Stephen + 67 SM January 8, 2018 Opponents of TransCanada Corp’s proposed Keystone XL pipeline appealed a decision by Nebraska regulators to approve a path for the project through the state. The legal challenge throws up another obstacle to the long-delayed project, which environmentalists have made a symbol of their fight against climate change but which President Donald Trump supports as a job creator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meanwhile + 49 PT January 8, 2018 Days after a huge oil spill, Keystone XL gets final approval to build through Nebraska. Clearly there is something going on with the transport of this heavy oil from sand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen + 67 SM January 8, 2018 The pipeline failure rate and failure mechanisms are each outside the expected norms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meanwhile + 49 PT January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Stephen said: The pipeline failure rate and failure mechanisms are each outside the expected norms It’s not hard to understand that old pipelines need to be replaced by newer pipelines. But stopping them being built will only lead to more spills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnAtronis + 78 JA January 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Meanwhile said: It’s not hard to understand that old pipelines need to be replaced by newer pipelines. But stopping them being built will only lead to more spills. There are 2.4+ million miles of pipeline in the US and we've had little to no major accidents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna + 68 JT January 8, 2018 26 minutes ago, Stephen said: Opponents of TransCanada Corp’s proposed Keystone XL pipeline appealed a decision by Nebraska regulators to approve a path for the project through the state. The legal challenge throws up another obstacle to the long-delayed project, which environmentalists have made a symbol of their fight against climate change but which President Donald Trump supports as a job creator. I don't think Keystone is perfect, but it looks like it is our best option Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate Turlington + 44 KT January 8, 2018 I know Canada needs it, but does the US really need Keystone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna + 68 JT January 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, Kate Turlington said: I know Canada needs it, but does the US really need Keystone? Oil is owned by Canada and it's for overseas markets, mostly China. I am not sure I see benefit for the US Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnAtronis + 78 JA January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Joanna said: Oil is owned by Canada and it's for overseas markets, mostly China. I am not sure I see benefit for the US that oil goes to our refineries. it then becomes part of traded oil products Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna + 68 JT January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnAtronis said: that oil goes to our refineries. it then becomes part of traded oil products i think it is not worth of risk. One oil spill, like the one in North Dakota, diminishes as the benefits of it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meanwhile + 49 PT January 8, 2018 Just now, Joanna said: i think it is not worth of risk. One oil spill, like the one in North Dakota, diminishes as the benefits of it The only benefit we get is a boom in hazardous waste cleanup sector to service all the oil spills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marina Schwarz + 1,576 January 9, 2018 Alas, pipelines are the least risky way of moving crude oil and fuels. Compare a pipeline spill to a derailed oil train. Somebody did the statistics and proved it. And yet pipeline opponents seem to be much more lax towards oil trains for some unfathomable reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate Turlington + 44 KT January 26, 2018 So Nebraska has now proposed an alternative route, and TransCanada is saying it's not a big deal, which suggests they might be close to making a final investment decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rodent + 1,424 January 26, 2018 I'm all for conspiracy theories. How about this as to why the big anti-pipeline push? "Billionaires such as Warren Buffett are using secretive foundations to finance anti-pipeline protests (with help from Vladimir Putin?) – and ... quietly bought the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad and Union Tank Car manufacturing company – with no notice, dissent or interference, Morningstar observed." http://naturalgasnow.org/warren-buffett-war-on-us-pipelines-with-help-from-putin/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites