Evil Awakens: Fascist Symbols And Rhetoric On Rise In Italian EU Vote

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A banner emblazoned with the words “Honor to Mussolini,” unfurled just steps from the Milan piazza where the fascist dictator’s body was hung upside down after his 1945 execution - wrote AP. One-armed salutes and fascist slogans shouted at protests. Italy’s right-wing interior minister skipping commemorations for the 74th anniversary of the country’s liberation from Nazi occupation. Fascist symbols, rhetoric and salutes — long a public taboo — have made their way out of the hooligan sections of soccer stadiums and into Italian streets in the run-up to this week’s European Parliament elections. The leader of the right-wing party leading in the Italian polls, Interior Minister Matteo Salvini, has faced criticism for perceived complacency toward neo-fascist extremists in his bid to see his once regionally based League party finish No. 1 in Italy, and perhaps Europe, when Italians vote Sunday.... 

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There is a true story: Nazi Von Ribbentrop boasted to Churchill that Italy was now on our side... Churchill said that's only fair we had them on our side last time...

[Pavel + 384]

So, disgusting ... Only alternative is to ban all neo-nazis groups, white supremacists, and other rigid and non-tolerant groups ... Their philosophy is not democracy but hatred.

[50 shades of black + 254]

So, sad ... millions of people are killed because of the fascism and their politics, and again we see ghosts of the past around us...

[damirUSBiH + 327]

No, deal with fascist ...once, not so long time ago, they have shown who they are and what they can do...

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7 minutes ago, 50 shades of black said:

So, sad ... millions of people are killed because of the fascism and their politics, and again we see ghosts of the past around us...

EU with right wing leaders in Hungary, Poland, Italy has no chance to succeed...

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I maintain that Merkel's legacy will be that she midwifed the rise of neo-fascism in Europe when she flooded Europe with Muslim 'migrants' and Germany's imperious behavior through the EU. 

 

2 hours ago, Pavel said:

So, disgusting ... Only alternative is to ban all neo-nazis groups, white supremacists, and other rigid and non-tolerant groups ... Their philosophy is not democracy but hatred.

Then you'd have to ban Islam and Muslims

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8 hours ago, francoba said:

A banner emblazoned with the words “Honor to Mussolini,” unfurled just steps from the Milan piazza where the fascist dictator’s body was hung upside down after his 1945 execution - wrote AP. One-armed salutes and fascist slogans shouted at protests. Italy’s right-wing interior minister skipping commemorations for the 74th anniversary of the country’s liberation from Nazi occupation. Fascist symbols, rhetoric and salutes — long a public taboo — have made their way out of the hooligan sections of soccer stadiums and into Italian streets in the run-up to this week’s European Parliament elections. The leader of the right-wing party leading in the Italian polls, Interior Minister Matteo Salvini, has faced criticism for perceived complacency toward neo-fascist extremists in his bid to see his once regionally based League party finish No. 1 in Italy, and perhaps Europe, when Italians vote Sunday.... 

Fascism is only one brand of socialism. There is a far greater threat from other socialists in the USA and around the world. 

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8 hours ago, 50 shades of black said:

So, sad ... millions of people are killed because of the fascism and their politics, and again we see ghosts of the past around us...

The ghosts we have are mainly calling themselves Democrats today. They are not like Democrats of the past.

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8 hours ago, Pavel said:

So, disgusting ... Only alternative is to ban all neo-nazis groups, white supremacists, and other rigid and non-tolerant groups ... Their philosophy is not democracy but hatred.

We have freedom of speech in the United States. We don't want anyone telling us what to think or say. Just let them show us who they are by what they say. 

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Yea like Republicans didn’t cram the Patriot Act down our throats, blow the budget with cowboy military antics, and crash the worlds economy with willfull deregulation and lack of enforcement that allowed corporations free reign to pray on its citizens. I love free speech. Aren’t Germans the base of the far right and the Republican Party? 

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7 hours ago, shadowkin said:

I maintain that Merkel's legacy will be that she midwifed the rise of neo-fascism in Europe when she flooded Europe with Muslim 'migrants' and Germany's imperious behavior through the EU. 

