Red + 252 RK February 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: who says the planet is continuing to warm? Every climate science authority in the world says it's continuing to warm. I did post a chart earlier which shows the trend. Whether you believe it or not is not my problem. 18 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Natural variation should have it cooling? Irradiance has been on decadal level decline since the 1970s - less energy from the sun for over 40 years, but the planet keeps warming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: who says the planet is continuing to warm? The same scientists we are all suppose to believe because they say so? Natural variation should have it cooling? Prove it's not. What you feel is meaningful to me is pure garbage. Drill baby Drill. Stoke them coal plants with cheap coal. I think the world could use about 5+ degrees in the Midwest USA. Might be able to get 2 sets of corn in per season. And we here in Florida could get far more Citrus.......!!!!! We could re-plant groves back into Central and North Florida, where they haven't been for 40 years......... Because despite all this WARMING crap that RED talks about, THE FACT IS THAT THE CITRUS INDUSTRY IN FLORIDA USED TO HAVE VAST GROVES REACHING ALL THE WAY NORTH TO JACKSONVILLE........!!!!!!! Then the GLOBAL COOLING that is actually happening started, and in the GREAT 1980 FREEZE, ALL OF THE GROVES NORTH OF ORLANDO WERE FROZEN AND DESTROYED...... Now, in Florida, all of the major groves are in South Florida, from Lake Toho south......... It is too cold in Central and North Florida for Citrus now in these colder times........ 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 8 hours ago, 50 shades of black said: Everything in this one pic: deforestation, pollution, corporate greed, government corruption, climate change, depletion of resources... All bad for a sustainable environment Pretty old pictures I think. A great reason for switching to natural gas. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er February 20, 2019 Just now, Red said: Every climate science authority in the world says it's continuing to warm. I did post a chart earlier which shows the trend. Whether you believe it or not is not my problem. Irradiance has been on decadal level decline since the 1970s - less energy from the sun for over 40 years, but the planet keeps warming. Must be from all the dust storms kicking up super fine particles and rising to the outer atmosphere? Reflecting the rays back out. Might even be all the silver oxide to create rain and the Chem trails...……..guess we'll have to wait and see when we meet out maker. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red + 252 RK February 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Illurion said: In other words, you are admitting that there is NO CONSENSUS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING.... False - you consistently make claims which are not true. 12 minutes ago, Illurion said: you say THE THEORY EXISTS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER ANYONE BELIEVES IT IS CORRECT OR NOT......! False - read what I said as it is very different. At what point will you get something right? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ronwagn said: Pretty old pictures I think. A great reason for switching to natural gas. Probably not as old as you think, for one....the trucks are of the age the logging companies use cause it's rough on New trucks. Those trucks are just drag racing and pouring the coal so to speak. Loggers gotta have fun too. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Okay NickW, I read the article. The black soot out of those trucks what I as referring too doesn't fit the narrative in the pdf. Those two semi's are dumping about 4 times plus amount of fuel, we call em smokers, and is mostly unburned fuel very large particle size, obviously as you can see it. Black Carbon soot. Normal diesel trucks just running down the interstates the particulates are collected on some trucks and burned off later. Some use DEF to subdue the nitrous oxide from diesel but now they are starting to figure out it is putting out different pollutants. Hard to change internal combustion diesel without consequences. YouTube rolling coal, amusing.. Natural gas will do the job. Trucks can easily be converted. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 20, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Red said: Every climate science authority in the world says it's continuing to warm. Irradiance has been on decadal level decline since the 1970s - less energy from the sun for over 40 years, but the planet keeps warming. (1) FALSE - EVERY CLIMATE SCIENCE AUTHORITY IN THE WORLD CANNOT AGREE ON ANYTHING..... AS HAS BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED IN THE MEDIA, AND IN THE ARTICLES THAT I PRESENTED, AND THAT YOU ADMITTED THAT YOU READ JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO....... (2) TRUE - THERE HAS BEEN LESS RADIANCE FROM THE SUN FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS....... (3) FALSE - BUT THE PLANET "DOES NOT" KEEP GETTING WARMER........ MANIPULATED DATABASES ... PEOPLE WILL BE GOING TO PRISON OVER IT....... Edited February 20, 2019 by Illurion 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 9 hours ago, 50 shades of black said: Air pollution is the sixth biggest killer worldwide—more than alcohol use, kidney failure or too much salt. The cause, as we all know, is the burning of fossil fuels, which generates soot and other airborne particles that hang in the atmosphere. In a new example of the vicious cycles spun up by climate change, research from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology suggests for the first time that pollution is lingering longer over cities and summer storms are becoming more powerful. When it comes to the global warming crisis, rising seas, catastrophic flooding, devastating heatwaves and unprecedented hurricanes get all the press. The new study reveals how even the more mundane aspects of weather are being affected by man-made damage in ways likely to become—if they haven’t already—damaging to people and property. “You can connect observations that people are making on short timescales about weather phenomena to changes in the mean state of the climate,” said lead author Charles Gertler, a graduate student in MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences. “In plainer speech, it’s climate change and its fingerprint on weather events.” The study published this week in the peer-reviewed journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, also states that these weaker extratropical cyclones may be contributing to longer heat waves, too. The study is based on temperature and precipitation data going back to 1979, the beginning of satellite monitoring. Global Warming AKA Climate Change https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7YYeQTmESPhjlS_dj4zMTxWOiJhmLjxN1I_1NJcJFY/edit 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Red said: False - you consistently make claims which are not true. False - read what I said as it is very different. At what point will you get something right? LOL Wrong..... What i wrote shows exactly THE DEFINITION OF WHAT YOU WROTE means in real English...... So, do you want to try again ? WHAT IS YOUR NEW DEFINITION FOR WHAT " IRRESPECTIVE OF CONSENSUS" means...? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, ronwagn said: Natural gas will do the job. Trucks can easily be converted. But will the price be competitive to Diesel ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, ronwagn said: Global Warming AKA Climate Change https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7YYeQTmESPhjlS_dj4zMTxWOiJhmLjxN1I_1NJcJFY/edit China has really messed up their environment... Here in the USA, northern cities with steel plants used to be very polluted air, but that cleared up when the plants went overseas due to NAFTA GATT etc...... Now that steel is coming back, they are reopening plants, but using newer technology.. The USA should not have the problems we used to have, much less what China and India have..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Illurion said: But will the price be competitive to Diesel ? Much lower after the initial conversion. Other nations do the conversions for much lower prices than we do. CNG can be used on large trucks in most cases. Many prefer LNG for long range and it is still less expensive than diesel. The engines last much longer with natural gas also. Prices across the country for CNG http://www.cngprices.com/station_map.php Natural Gas Vehicles https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kM7_6rwI5iG7s1EF1RNuVmFHEGFbteRsPjjzzxx5UTA/edit Useful References for the Natural Gas Revolution https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Yf0MWpo91vrlu-mmJtjB1ERukjJo5W41oi4RZVQBug/edit http://www.ngvglobal.com/ 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Illurion said: China has really messed up their environment... Here in the USA, northern cities with steel plants used to be very polluted air, but that cleared up when the plants went overseas due to NAFTA GATT etc...... Now that steel is coming back, they are reopening plants, but using newer technology.. The USA should not have the problems we used to have, much less what China and India have..... A visit to Pittsburgh was a real eye opener. It is a very clean city now. It is also a center for natural gas production and distribution. Unfortunately, New York bans pipelines to New England so they pay more for energy. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er February 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Illurion said: But will the price be competitive to Diesel ? Natural Gas doesn't have the same power as diesel and not nearly as efficient. Not even close to same BTU's, or we'd have switched like California bus' did in the 90's. Diesel will be around for along time unless governments mandate a switch. Been trying to phase them out for some time and just getting more popular. Ford is all but shutting down car line. 2 models left. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, ronwagn said: A visit to Pittsburgh was a real eye opener. It is a very clean city now. It is also a center for natural gas production and distribution. Unfortunately, New York bans pipelines to New England so they pay more for energy. Good... New York deserves to suffer for all the problems they cause everyone else..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Probably not as old as you think, for one....the trucks are of the age the logging companies use cause it's rough on New trucks. Those trucks are just drag racing and pouring the coal so to speak. Loggers gotta have fun too. They just about run you off the road in Olympic National Park. You have to pull over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 20, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, 50 shades of black said: Air pollution is the sixth biggest killer worldwide—more than alcohol use, kidney failure or too much salt. The cause, as we all know, is the burning of fossil fuels, which generates soot and other airborne particles that hang in the atmosphere. In a new example of the vicious cycles spun up by climate change, research from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology suggests for the first time that pollution is lingering longer over cities and summer storms are becoming more powerful. When it comes to the global warming crisis, rising seas, catastrophic flooding, devastating heatwaves and unprecedented hurricanes get all the press. The new study reveals how even the more mundane aspects of weather are being affected by man-made damage in ways likely to become—if they haven’t already—damaging to people and property. “You can connect observations that people are making on short timescales about weather