US-backed coup in Venezuela not so smooth

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1 hour ago, Zhong Lu said:

If there's one big country that hasn't started a war in the last 40 years, it's China.  

YET...

And China will be to blame when it happens........

And as is usually the case,  the USA will have to step in end it............

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On 2/13/2019 at 12:41 AM, Observatus Geopoliticus said:

According to an independent polling firm, 57% of Venezuelan say Maduro is their legitimate president, while US puppet Guaido only get 32% (11% didn't give an answer).

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/02/venezuela-57-say-maduro-is-their-legitimate-president.html

In another topic, Venezuelan has deployed Russian S300. While it would be insufficient against a massive air attack, it may cool down some spirited Dr Strangelove in the Pentagone.

http://www.chroniquesdugrandjeu.com/2019/02/quelques-mauvaises-nouvelles-pour-l-empire.html

It appears that Venezuelan Troops,  under the direct orders of "Doctor Strangelove Maduro",  fired on unarmed women and children last night as the civilians were at the border with Brazil trying to get food..........

So far there is one woman dead,  and others injured.......

here is a link:

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/horror-in-venezuela-maduro-regime-forces-fire-on-indigenous-pemones-tribesmen-seeking-aid-at-brazilian-border-video/

https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1098807110094258177/video/1

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2 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

In Venezuela, millions already have died because of a Russian-supported Maduro.  

And Russia loves fighting wars, too.  Just look at Georgia and Chechnya and Ukraine and Syria.  The only reason Russia doesn't fight as many wars as America is because Russia's economy is always cruddy.  

Both US and Russia are warmongers.  If there's one big country that hasn't started a war in the last 40 years, it's China.  

Millions have died because of Russian supported Maduro? Really? MILLIONS?

Sorry... Any source to that other than your inflammatory imagination?

[Zhong Lu + 845]

So you concede the other points?

Edited February 22, 2019 by Zhong Lu

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The idea of US invading Venezuela is way out in left field. Hopefully it will never happen because if it did it will be Vietnam 2.0. The more likely scenario will be a long drawn out campaign of covert operations and economic pressure. The outcome of which is uncertain.

[Zhong Lu + 845]

If the US invaded it'll be more like what happened to Saddam Hussein's regime.  Utter collapse of the government.  Not that it'll happen, but right now Maduro is reaching Saddam levels of popularity.  

[Observatus Geopoliticus + 96]

10 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

In Venezuela, millions already have died because of a Russian-supported Maduro.   

 

Sure, why not billions ? Even presstitue like CNN doesn't dare writing such bull....

 

9 hours ago, TXPower said:

You submit we are currently on the same path as if Russia isn’t.  Seriously?  Um, Syria.  Own that.   It’s honorable to do so and decorum demands it.  We aren’t the only death dealers.

Just an incidental remark, TX. The war in Syria started because the usual suspects (US, Saudi, Israel, Qatar and Turkey) wanted a regime change there and funded fanatical jihadists in order to overthrow Assad.

True, Assad isn't a good guy, he's a brutal dictator. But he never threatened anybody while US creatures (Al Nosra, ISIS) are the danger for the whole world.

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9 hours ago, Illurion said:

It appears that Venezuelan Troops,  under the direct orders of "Doctor Strangelove Maduro",  fired on unarmed women and children last night as the civilians were at the border with Brazil trying to get food.......... So far there is one woman dead,  and others injured.......

The Strangeloves are in Washington DC. Here's a list of the dozens of US interventions/coups/wars in Latin America alone :

http://revista.drclas.harvard.edu/book/united-states-interventions

Impressive, isn't it ? Sure some people will assure us that it all was for the sake of the local people... lol

As for the dead near the Brazilian border, there were clashes, not just soldiers shooting on unarmed children (sic). Oh by the way, the Russians have already sent humanitaria aid, but Western mass medias just boycotted the news.

3 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

If the US invaded it'll be more like what happened to Saddam Hussein's regime.  Utter collapse of the government.  Not that it'll happen, but right now Maduro is reaching Saddam levels of popularity.  