 

Then you'd have to ban Islam and Muslims

No need to ban any race or religion. But any immigrant needs to be seriously vetted and background checked for ability to assimilate, hold a job, respect women, minorities and of course the rule of law for starters.

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I call B.S. 

Many seem to be missing the bigger, GLOBAL picture here.

First, note how often I use the phrase "liberal fascists" below.  Because for the most part, the parties that I see trying to stomp out freedom of speech, open discussion, and dissent are the so-called liberals.  While liberals continue to project their fascist failings onto conservatives by calling conservatives "nazis" and "fascists".

"Liberal Fascist" is a far more accurate phrase, in my opinion.

Globally, the backlash trend by voters is pushing out the liberal fascists, the carbon tax climate environmental fascists, and returning to more populist and less extreme governmental control over hapless citizens which are sick of having unwanted authoritarian dictates forcibly shoved down their throats.

French Yellow Jackets have had quite enough of EU totalitarian rule, thank you very much.  It is not safe for Macron to walk the streets of France.

Britain is supremely pissed off that Brexit is not being allowed.  PM May is toast, for repeatedly failing to follow through on the Brexit mandate.

Australian voters openly rebelled in recent elections, and roundly rejected to carbon tax and spend environmental panic politicians.

Canada elected a pro-oil & gas person in recent state elections.  I see Trudeau and other liberal fascists getting wiped out in the Canada federal elections in October.

China is reeling from the trade war with the U.S.

India just upset the EU liberal fascist apple cart by electing Modi back, who is strongly aligned with Trump.

Oh, before anyone inevitably complains about my repeated use of my term "liberal fascists" be aware of the double standards used by liberal fascist media that constantly call conservatives nazis and fascists, while ignoring the actual liberal fascism of rejecting dissent, rejecting freedom of speech, refusing to allow actual discussion about climate panic tax, etc.

Anyway, 2 articles for you to read and consider.

Oh, if you reflexively react and comment and complain about and red arrow downvote my comment here, without actually reading these 2 articles that I highlight below, consider the possibility that you (yes you) might actually be intolerant, unable to allow dissent, dislike disagreement, and may be unwilling to consider other points of view.

Anyway, please do read and consider these 2 articles, which I recommend.  For lurkers, I will share excerpts, but I encourage you to read both articles in full.  I am not asking you to agree.  But I am asking you to read and consider alternative viewpoints.

How Farage's Brexit Party Is Destroying The UK Political Establishment

... Ironically, the New York Times offers one of the most apt explanations of how Farage managed to pull this off:

As Brexit chainsaws its way through British politics, dismantling decades-old political allegiances, tearing apart the traditional parties and leaving voters confused, frustrated and angry, the Brexit Party is thriving by offering a simple and hard-edge message.

"People feel completely betrayed, they feel abandoned, they feel even hated and despised by the political class and also by the media," said Martin Daubney, the lifelong Labour voter now standing for the Brexit Party, who used to edit a raunchy men’s magazine before reinventing himself as an anti-pornography advocate. "It feels like a grass-roots political revolution on the streets of Britain right now."

... Political opponents who have denounced Farage as a fascist are having a much harder time arguing against his heterodox slate of candidates, which includes several former revolutionary communists who once defended the IRA's deadly bombing campaign.

Though the Brexit party has been vague about its policy positions (apart from supporting the UK's immediate departure from the EU, even if that means a 'hard' or 'no deal' Brexit), the party's candidates would probably join with other euroskeptic MEPs once they take their seats. However, to determine where it stands on other issues, the Brexit Party has said it would set up an online forum where supporters can weigh in, similar to a platform run by the Five Star Movement in Italy.

But more than anything else, the Brexit Party has benefited from disillusionment with Theresa May's promise that she would take the UK out of the EU on time and in an orderly manner because "Brexit means Brexit." Her inability to do so may have alienated a whole generation of Tory voters.  ...