phenomena to changes in the mean state of the climate,” said lead author Charles Gertler, a graduate student in MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences. “In plainer speech, it’s climate change and its fingerprint on weather events.” The study published this week in the peer-reviewed journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, also states that these weaker extratropical cyclones may be contributing to longer heat waves, too. The study is based on temperature and precipitation data going back to 1979, the beginning of satellite monitoring. Despite the sufferings, deaths and warnings by experts, some section is hell bent on proving issues like Climate Change, Global warming as Hoax. Edited February 20, 2019 by Sukumar Ray 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Illurion said: China has really messed up their environment... Here in the USA, northern cities with steel plants used to be very polluted air, but that cleared up when the plants went overseas due to NAFTA GATT etc...... Now that steel is coming back, they are reopening plants, but using newer technology.. The USA should not have the problems we used to have, much less what China and India have..... India is really looking the greenest 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er February 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, Sukumar Ray said: Despite the sufferings, deaths and warnings by experts, some section is hell bent on proving issues like Climate Change, Global warming as Hoax. Who is an expert? Some government clown with a degree bought and paid for buy their said government. Global warming is a Hoax on ill informed populous that will pay extra for a car that is electric. Not realizing the amount of energy to make the car over a standard internal combustion engine is twice the amount of dangerous crap in them batteries to make em go. Then if you don't live where there is nuke for powering up you auto, you probably get the juice from coal plant. Process zero'd out. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Who is an expert? Some government clown with a degree bought and paid for buy their said government. Global warming is a Hoax on ill informed populous that will pay extra for a car that is electric. Not realizing the amount of energy to make the car over a standard internal combustion engine is twice the amount of dangerous crap in them batteries to make em go. Then if you don't live where there is nuke for powering up you auto, you probably get the juice from coal plant. Process zero'd out. Funny part is that some dull witted craps still believe that they are the only Expert and their engines will continue to ooze black smokes for ever . It is high time to switch to cleaner fuels and by 2040 , world will witness more than 80% EVs on the roads. Slowly but surely this is going to happen. NG / LNG will be dominating the market for many decades though. This is the world view . Believe it or not hardly matters. Edited February 20, 2019 by Sukumar Ray 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckskinner + 19 RW February 20, 2019 Everybody breathes one tablespoon of dust each and every day, regardless of what is in the air. If there is an oncogene in the dust you breathe, too bad, it's neoplasm time, possibly malignant. Mother Nature at work. You could close the garage door and start the engine in your car, stand there for a few minutes and determine if it is safe to breathe engine exhaust. It will have carbon monoxide emitting from the tailpipe, so there is a danger of asphyxiation. If you want results that are even more effective, drive a battery-powered golf cart that can go up in smoke all by its lonesome. Gasoline in the tank will take you 300 miles easy. I had a Chevy Suburban that had a 42 gallon gas tank, one barrel. The Suburban would travel 800 miles no problem with one fill up. When it is 250 miles to the next gas stop, you'll know why there is a 42 gallon tank strapped to the frame. It comes in handy when you are in a place that is far from nowhere. It don't get no better. ICE trumps them all, hands down. There is plenty of heat ten thousand feet beneath your feet and there is oil there too. 400 million year old organic content that is being cooked into hydrocarbons has been going on for more than 400 million years. Oil and coal, fossil fuels, power civilization. Without them, it is teats up, no matter what the maha reishis say. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meredith Poor + 884 MP February 20, 2019 What a mess! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Meredith Poor said: What a mess! Yuppers, it's still winter!!! Sunny and 70 here in West Texas 🙂 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW February 20, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Illurion said: And we here in Florida could get far more Citrus.......!!!!! We could re-plant groves back into Central and North Florida, where they haven't been for 40 years......... Because despite all this WARMING crap that RED talks about, THE FACT IS THAT THE CITRUS INDUSTRY IN FLORIDA USED TO HAVE VAST GROVES REACHING ALL THE WAY NORTH TO JACKSONVILLE........!!!!!!! Then the GLOBAL COOLING that is actually happening started, and in the GREAT 1980 FREEZE, ALL OF THE GROVES NORTH OF ORLANDO WERE FROZEN AND DESTROYED...... Now, in Florida, all of the major groves are in South Florida, from Lake Toho south......... It is too cold in Central and North Florida for Citrus now in these colder times........ Meanwhile the reality Asteroid comes crashing through the roof with this😄 https://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/Florida/Publications/Citrus/Citrus_Statistics/2016-17/fcs1617.pdf 143,000 tonnes of Citrus fruit grown in North and Central Florida in 2017 which equates to 32% of Florida's Citrus production. Edited February 20, 2019 by NickW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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