Venezuela Warship invaded Guyana coastal waters to order permitted EXXON Mobil oil ship to leave

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https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/12/24/venezuela-invades-guyana-block-exxon-mobil-oil-exploration/

 

I wonder what country will end up using their warships to protect the exploration ships when they return.

Will Maduro end up getting his ship sunk next time ?

[Karl V + 33]

No . Nothing will be actively sunk . No war will be declared for economic zones .

 

Business as usual , Guayana will report "Jesus" Maduro to the United Nations Empire , but not because Maduro is not capable to feed the Venezuelan population with words of god , but because he is a robber .

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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be bringing this latest act of illegality and blatant disrespect for Guyana’s sovereignty by Venezuela to the attention of the United Nations.

https://dpi.gov.gy/statement-on-the-interception-of-the-ramform-tethys-by-venezuelan-navy/

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14 minutes ago, Karl V said:

No . Nothing will be actively sunk . No war will be declared for economic zones .

https://dpi.gov.gy/statement-on-the-interception-of-the-ramform-tethys-by-venezuelan-navy/

I don't know.

If i was Guyana,  i would definitely do something to protect the ships.

Guyana is no doubt expecting to receive a large share of money for the future oil produced in the area.

That is something to fight for.   

The alternative,  to do nothing,   is to essentially CEDE the area,  AND THE MONEY,   back to Venezuela.

I can't see Guyana doing that either.

So if there is a fight when the ships return,  and Maduro's ship is sunk,   wouldn't the loss of the crew be another "last straw" that broke the camels back type situation.

ie:  Will his military take Maduro out then ?

[Karl V + 33]

Venezuela has interior troubles , and a war could temporarily unite the country .

Guyana would not have much chance to protect itself . 

Somewhere else you used the word  "greed" in a negative way . Guyana could be considered faster greedy .

It appears , the economic zone is disputed by Venezuela .

If your neighbour would claim squareyards of your property , and install oil pumping devices on that , would you "laissez faire" ?

The dispute needs as of today settled by international courts like Den Hague , it is not like pre-20th century anymore .

The exploration company knew of the disputed situation , and asked only Guyana for allowance to send their ship into these waters , now they know more or are "wiser" .

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3 hours ago, Karl V said:

The dispute needs as of today settled by international courts like Den Hague , it is not like pre-20th century anymore .

It HAS been settled for over 100 years.

Venezuela signed a document advising that the land and waters belong to Guyana.

The United Nations has already reviewed the issue & sided with Guyana.

So there is no REAL dispute,  there is only Venezuela breaking international law by invading it's neighbors territory.

YOUR WORD IS YOUR WORD...  A CONTRACT IS A CONTRACT... A TREATY IS A TREATY...

Chavez,  and now Maduro,  arbitrarily pretending they can nullify international treaties,  and nationalizing (stealing) land and foreign company assets,  is the reason that Venezuela is bankrupt.

IF YOUR WORD IS NO GOOD... NO ONE WILL DO BUSINESS WITH YOU...

This latest attempt to steal Guyana property is not going to end well for Venezuela...

 

There was a similar situation with Cuba and the USA over Gitmo.   

The USA has had the land under lease since approx 1902 with no fixed expiration date per a contracted treaty that put the USA's continued yearly lease of the land in the Cuban Constitution.

The Treaty / Contract says so long as the USA wants to stay,  they can.   

When Castro took over Cuba,  in 1959,  he removed the lease from the Cuban Constitution, and tried to cancel the lease, and kick the USA out.

The USA says a contract is a contract,  and is still there.

[Karl V + 33]

This is what Wikipedia says :

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The status of the territory is subject to the Treaty of Geneva, which was signed by the United Kingdom, Venezuela and British Guiana on February 17, 1966. This treaty stipulates that the parties will agree to find a practical, peaceful and satisfactory solution to the dispute.^[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba

 

Wikipeda says the Venezuelan Military has around 500 thousand personnel .

For comparison : Western Germany had until the year 1989 around 495 thousand soldiers under arms , with a population of 64 million , twice as many , as Venezuela is said to have today . Current German territory is around 2.5 times less in squaremiles , than that of Venezuela , with less jungle .

 

Saddam Hussein is said to have had also around 500 thousands of armed men , at a population of just 22 million , when the First Gulf War broke out . But Saddam invaded Kuwait that time , and Bush Senjor had the UN behind him , operating mainly onshore from supporting Arab countries . As long as Venezuela is just a threat to itself , there will be no war . This country is a bit larger , than Panama , and would require a lot more naval logistics , than these Carrabean islands and Central American mini-nations . 

 

But, of course, Trump could change his mind, and try to become a good-doer, who frees the Venezuelan people from non-functioning Communism, with all the troubles afterwards, that high drug and crime rate countries will provide. The Venezuelan Public Service will be the same then, just the government would change .

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5 hours ago, Karl V said:

This is what Wikipedia says :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba

 

Wikipeda says the Venezuelan Military has around 500 thousand personnel .

For comparison : Western Germany had until the year 1989 around 495 thousand soldiers under arms , with a population of 64 million , twice as many , as Venezuela is said to have today . Current German territory is around 2.5 times less in squaremiles , than that of Venezuela , with less jungle .

 

Saddam Hussein is said to have had also around 500 thousands of armed men , at a population of just 22 million , when the First Gulf War broke out . But Saddam invaded Kuwait that time , and Bush Senjor had the UN behind him , operating mainly onshore from supporting Arab countries . As long as Venezuela is just a threat to itself , there will be no war . This country is a bit larger , than Panama , and would require a lot more naval logistics , than these Carrabean islands and Central American mini-nations . 

 

But, of course, Trump could change his mind, and try to become a good-doer, who frees the Venezuelan people from non-functioning Communism, with all the troubles afterwards, that high drug and crime rate countries will provide. The Venezuelan Public Service will be the same then, just the government would change .

i am confused.

i have read what you wrote,  but i have no idea what it is you are trying to say.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-pdvsa-military-specialrepor/special-report-oil-output-goes-awol-in-venezuela-as-soldiers-run-pdvsa-idUSKCN1OP0RZ

So the oil minister from the Venezuelan national guard has been appointed oil minister and head of Pdvsa and is asking god to increase oil output this summer? LMOA, what an idiot..... Wonder how that's going for them

https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/South-America/Venezuela-A-Real-Threat-To-Guyanas-Oil-Boom.html

But here with the warships shooing exploration ships away in waters NO LONGER under question as to who owns them, and it the US government that is at fault here, right?

These guys are losing it, I mean really losing it. How much longer before shippers just won't go to Venezuela any more because of the horrid conditions in the ports and with the equipment. I wouldn't send a ship there now until things get back into operational condition, and there are no soldiers with guns allowed on the ships either. Basic safety for the crews and ship's equipment here...