 

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi Wins Big in India

The headlines are once again examples of an ideological media. “Stunning”, “surprising”, “unexpected”, etc.  However, far from the headline ideology; in a result that is splendidly falling into place for a much more consequential geopolitical landscape; things are going swimmingly…

Reuters Headline: “India’s Modi stuns opposition with huge election win”

Yes Alice, the planets have aligned.  It is remarkable how each event falls exactly into the place needed for President Donald J Trump.  Truly,… almost divinely inspired.

The BRIC economic alliance (Brazil, Russia, India and China) has been disassembled.  Nationalist/populist Brazil and nationalist/populist India are now more aligned with nationalist/populist Trump.  China and Russia are bleeding cash to retain influence.  Economic security is national security. Things are going swimmingly.

Reminder: All of the geopolitical indicators are present…. and it is important to remember that historic trilateral Buenos Aires summit between President Trump, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and India’s Prime Minister Modi.

Taken in totality with the November 2017 “Golden Ticket” tour of Asia, it looks like President Trump structured two facets of the Indo-Pacific alliance, as far back as 2017, to be a hedge against China.

It appears that President Trump started his administration with a plan for a broad alliance of ASEAN (Association of South-East Asian Nations) to replace the U.S. economic engagement with China.  More specifically, it appears to me that President Trump is using Japan as the fulcrum, and repaying Shinzo Abe by working with Modi (India) to open up the India economy.  ...

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1 hour ago, Tony Ryals said:

The video at the link below with english subtitles shows Israeli rabbis living on occupied-stolen Palestinian land praising Hitler and the Nazis

< snip insane propoganda trolling and shilling >

So, the first reaction comment is deliberate,  race-baiting trolling?

Really?

As a moderator, I'm in a no-win situation here, after my lengthy post about freedom of speech.  Seems I was out-maneuvered by this troll post.

● If I delete the comment above for flagrantly violating forum rules, am I a fascist for not allowing different views?

● If I take no action against race-baiting actual hate speech am I a nazi?

@Rodent a bit of advice here please from Oil Price staff.

 

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19 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

So, the first reaction comment is deliberate,  race-baiting trolling?

Really?

As a moderator, I'm in a no-win situation here, after my lengthy post about freedom of speech.  Seems I was out-maneuvered by this troll post.

● If I delete the comment above for flagrantly violating forum rules, am I a fascist for not allowing different views?

● If I take no action against race-bating actual hate speech am I a nazi?

@Rodent a bit of advice here please from Oil Price staff.

 

I knew we should have instituted a maximum character limit.

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2 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

French Yellow Jackets have had quite enough of EU totalitarian rule, thank you very much.  It is not safe for Macron to walk the streets of France.

Canada elected a pro-oil & gas person in recent state elections.  I see Trudeau and other liberal fascists getting wiped out in the Canada federal elections in October.

trade war with the U.S.

 

I think most of the yellow jacket thing is over.  It sure is in Canada - if it ever was more than a few dimwits in trucks. After a few hate groups starting attaching themselves to the original "pro oil, no carbon tax" movement it died a quick death; as not even the right wing politicians could risk being associated with them. Without an ear to hear them they circle jerked in an echo-chamber and then went home.

We do not have states, thankfully, or I'd have to leave Alberta and go somewhere more sophisticated. States have way more independence than provinces.

You can't call someone both liberal and fascist, they are near opposite ends of the spectrum (yes, I know in some ways it is sort of a circle).  Liberalism is actually a moderate position.

Fascists do, however, dislike international free-trade; which free-market capitalism is supposed to love *cough* "Tariff man" *cough*.  They also don't mind stomping on hard earned civil liberties *Roe vs Wade*

Edited May 24, 2019 by Enthalpic

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18 hours ago, francoba said:

EU with right wing leaders in Hungary, Poland, Italy has no chance to succeed...

The EU needs an Abe Lincoln style tyrant. 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

The Euro-Atlantic Populist Wave

In 2016, the world began to change, with the Brexit referendum in the U.K. and the election of Donald Trump as U.S. president. In both cases, an insurrection of “regular people” against the structures of political and media power upset the political balance of two of the leading countries of the Western world.