Have you ever been in Iraq ? Nope of course. I've lived there and you can find many people who say Saddam is missed, even in Kurdistan !

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11 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

In Venezuela, millions already have died because of a Russian-supported Maduro.  

And Russia loves fighting wars, too.  Just look at Georgia and Chechnya and Ukraine and Syria.  The only reason Russia doesn't fight as many wars as America is because Russia's economy is always cruddy.  

Both US and Russia are warmongers.  If there's one big country that hasn't started a war in the last 40 years, it's China.  

 

9 hours ago, TXPower said:

All true.  But stay tuned, she’s starting to project her power overtly now, primarily in her theatre of the world.  None of her neighbors can or dare to stand against her, not even the Japanese.  But once she has a real blue-water navy, that will change.  She has a 100 year plan of dominance and try as she might and patient as she is, subtlety won’t conquer the world.

Only a war on its own people killing twenty million Chinese. 

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Well, that was sixty years ago. I said forty.  

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7 hours ago, Observatus Geopoliticus said:

Sure, why not billions ? Even presstitue like CNN doesn't dare writing such bull....

 

Just an incidental remark, TX. The war in Syria started because the usual suspects (US, Saudi, Israel, Qatar and Turkey) wanted a regime change there and funded fanatical jihadists in order to overthrow Assad.

True, Assad isn't a good guy, he's a brutal dictator. But he never threatened anybody while US creatures (Al Nosra, ISIS) are the danger for the whole world.

He threatens Israel all the time.  He also bombs and threatens Syrians.  He's also sold his country to foreigners (though I don't see you complaining about that).  

Edited February 23, 2019 by Zhong Lu

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8 hours ago, Observatus Geopoliticus said:

The Strangeloves are in Washington DC. Here's a list of the dozens of US interventions/coups/wars in Latin America alone :

http://revista.drclas.harvard.edu/book/united-states-interventions

 

Impressive, isn't it ? Sure some people will assure us that it all was for the sake of the local people... lol

As for the dead near the Brazilian border, there were clashes, not just soldiers shooting on unarmed children (sic). Oh by the way, the Russians have already sent humanitaria aid, but Western mass medias just boycotted the news.

Have you ever been in Iraq ? Nope of course. I've lived there and you can find many people who say Saddam is missed, even in Kurdistan !

No one misses Saddam except those who profited from his reign. 

[Illurion + 894]

Dear  Observatus Geopoliticus:

 

Out of curiosity,  after Maduro is executed,  and Venezuela is freed,  and the economy recovers,  what cause will you talk to us about then ?

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On 2/22/2019 at 2:06 AM, TXPower said:

Well, the Russians would be experts on losing a war in Afghanistan now wouldn’t they?   I’ll take your word for it since the best metric on that front was the little foray they took there in the 70’s.

We are not going to start a war with Russia over Venezuela.  Especially over inferior military assets placed there.  I’d remind you that war between the US has been and maybe still is more likely due to a mishap in Syria.  Or somewhere else in the ME.

Russia would have to become much more provocative in Venezuela before we would start any war drums.

pardon me but........... hasn't it a common practice that we sell those outdated stocks in the store rooms to the third world countries for a couple of reasons:

1. to prevent those stocks from going on fire on their own in storage rooms (Gobachev said something about the automisfiring of stocks that happened now and then once upon a time in a book...)

2. in case we are in war........... those easily overcome machineries would need new and more advanced replacements. It's recurrent sales dear commies (friends of community)!! .............. Something not to be missed................. In case we don't go into war..... it's their responsibility to dispose them off in their lower grade military training then or no??

3..........

 

 

Edited February 23, 2019 by specinho

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6 hours ago, TXPower said:

No one misses Saddam except those who profited from his reign. 

Have you lived in Iraq ?

You would be surprised as I was by the number of people missing Saddam. I don't say it's the majority of the population, but it really is baffling when you hear Iraqi, even Kurds (!), saying that the situation was better under Saddam and that it's a pity he was toppled.

