Evil Awakens: Fascist Symbols And Rhetoric On Rise In Italian EU Vote

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There is nothing liberal about fascism.  Being liberal is being open to accepting others, despite their differences with regard to race, religion, national origin or who they love.  It is about freedom of speech and association.  It is about being empathetic, striving to care for those less fortunate, removing barriers to competition, rewarding work at least as much as we reward capital both by promoting unions and restructuring our tax laws, and providing equal opportunity to a good education for all.  It is also about allowing people freedom to make their own decisions about their lives so long as they are not hurting others, including a woman’s choice to access to birth control and abortion.  It is also about recognizing that we are trustees of our planet for future generations.  

Fascism is about empowering bigotry, blaming and judging others because of their race, religion, national origin or who they love.  It is about intolerance, and belief in exceptionalism.  It is a movement founded on fear and which seeks to maintain power by stoking fear of “the others.” As a result, fascists are overly concerned about building walls and spending money on defense rather than caring about the plight of immigrants fleeing violence, oppression and the devastating impacts of climate change. They seek to concentrate power in a strong executive, undermine civil liberties and human rights of minorities, accept limits to competition in favor of perceived efficiency, and prevent workers from forming unions.  

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1 hour ago, WaytoPeace said:

There is nothing liberal about fascism.  Being liberal is being open to accepting others, despite their differences with regard to race, religion, national origin or who they love.  It is about freedom of speech and association.  It is about being empathetic, striving to care for those less fortunate, removing barriers to competition, rewarding work at least as much as we reward capital both by promoting unions and restructuring our tax laws, and providing equal opportunity to a good education for all.  It is also about allowing people freedom to make their own decisions about their lives so long as they are not hurting others, including a woman’s choice to access to birth control and abortion.  It is also about recognizing that we are trustees of our planet for future generations.  

Fascism is about empowering bigotry, blaming and judging others because of their race, religion, national origin or who they love.  It is about intolerance, and belief in exceptionalism.  It is a movement founded on fear and which seeks to maintain power by stoking fear of “the others.” As a result, fascists are overly concerned about building walls and spending money on defense rather than caring about the plight of immigrants fleeing violence, oppression and the devastating impacts of climate change. They seek to concentrate power in a strong executive, undermine civil liberties and human rights of minorities, accept limits to competition in favor of perceived efficiency, and prevent workers from forming unions.  

REAL fascism: Since you have NEVER read their manifesto...  IT is the OPPOSITE of what you claim.  Fascism is today's "progressives" here in the USA.  Read and weep.  Next time, tell your Lying ass lefties to stick their lies back where the sun does not shine and smear themselves instead of others. 

• The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.

In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

• The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
• A minimum wage;
• The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
• To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
• Reorganization of the railways and the transport sector;
• Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
• Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

• Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
• Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
• A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

• A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
• The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
• Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
• The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

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3 hours ago, Wastral said:

REAL fascism: Since you have NEVER read their manifesto...  IT is the OPPOSITE of what you claim.  Fascism is today's "progressives" here in the USA.  Read and weep.  Next time, tell your Lying ass lefties to stick their lies back where the sun does not shine and smear themselves instead of others. 

• The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.

In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

• The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
• A minimum wage;
• The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
• To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
• Reorganization of the railways and the transport sector;
• Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
• Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

• Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
• Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
• A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

• A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
• The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
• Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
• The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

Where is this "manifesto" you are referring to?  Who wrote it? 

Really you are just trying to change the definition of fascism so it matches your opinions. Fascism values self-sufficiency and supports human Darwinism (just let the sick, poor, and minorities die) - a commonly expressed sentiment around here.  "Make [white] America great again"

Liberalism supports social welfare.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Where is this "manifesto" you are referring to?  Who wrote it? 

Really you are just trying to change the definition of fascism so it matches your opinions. Fascism values self-sufficiency and supports human Darwinism (just let the sick, poor, and minorities die) - a commonly expressed sentiment around here.  "Make [white] America great again"

Liberalism supports social welfare.

Type Fascist Manifesto.  2 words into google. 

Is that so hard? 

Read.  Italian(original), Mousillini, Spanish(Franco), or German(Hitler), you pick.  I gave you the translated and truncated Italian version.  The Spanish and German version is slightly different due to differences in countries.  (Welcome to reality)

I can't help you read that which you refuse to pursue. 

