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[Old-Ruffneck + 1,239]

Illinois residents could be charged $1,000 a year to own an electric vehicle under new legislation

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/illinois-1000-electric-vehicle-legislation

And gas tax under our new gov looking like 44c a gallon. Watch more exodus from this 1 of 50 states.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

"Sandoval says people who drive hybrids and plug-in electric hybrids won't have to pay the higher registration fee."

SO there is your escape hatch:  treat yourself to a "hybrid,"  or attach a small gasoline engine somewhere.  Once you have a bona-fide hybrid, then your registration drops from $1,000 back to $17.50. 

For you die-hard electric car fans, the other solution is to quietly establish some address in say Wisconsin, register it there  .  Hey, this is America:  catching before hanging!

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Illinois residents could be charged $1,000 a year to own an electric vehicle under new legislation 

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/illinois-1000-electric-vehicle-legislation

And gas tax under our new gov looking like 44c a gallon. Watch more exodus from this 1 of 50 states.

AOC prolly giddily approves of this idea of taxing both gasoline and electric cars.  Taxes Uber Alles.

Socialism: power removed from the people.

 

[Okie + 83]

1 minute ago, Tom Kirkman said:

AOC prolly giddily approves of this idea of taxing both gasoline and electric cars.  Taxes Uber Alles.

Actually, I doubt that.  It would be inconsistent with support for green energy.  But I'm sure you knew that and were just being playful.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

2 minutes ago, Okie said:

Actually, I doubt that.  It would be inconsistent with support for green energy.  But I'm sure you knew that and were just being playful.

Nope.  AOC's "Green New Deal" is 100% about politicians seizing Power, Money, and Control away from citizens.

AOC is not actually about "environment" she is simply the latest twist in the ages old game of governments taking Power, Money, and Control using hysteria tactics.

Additional taxes are simply the first step in the Authoritarian Jackboot game.

No, I'm not joking.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

1 hour ago, Okie said:

Actually, I doubt that.  It would be inconsistent with support for green energy.  But I'm sure you knew that and were just being playful.

Actually, Okie, quite a few States are having these quite serious Legislative proposals to tax both gasoline and electric cars.  The presumptive reasoning is to avoid having "free riders," those that use public infrastructure but not pay for it.  Both Vermont and Connecticut have floated such ideas in their State Legislatures.  

I don't think much of these Legislators.  The proposals are inconsistent with their stated policies.  They claim that the State will use taxation as a mechanism to modify public behavior.  The parallel is that of fining people for littering.  But when you look at the numbers, it becomes clear that the real reason is to separate the individual with that fancy electric car from some of his cash, so that the State can pay for other programs, or at least make a facial effort to deal with the exploding public-service pension debts  (which they cannot, that ship has sailed). 

[Okie + 83]

47 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

The presumptive reasoning is to avoid having "free riders," those that use public infrastructure but not pay for it. 

I am familiar with the reasoning.  But, given that gasoline taxes pay for roads, and you want to see to it that there are no free riders, it would be more consistent to create a tax that everyone pays at the same level.  The $1000.00 tax on electric cars almost always overcompensates for the lack of gasoline taxes.

Tolls also unnecessarily slows down traffic.  Therefore, it makes more sense to tax incomes and make road maintenance as part of the State's or Federal's general fund.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Okie
Added Federal

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

10 minutes ago, Okie said:

I am familiar with the reasoning.  But, given that gasoline taxes pay for roads, and you want to see to it that there are no free riders, it would be more consistent to create a tax that everyone pays at the same level.  The $1000.00 tax on electric cars almost always overcompensates for the lack of gasoline taxes.

Tolls also unnecessarily slows down traffic.  Therefore, it makes more sense to tax incomes and make road maintenance as part of the State's or Federal's general fund.

The big demolisher of roads are heavy trucks.  The amount of pressure on the road is that exerted by the tire pressure those truck are inflated to.  A big truck tire can run at 130 psi.  Your typical car pressure is 30 psi.  You can have a truck carry heavier loads but only if they also have extra axles to distribute that load.  What happens is that these guys overload their trucks, jack up the tire pressures, and then go do the run - on roads that are not built for that abuse.  To no surprise, the roads fail, and you see these rutted, collapsed paved roads all over. 

You can build a road to last "forever" if you concentrate on reinforcing the surface directly underneath truck tires.  Here is how you can do that, and even save money on road building:

 

Now if you want to combine your road reinforcement with say a street rail project, then it would look like this:

You would end up with shared use of the reinforced section.  But Americans do not think this way, so they end up replicating the construction of yesterday's failed roads, which to no surprise fail yet again.

It makes no sense to tax cars, running on light-pressure tires, for damages caused by heavy vehicles.  It makes more sense to build that road to handle the heavy vehicles in the first place, so that you are out from underneath all the rebuilding costs once and for all.  The Romans did that with their Appian Way; still running strong after 2,000 years. 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Jan van Eck

[Rodent + 1,424]

13 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Illinois residents could be charged $1,000 a year to own an electric vehicle under new legislation

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/illinois-1000-electric-vehicle-legislation

And gas tax under our new gov looking like 44c a gallon. Watch more exodus from this 1 of 50 states.

Nothing like quashing the EV revolution.  This is so counterintuitive it's almost unbelievable. 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

It's not just Illinois. All states are struggling with lower fuel tax revenue. It kinda reminds me of the mess politicians made with cigarettes. The "sin" taxes on cigarettes are massive, and no one loves sin more than politicians. Unfortunately cigarette use has gone done down, as have the revenues. Unintended consequences…