3 hours ago, Illurion said:

Out of curiosity,  after Maduro is executed,  and Venezuela is freed,  and the economy recovers,  what cause will you talk to us about then ?

At your age, still believing in Hollywood fairy tales ? The bad guy kills his own people, the US and democratic hero comes, free the people, everybody is celebrating and the economy recovers...

After hundreds of US coups/wars/destibilizations, even a 5-years old kid couldn't believe this bull....

[Observatus Geopoliticus + 96]

8 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

He threatens Israel all the time.  He also bombs and threatens Syrians.  He's also sold his country to foreigners (though I don't see you complaining about that).  

Sure, he even killed billions of people on Earth and, why not, on Jupiter...

[Observatus Geopoliticus + 96]

Latest developments :

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-23/venezuela-border-tensions-soar-guaido-mounts-aid-convoy-attempt-cross-blocked

[Zhong Lu + 845]

So the country is starving and Maduro is burning humanitarian aid.  Kinda hard to spin that.  

[Zhong Lu + 845]

36 minutes ago, Observatus Geopoliticus said:

Have you lived in Iraq ?

You would be surprised as I was by the number of people missing Saddam. I don't say it's the majority of the population, but it really is baffling when you hear Iraqi, even Kurds (!), saying that the situation was better under Saddam and that it's a pity he was toppled.

At your age, still believing in Hollywood fairy tales ? The bad guy kills his own people, the US and democratic hero comes, free the people, everybody is celebrating and the economy recovers...

After hundreds of US coups/wars/destibilizations, even a 5-years old kid couldn't believe this bull....

Well, yes, there are millions of people living who love Hitler, too.  

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35 minutes ago, Observatus Geopoliticus said:

Have you lived in Iraq ?

You would be surprised as I was by the number of people missing Saddam. I don't say it's the majority of the population, but it really is baffling when you hear Iraqi, even Kurds (!), saying that the situation was better under Saddam and that it's a pity he was toppled.

At your age, still believing in Hollywood fairy tales ? The bad guy kills his own people, the US and democratic hero comes, free the people, everybody is celebrating and the economy recovers...

After hundreds of US coups/wars/destibilizations, even a 5-years old kid couldn't believe this bull....

Missing the stability that Saddam’s iron fist reign provided is not the same as missing Saddam.  Your right, it’s not a majority that miss him, not even close, it’s a small number that long for Saddam.  

[Zhong Lu + 845]

"Not only does Maduro starve his population, but he also likes to burn the free food given to Venezuela."  

Edited February 23, 2019 by Zhong Lu

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17 minutes ago, Zhong Lu said:

Well, yes, there are millions of people living who love Hitler, too.  

Also Mao and Stalin.

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and Trump

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9 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Well, that was sixty years ago. I said forty.  

 

 

You are correct, It is easy to forget for some. 

Death toll

Estimates of the death toll, including civilians and Red Guards, vary greatly.^[154] They range upwards to several millions, but an estimate of around 400,000 deaths is a widely accepted minimum figure, according to Maurice Meisner.^[155] MacFarquhar and Schoenhals assert that in rural China alone some 36 million people were persecuted, of whom between 750,000 and 1.5 million were killed, with roughly the same number permanently injured.^[156] In Mao: The Unknown Story, Jung Chang and Jon Halliday claim that as many as 3 million people died in the violence of the Cultural Revolution.^[157] The Holocaust memorial museum puts the death toll between 5 and 10 million.^[158] The true figure of those who were persecuted or died during the Cultural Revolution however may never be known, since many deaths went unreported or were actively covered up by the police or local authorities. The state of Chinese demographics records at the time was also very poor, and the PRC has been hesitant to allow formal research into the period.^[159]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Edited February 23, 2019 by ronwagn
added reference

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5 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

and Trump

What’s the correlation between Trump and the others mentioned in this thread?  You lumped him in with murderers and leaders who willingly withhold life sustaining necessities.  

So, putting aside the regressive leftist ideology, which I respect the right of anyone to have, and the trademark But Trump.........talking points, please provide specific examples of how you drew the parallel.