As for Liberalism:

Classical Liberalism, supports limited government, individual rights FROM the government and then ~ generally at the local level so it can support social welfare.  The "bible" of this movement is John Locke, the father of Liberalism. His ideas combined with the Christian cultural ethos of individualism, spawned the Revolutions in the USA/France from where most modern western governments get their foundation. 

Most so-called "liberals" today are NOT liberals.  They are the fascists, socialists, communists of the early 20th century who have stolen the name because theirs was horrifically tarnished forever by WWII era and the cold war immediately following for obvious reasons.  For instance 70 years ago Communism became a 4 letter swear word and they rebranded themselves as "progressives".   They are not progressive at all(they are regressive, especially regarding freedom of speech, religion, expression, rights to working for yourself(force you into a  thug union)), they are just rebranded communists from 70 years ago when Communism became a 4 letter word.  The Fascists of the early 20th century are near identical in policy to the Democrats here in the USA, Tory/Labor in England, Christian new Democrats in Germany, etc.  FDR loved the fascists in the 30s, as he has many letters praising Mousillini etc, but during the war and post war this got carefully scrubbed from historical records.  Why?  The word Fascist obviously got a NASTY sickening connotation from the Germans who had their wacked out version of super humans added to it. 

Like everything on the left(anarchism essentially), perversion is rampant, from names to behavior from a stodgy, constrained, "right" rigid Conservatives point of view.  Where you or I fall in between is? and pointless.  Many who say they are liberals in reality. Many are classical liberals in the economic sense, but not in the social.  Many are classical liberals in the social sense but not economic.  No simple category for anyone in this world. 

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45 minutes ago, Wastral said:

 Many are classical liberals in the economic sense, but not in the social.  Many are classical liberals in the social sense but not economic.  No simple category for anyone in this world. 

+1 We agree!

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3 hours ago, Wastral said:

 They are not progressive at all(they are regressive, especially regarding freedom of speech, religion, expression

Yeah, muslims feel right at home expressing their religious freedom in the US...

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On 5/24/2019 at 6:08 AM, Pavel said:

The point is in something else, but instead of long explanations try to find yourself in this:

“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.” 
― Franklin D. Roosevelt

That is exactly what is happening because of our " Masters of the Universe" who run Facebook, Twitter, and all the Mainstream Media. These are all globalists who control the large foundations, advertising agencies, government unions, etc. etc. They are all socialists, fellow travelers, and useful idiots. Not a fascist racist among them. Fascism is simply another brand of socialism/communism. Fascism is often equated with racism but is not necessarily a part of fascism. 

Americans must closely follow our Constitution and Bill of Rights or could soon become as unfree as other countries around the world. So called "progressives", who are really regressives, are trying to distort and ignore the Constitution any devious way they can. 

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On 5/24/2019 at 5:49 AM, Guillaume Albasini said:

UN budget : 50 billions $

US military spending : 716 billions $

 

The UN has currently 15 peace keeping operations around the world .

 

Given what the US military has "accomplished" in Iraq and Afghanistan  it seems they are spending peoples's money in a way less efficient way than the UN.

 

And the United States pays more than any other country to support the U.N. and allows it to reside in New York City. 

The key things to look at about the United Nations is their propaganda about Climate Change, Agenda 21, the countries who run the various departments, etc.

 https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism

https://www.theindychannel.com/news/politics/president-trump-pulls-out-of-united-nations-arms-treaty-at-nra-convention

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8kNhtZJLuN66TpDuo67WBV1U2JhhZIvAefxeMNK0ls/edit#

Edited May 25, 2019 by ronwagn
added reference

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

And the United States pays more than any other country to support the U.N. and allows it to reside in New York City. 

Get the U.N. out of the U.S. 

And

Get the U.S. out of the U.N.

Saudi Arabia is on the U.N. Human Rights panel.  Clearly, absurdity.

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On 5/24/2019 at 9:24 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

  On 5/24/2019 at 9:02 AM, Tony Ryals said:

The video at the link below with english subtitles shows Israeli rabbis living on occupied-stolen Palestinian land praising Hitler and the Nazis

< snip insane propoganda trolling and shilling >

So, the first reaction comment is deliberate,  race-baiting trolling?