And the revolt didn’t stop there. It continued in 2017 and 2018 with a series of elections across continental Europe that saw the growth of protest movements and candidates willing to challenge the system of globalization that until recently seemed inevitable.

The anti-establishment revolt that has spread across the Western world is closely linked to the gradual transformation of the economic structure of the nations on both sides of the Atlantic over a period of decades, from one focused principally on production, to a system based increasingly on finance.  ...

... Given the parallels between the situations in Europe and the United States, the only practicable remedy is also quite evident: either political institutions begin to deal seriously with the fundamental economic changes that have taken place over a period of decades, or nobody should expect the revolt of the voters to subside, with all of the negative side effects seen to this point. And there is no doubt things could get even worse, in Europe in particular, where the last cases of dictatorship and destruction of democratic institutions are not so far in the past.

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7 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

I call B.S. 

Many seem to be missing the bigger, GLOBAL picture here.

First, note how often I use the phrase "liberal fascists" below.  Because for the most part, the parties that I see trying to stomp out freedom of speech, open discussion, and dissent are the so-called liberals.  While liberals continue to project their fascist failings onto conservatives by calling conservatives "nazis" and "fascists".

"Liberal Fascist" is a far more accurate phrase, in my opinion.

Globally, the backlash trend by voters is pushing out the liberal fascists, the carbon tax climate environmental fascists, and returning to more populist and less extreme governmental control over hapless citizens which are sick of having unwanted authoritarian dictates forcibly shoved down their throats.

French Yellow Jackets have had quite enough of EU totalitarian rule, thank you very much.  It is not safe for Macron to walk the streets of France.

Britain is supremely pissed off that Brexit is not being allowed.  PM May is toast, for repeatedly failing to follow through on the Brexit mandate.

Australian voters openly rebelled in recent elections, and roundly rejected to carbon tax and spend environmental panic politicians.

Canada elected a pro-oil & gas person in recent state elections.  I see Trudeau and other liberal fascists getting wiped out in the Canada federal elections in October.

China is reeling from the trade war with the U.S.

India just upset the EU liberal fascist apple cart by electing Modi back, who is strongly aligned with Trump.

Oh, before anyone inevitably complains about my repeated use of my term "liberal fascists" be aware of the double standards used by liberal fascist media that constantly call conservatives nazis and fascists, while ignoring the actual liberal fascism of rejecting dissent, rejecting freedom of speech, refusing to allow actual discussion about climate panic tax, etc.

Anyway, 2 articles for you to read and consider.

Oh, if you reflexively react and comment and complain about and red arrow downvote my comment here, without actually reading these 2 articles that I highlight below, consider the possibility that you (yes you) might actually be intolerant, unable to allow dissent, dislike disagreement, and may be unwilling to consider other points of view.

Anyway, please do read and consider these 2 articles, which I recommend.  For lurkers, I will share excerpts, but I encourage you to read both articles in full.  I am not asking you to agree.  But I am asking you to read and consider alternative viewpoints.

How Farage's Brexit Party Is Destroying The UK Political Establishment

... Ironically, the New York Times offers one of the most apt explanations of how Farage managed to pull this off:

As Brexit chainsaws its way through British politics, dismantling decades-old political allegiances, tearing apart the traditional parties and leaving voters confused, frustrated and angry, the Brexit Party is thriving by offering a simple and hard-edge message.

"People feel completely betrayed, they feel abandoned, they feel even hated and despised by the political class and also by the media," said Martin Daubney, the lifelong Labour voter now standing for the Brexit Party, who used to edit a raunchy men’s magazine before reinventing himself as an anti-pornography advocate. "It feels like a grass-roots political revolution on the streets of Britain right now."

... Political opponents who have denounced Farage as a fascist are having a much harder time arguing against his heterodox slate of candidates, which includes several former revolutionary communists who once defended the IRA's deadly bombing campaign.

Though the Brexit party has been vague about its policy positions (apart from supporting the UK's immediate departure from the EU, even if that means a 'hard' or 'no deal' Brexit), the party's candidates would probably join with other euroskeptic MEPs once they take their seats. However, to determine where it stands on other issues, the Brexit Party has said it would set up an online forum where supporters can weigh in, similar to a platform run by the Five Star Movement in Italy.

But more than anything else, the Brexit Party has benefited from disillusionment with Theresa May's promise that she would take the UK out of the EU on time and in an orderly manner because "Brexit means Brexit." Her inability to do so may have alienated a whole generation of Tory voters.  ...

 

===================================

Prime Minister Narendra Modi Wins Big in India

The headlines are once again examples of an ideological media. “Stunning”, “surprising”, “unexpected”, etc.  However, far from the headline ideology; in a result that is splendidly falling into place for a much more consequential geopolitical landscape; things are going swimmingly…



Reuters Headline: “India’s Modi stuns opposition with huge election win”

Yes Alice, the planets have aligned.  It is remarkable how each event falls exactly into the place needed for President Donald J Trump.  Truly,… almost divinely inspired.

The BRIC economic alliance (Brazil, Russia, India and China) has been disassembled.  Nationalist/populist Brazil and nationalist/populist India are now more aligned with nationalist/populist Trump.  China and Russia are bleeding cash to retain influence.  Economic security is national security. Things are going swimmingly.

Reminder: All of the geopolitical indicators are present…. and it is important to remember that historic trilateral Buenos Aires summit between President Trump, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and India’s Prime Minister Modi.

Taken in totality with the November 2017 “Golden Ticket” tour of Asia, it looks like President Trump structured two facets of the Indo-Pacific alliance, as far back as 2017, to be a hedge against China.

It appears that President Trump started his administration with a plan for a broad alliance of ASEAN (Association of South-East Asian Nations) to replace the U.S. economic engagement with China.  More specifically, it appears to me that President Trump is using Japan as the fulcrum, and repaying Shinzo Abe by working with Modi (India) to open up the India economy.  ...

Tom, 

Where do you actually see EU totalitarian rule? I am curious. It would be great with detailed examples referencing the laws rather that just copy-paste from MSM or non-MSM media. 

The EU needs reforms, badly. But Europe needs EU more than ever. 

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17 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Tom, 

Where do you actually see EU totalitarian rule? I am curious. It would be great with detailed examples referencing the laws rather that just copy-paste from MSM or non-MSM media. 

The EU needs reforms, badly. But Europe needs EU more than ever. 

My views about EU go back a long time.  In a nutshell, I view the EU as a mini version of the UN.

I view the UN as corrupt cesspool of unelected, unaccountable "diplomats" living large on their host country's tax dollars.  Yes, that is a reference to parasites.

The UN actually doesn't accomplish much of anything except to issue grand pronouncements and spend lots of money (other people's money) quite freely.

The latest bent by the U.N. spurring on climate panic (which can only be "solved" by higher taxes and more regulations) and trying to mandate this climate panic economic destruction solely onto Western nations while giving a free pass to China, India, Africa shows the level of disconnect between people of the world and U.N.

Unaccountable and unelected are 2 key adjectives that describe the U.N. in my opinion.

The EU leadership is a mini version of the UN, and the same adjectives apply.

That's my view in a nutshell.  No copypasta anywhere from media.  Just look at what the  EU "leaders" in Brussels are doing to block Brexit.  UK's PM May is toast.  Give it a few days, I expect she will resign.

Unelected EU leaders in Brussels will never resign, as they are above the law.

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37 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

My views about EU go back a long time.  In a nutshell, I view the EU as a mini version of the UN.

I view the UN as corrupt cesspool of unelected, unaccountable "diplomats" living large on their host country's tax dollars.  Yes, that is a reference to parasites.

The UN actually doesn't accomplish much of anything except to issue grand pronouncements and spend lots of money (other people's money) quite freely.

The latest bent by the U.N. spurring on climate panic (which can only be "solved" by higher taxes and more regulations) and trying to mandate this climate panic economic destruction solely onto Western nations while giving a free pass to China, India, Africa shows the level of disconnect between people of the world and U.N.

Unaccountable and unelected are 2 key adjectives that describe the U.N. in my opinion.

The EU leadership is a mini version of the UN, and the same adjectives apply.

That's my view in a nutshell.  No copypasta anywhere from media.  Just look at what the  EU "leaders" in Brussels are doing to block Brexit.  UK's PM May is toast.  Give it a few days, I expect she will resign.

Unelected EU leaders in Brussels will never resign, as they are above the law.

I agree that the EU needs reform. I just feel a reformed EU is the best way to address the challenges facing Europe - for example take on China. 

Where I disagree with you is on this emotionally strong rhetoric about EU being totalitarian. Brexit is not an example of that. The EU is NOT stopping Brexit. That is a fact. It is also a fact that Brexit is a mess, but it is not fair to put that on the EU. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

I agree that the EU needs reform. I just feel a reformed EU is the best way to address the challenges facing Europe - for example take on China. 

Where I disagree with you is on this emotionally strong rhetoric about EU being totalitarian. Brexit is not an example of that. The EU is NOT stopping Brexit. That is a fact. It is also a fact that Brexit is a mess, but it is not fair to put that on the EU. 

 

Fair enough on your level-headed response.

I'm not going to submit a deep dive into my views on my dislike of EU leadership.  Suffice it to say I indeed view EU leadership as creeping totalitarian in nature, in much the same way that I view China as creeping totalitarianism. 

Do. Not. Want.

My view is both the UK and EU leadership are doing dang near everything possible to stop Brexit.

Here is an in depth article from The Duran.

While reading this, perhaps keep a mental picture of France's Macron in your head as an object lesson in current "let them eat cake" arrogance.

UK deep state plots to thwart Brexit

Decades ago the British deep state hatched a nefarious plot against the British people.  The elite wanted to foist European unity on an unwilling populace. The notion of the conceited Whitehall elite was that the peasants were stupid and the mandarins knew best. In late 1940s the United Kingdom politely declined offers to join the proposed European Coal and Steel Community. This was an embryonic European Economic Community. As Churchill said ‘we are with Europe but not of it.’ One Labour MP sagely said of joining the European project ‘the Durham miners won’t wear it.’ Those were the days when MPs quaintly cared about serving their constituents.

...  

The EU has never and shall never support democracy. The denizens of Europe must vote the way their masters tell them ‘because we say so.’ The EU is run for the benefit of corporate fatcats, indolent civil servants and mendacious politicians. They do not care one iota for the wellbeing of those whom they regard as serfs.

The EU is not a rechtstaat. That claim is another one of the core fallacies of eurofanatic propaganda. The EU regularly breaks its own laws with impunity. In 2001 France and Germany were breaking the Growth and Stability Pact on a huge scale. They were not forced to pay a fine as the law mandated. The Schengen Agreement is supposed to provide a common migration policy for states that are signatories of it. In 2015 Germany tore up Schengen by admitting over a million illegal immigrants. Once in Germany they could effectively go anywhere in the EU. The EU does not believe in the rule of law. It is secretive and often has political decisions made by bureaucrats. It also hugely overrepresents the smallest member states.  ...

 

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21 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

While reading this, perhaps keep a mental picture of France's Macron in your head as an object lesson in current "let them eat cake" arrogance.

Tom, 

I have now read through the article. However, all I see is opinions; no facts. 

Where there is smoke there is fire - I openly admit that the EU needs reforms (in fact most governments in West could do with some reforms). But that is vastly different from this conspiracy theory which is being put forward in that article. 

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4 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

The UN actually doesn't accomplish much of anything except to issue grand pronouncements and spend lots of money (other people's money) quite freely.

UN budget : 50 billions $

US military spending : 716 billions $

 

The UN has currently 15 peace keeping operations around the world .

 

Given what the US military has "accomplished" in Iraq and Afghanistan  it seems they are spending peoples's money in a way less efficient way than the UN.

 

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14 hours ago, ronwagn said:

We have freedom of speech in the United States. We don't want anyone telling us what to think or say. Just let them show us who they are by what they say. 

The point is in something else, but instead of long explanations try to find yourself in this:

“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.” 
― Franklin D. Roosevelt