Adam Varga + 123 AV December 27, 2018 One of largest Chines brands, Great Wall Motor is launching its new flagship vehicle under its new ‘ORA’ electric car brand: the ORA R1. This car is equipped with a 33 kWh battery pack for a range of up to 194 miles and will cost only $8,680 after incentives. It is still only available in China. https://www.formacar.com/en/news/view/11648.html 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG December 29, 2018 Cool. I really would like to buy an EV, but they are all so expensive. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jan van Eck + 7,558 MG December 29, 2018 It should be kept in mind that that car could never be sold in the USA, nor even imported by a private individual and operated on US roads. It would not appear to meet any of the US safety requirements in US Regulations. It has no crash-worthiness, probably no seat belts, likely no laminated safety glass (it might have European-style tempered glass), who knows what the braking system looks like, and so forth. It is a primitive car, built for sale in a primitive society. 2 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 December 29, 2018 31 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said: It is a primitive car, built for sale in a primitive society... ...that cares not one iota for individual safeties. 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG December 29, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said: It should be kept in mind that that car could never be sold in the USA, nor even imported by a private individual and operated on US roads. It would not appear to meet any of the US safety requirements in US Regulations. It has no crash-worthiness, probably no seat belts, likely no laminated safety glass (it might have European-style tempered glass), who knows what the braking system looks like, and so forth. It is a primitive car, built for sale in a primitive society. So you are saying it is like an old YUGO like "rolling coffin". Sad, i would really like a cheap electric car, but i do not want it to be too small. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG December 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said: ...that cares not one iota for individual safeties. Probably true. I read where the atmospheric smog in many industrialized Chinese cities is very bad. They rushed head on into massive industrialization and manufacturing after they were admitted to the IMF. Now they are stuck with what they have done. ps: there was an old Beverly Hillbillies episode where a conman convinced Uncle Jed to contribute millions to building a "HUGE FAN" on the hills overlooking Los Angeles to "blow all the smog out to sea". Maybe the Chinese can build their own "fan". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 December 29, 2018 30 minutes ago, Illurion said: I read where the atmospheric smog in many industrialized Chinese cities is very bad. The understatement of the year! Smog in China 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 December 29, 2018 China must reduce its coal use but electric cars will not help much. They need natural gas badly. See Worldwide Air Pollution https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwglGIAHP9lCTGgmUxz7sD5l1qUQqN3o0IwwXsqAb1U/edit 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DA? + 301 jh December 31, 2018 On 12/29/2018 at 7:06 PM, Jan van Eck said: It should be kept in mind that that car could never be sold in the USA, nor even imported by a private individual and operated on US roads. It would not appear to meet any of the US safety requirements in US Regulations. It has no crash-worthiness, probably no seat belts, likely no laminated safety glass (it might have European-style tempered glass), who knows what the braking system looks like, and so forth. It is a primitive car, built for sale in a primitive society. Sometimes the USA produces vehicles that have very questionable safety the new Jeep Gladiator, one star crash rating. Some would say a primitive vehicle for a primitive society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Refman + 207 GN December 31, 2018 (edited) On 12/27/2018 at 1:43 PM, Adam Varga said: One of largest Chines brands, Great Wall Motor is launching its new flagship vehicle under its new ‘ORA’ electric car brand: the ORA R1. This car is equipped with a 33 kWh battery pack for a range of up to 194 miles and will cost only $8,680 after incentives. It is still only available in China. https://www.formacar.com/en/news/view/11648.html There is no way that vehicle will get 194 miles of range with a 33 kwh battery. More likely 125-150 miles Edited December 31, 2018 by Refman 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Go Lucky + 25 December 31, 2018 There is no way that vehicle will get 194 miles of range with a 33 kwh battery. More likely 125-150 miles Probably less than that with the famous Chinese gridlock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DA? + 301 jh December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Refman said: There is no way that vehicle will get 194 miles of range with a 33 kwh battery. More likely 125-150 miles When you look at a Tesla Model 3 getting just over 4 miles per Kw/h and that's a large car, were as this will be a small city car driving for the most part relatively slowly it's not impossible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Refman + 207 GN December 31, 2018 The BMW I3 also has a 33kWh battery and only gets 115 miles of range according to the EPA cycle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danial Gable + 20 January 2, 2019 On 12/29/2018 at 2:06 PM, Jan van Eck said: It should be kept in mind that that car could never be sold in the USA, nor even imported by a private individual and operated on US roads. It would not appear to meet any of the US safety requirements in US Regulations. It has no crash-worthiness, probably no seat belts, likely no laminated safety glass (it might have European-style tempered glass), who knows what the braking system looks like, and so forth. It is a primitive car, built for sale in a primitive society. China a primitve society? are you nuts dude. im guessing yu have never been. Shanghai and shenzen are two of the most sophisticated and advanced cities on the planet.. london and new york are like dirty ponds to these cities. With close to 15 thousand kms of track laid, for trains that travel up to 300 km hr, through 100s of km of tunnels, across the worlds longest and highest bridges. China is light years ahead of USA development.The largest power plants, heavy automation. they have basically lead the Li on revolution. WE think, oh a 9000 dollar car has to be a piece, because basically thecar companies have us hardwired to think cars are 30 or 40 grand. people will buy giant suvs to commute less then 30 km per day. And then we say, well this will never work,because we drive high speeds, and alot of highway driving, so a small commuter is not pratical. very true, because we have archaic transport networks on this continent. we try to protect the usa like they are the be all end all in technology. believe me, the USA is going to learn a hard lesson this year. And china will become one stepcloser to being the planets world leader. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Refman + 207 GN January 2, 2019 China will not even have to fight to become the World's lone super power, all they have to do is watch the US drown in it's own debt. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowkin + 584 EA January 4, 2019 Sounds like Chinese snake oil. Chevrolet Bolt with 60 kWh gets 238 miles. If true there shouldn't be any reason why the Chinese couldn't almost double the size of the battery to 60 kWh and maintain that efficiency, which would mean almost 400 miles range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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