in decline.

Nonetheless,  Venezuela blames everything on the United States.

(2)   Iran was once a huge oil producer,  but after the Shah was overthrown,  and the nations oil facilities were nationalized by the new Islamic government,   the economy went into decline.   That same government began to send terrorist teams overseas,  and began funding terrorist organizations around the world.  Because of these activities,  (not to mention the seizure of our embassy) and others,  the United States long ago sanctioned Iran in many ways.   What little money Iran DID make,  it wasted on sponsoring overseas terrorist activities,  and it's continued attempt to construct Nuclear Weapons and intercontinental missiles to carry them.

Now that Trump has reinstated,  and increased the sanctions that Obama had temporarily removed,   Iran is in a dire situation as regards WHO it can sell oil to,  and HOW MUCH oil it can sell.

Naturally,   Iran takes no responsibility for the situation it finds itself in,  and blames everything on the United States.

(3)   So both Venezuela and Iran are in a very similar situation,  for very similar reasons.    But at OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE OIL PRODUCTION PROCESS...     

(4)   Iran has excellent facilities that can produce far more oil than they are allowed to sell because of sanctions and the embargo.   

(5)   Venezuela has no sanctions or embargoes against it,  but is unable to produce much oil because it cannot repair it's oil facilities.

................

here is the idea that occurred to me.   

WHAT IF VENEZUELA AND IRAN GOT TOGETHER,  AND COMBINED THEIR FORCES ?

...............

With what money they have left,  Iran would provide the engineers and materials necessary to get the Venezuelan oil facilities back in operation,   AND THE TWO COUNTRIES WOULD SELL THE VENEZUELAN OIL,  AND SPLIT THE PROFITS.

There are NO SANCTIONS against Venezuela to prevent them from selling the oil to anyone,  anywhere.

And Venezuela is temporarily the HEAD of OPEC for this term.

So IRAN would be able to make money,  and skirt sanctions,  BY HELPING PRODUCE, AND SELL VENEZUELAN OIL....!

 

I cannot see how the US,  or the UN could stop this,  and i cannot see OPEC interfering with it.

 

In fact,  the US might even let it happen as a way to help the Venezuelan and Iranian people INDIRECTLY,  by doing nothing.

 

I know.   You all will think i am crazy.  I probably am.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Illurion

[ronwagn + 6,290]

Interesting, but Russia could do the same. Neither is acceptable to America. 

[jose chalhoub + 388]

I think there are many ongoing negotiations and moves between Washington, Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Canada and the rest of the SouthAmerican countries especially the Lima Group with Russia, China and also Turkey regarding the future of Maduro in Venezuela, since now as he is standing he is surely running out of cash and many other critical elements as oil production and I dont think Russia and China will continue to pour money and massive investments as corruption continues and the lack of security continues to affect their investments even if Maduro continues to mortgage the country and offering in rebate critical assets of the nation such as gold, oil, gas, identification platforms and many others, and as Venezuela is practically isolated geographically and geopolitically speaking.

So hold on tight for next January 10th as Maduro is poised to assume his new term in the face of being a pariah state and government, as more venezuelans set to leave the country, as hyperinflation continues to rock the country. I think that the end might be near, just in need of a little push. Hope this will turn out for the best of venezuelan people, enough suffering. Yes venezuelan people deserved to live this type of situation to learn, to deepen its political culture, to develop a stronger national culture and not just think that we were drowning in a sea of oil and we were rich nothing could happen to us. Yes we needed to learn this lesson but maduro and his cronnies have just crossed a dangerous line. This has to stop now

[Lily Gonzalez + 3]

I would not be so quick to dismiss Maduro's allegations. If you look at the monumental number of executive orders by the current U.S. president, you will notice quite a bit of negative attention given to Venezuela. Plus, the Bank of England is refusing to give Maduro his gold supposedly because whoever is holding the gold doesn't believe he will use it appropriately. Lots going on down there - interesting stuff since it appears Venezuela sits on the world's largest oil reserves.

[shadowkin + 584]

On 12/12/2018 at 10:14 PM, Jan van Eck said:

The Maduro government no longer has the ability to do that. 

Unfortunately, the food-supply channels have gone over the cliff and into the abyss.  It cannot be salvaged by internal forces.  The major driver for the inability is the hyper-inflation, which is now at about 1.4 million percent. In math terms:

If we start at a certain value for the consumer price index CPI0 and apply a constant annual inflation factor f (which is just the annual inflation rate expressed in decimals plus one), the CPI would grow exponentially according to this formula:

CPIn = CPI0 · f n

where CPIn symbolizes the Consumer Price Index for year n. The prices have doubled when CPIn equals 2 · CPI0. So we get:

2 · CPI0 = CPI0 · f n

Or, after solving this equation for n:

n = ln(2) / ln(f)

with ln being the natural logarithm. 

At 1.4 million percent annual inflation rate, prices double every day.  So if one egg costs you 100 Bolivars today down at the market, it becomes 200 Bolivars tomorrow, then 400 Bolivars the day after tomorrow.  After 64 days,  it is billions of Bolivars.  The actual numbers become meaningless. The point is that it cannot be done.  The market mechanism has collapsed. 

When dealing with collapsed markets, there is only one solution:  bring in a new currency from outside, with a benchmark value that is stable.  The US Dollar is the only logical option. 

Your equation for inflation is wrong. Your value for n is right but it doesn’t follow from your equation. This is what happens when you copy/paste from some website and you don’t understand what it means or how to use it. Because you are mindlessly copying and don’t understand the inflation equation you get 1.4 million percent annual inflation for prices to double in a day, which is wrong. I’ll get to that in a minute.

Let’s assume your formula CPIn = CPI0 * f * n is correct, where f=1+i, i=annual inflation rate expressed in decimals so, for example, 3% is .03, and CPIn is the CPI n years from CPI0. So, if inflation doubles then CPIn = 2 * CPI0. Then 2 * CPI0 = CPI0 * f * n. You at least got that right. To solve for n in your equation you simply divide both sides by CPI0 * f to get n = 2/f.

You don’t get n = ln(2)/ln(f) from your erroneous equation, CPIn = CPI0 * f * n.

Now, to the correct inflation formula. I’ll use your notation so you don’t get confused.

CPIn = CPI0 *(1+i)^n

where the ^ symbol indicates (1+i) is being raised to a power, here n, which is time in years. 1+i in this equation is again your f. You multiplied (1+i), or f, by n instead of raising it to the nth power.

To find n when CPI doubles we have 2 * CPI0 = CPI0 * (1+i)^n. Divide both sides by CPI0 to get 2 = (1+i)^n. Now you take the natural logarithm of both sides to get ln(2) = n* ln(1+i). Divide both sides by ln(1+i) so that n = ln(2)/ln(1+i) or ln(2)/ln(f) in your notation.

The annual inflation rate required for prices to double in a day is ~7.5 * 10^111 percent, not 1.4 million or ~ 1.4 * 10^6 percent as you claim. If you understood the equation you wouldn’t have made this mistake.

At 1.4 million percent annual inflation prices would actually double in about 27 days.

I don’t know what’s worse you writing this gibberish or that some people actually liked your post. Your posts are so bad and filled with factual and logical errors, I’ve already destroyed a few of your posts, I can only assume you are paid to troll these forums to rile people up so that they continually visit them.

[shadowkin + 584]

17 hours ago, Lily Gonzalez said:

I would not be so quick to dismiss Maduro's allegations. If you look at the monumental number of executive orders by the current U.S. president, you will notice quite a bit of negative attention given to Venezuela. Plus, the Bank of England is refusing to give Maduro his gold supposedly because whoever is holding the gold doesn't believe he will use it appropriately. Lots going on down there - interesting stuff since it appears Venezuela sits on the world's largest oil reserves.

Not 5 months ago he wanted the FBI to assist in an investigation into an alleged drone assassination attempt on his life. The US doesn't need to plot an invasion to "fill Venezuela with violence" or to destroy it. Maduro is doing that more effectively than any outsider could ever do.

Edited December 16, 2018 by shadowkin