 

There is a reason for that.......... Jews are granted a piece of land probably because of the massacre led by Hitler and Nazis...... The Rabbi thanked them not for the massacre but for the land granted...... A little out of place.... it is.... but..... Jews - descendants of Judas ( i.e. a Jew) who betrayed Jesus............ might be punished with no land until a tale Prince of Egypt was told and UN led the way......... Please feel no offence or think this is blasphemy......... It is just a perspective........

The right to citizenship of Israel was asked by a Professor in an assignment for peace between Israel and the Palestine. A question was raised by a participant -

Is Israel a nation for Jews only OR 

for all people staying there who are calling themselves Israelites? 

Quote from the discussion:"If it is for Jews only......... the land acquisition might be an ongoing process until only Jews occupy that whole piece of land........ If it is for all kinds of people and religions - does it matter that much if that place is called Israel (meaning he who struggled with God) or the Palestine (land of the Phillistine i.e people who were hostile and indifferent to culture and arts)? Both names are equally bad if someone is asking............"

Is Facism on the rise here?? 

Quote

The Fascists came to associate the term with the ancient Roman fasces or fascio littorio^[23]—a bundle of rods tied around an axe, an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of the civic magistrate (The Roman magistrates were elected officials in Ancient Rome.) carried by his lictors (The lictor was a Roman civil servant who was a bodyguard to magistrates who held imperium.),..................

The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

From the quote above we could probably deduce that Fascism means "united in strength under the authority of the elected officers"........... 

Please share your thoughts on this matter.........

 

On 5/25/2019 at 12:23 AM, WaytoPeace said:

There is nothing liberal about fascism.  Being liberal is being open to accepting others, despite their differences with regard to race, religion, national origin or who they love.  It is about freedom of speech and association.  It is about being empathetic, striving to care for those less fortunate, removing barriers to competition, rewarding work at least as much as we reward capital both by promoting unions and restructuring our tax laws, and providing equal opportunity to a good education for all.  It is also about allowing people freedom to make their own decisions about their lives so long as they are not hurting others, including a woman’s choice to access to birth control and abortion.  It is also about recognizing that we are trustees of our planet for future generations.  

Fascism is about empowering bigotry, blaming and judging others because of their race, religion, national origin or who they love.  It is about intolerance, and belief in exceptionalism.  It is a movement founded on fear and which seeks to maintain power by stoking fear of “the others.” As a result, fascists are overly concerned about building walls and spending money on defense rather than caring about the plight of immigrants fleeing violence, oppression and the devastating impacts of climate change. They seek to concentrate power in a strong executive, undermine civil liberties and human rights of minorities, accept limits to competition in favor of perceived efficiency, and prevent workers from forming unions.  

Excellent points............. But...... you might have a mutated version of fascism.......

Edited May 26, 2019 by specinho

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On 5/23/2019 at 8:19 PM, pinto said:

There is a true story: Nazi Von Ribbentrop boasted to Churchill that Italy was now on our side... Churchill said that's only fair we had them on our side last time...

What do call Italian paratroopers? Air pollution.

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10 minutes ago, specinho said:

Judas ( i.e. a Jew) who betrayed Jesus

Jesus was also a Jew. So, if anyone is considered bad because they are a Jew, then Jesus, a Jew, is also bad.

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How about we steer away from inflamatory race baiting...

On certain forums, race baiting (specifically anti-semitism) is used deliberately as a tool by bad actors to try to hijack the forum and make the forum look crazy.

A word of caution to no one in particular, enough already on inflammatory race comments, or as a moderator I will simply delete any and all references to race / religion in this thread. 

This Oil Price forum is primarily about oil, and there have already been noobs showing up recently trying to disrupt this forum.  Clearly anti-oil & gas.  As the forum continues to grow, it wouldn't surprise me to see hyperactive anti- oil & gas protesters (e.g. Extinction Rebellion) target this pro - oil forum.

Link to forum rules are below.  I tend to give a large leeway for freedom of speech, but need to balance freedom of speech with professional decorum on a professional forum.

An earlier comment  by someone which was deleted complained that his hysterical anti-semitic screed was deleted unfairly and was against his freedom of speech rights.  Utter nonsense. 

If you want unfettered freedom of speech, go to Gab or 4chan or 8chan (I do).

Think of this forum as akin to your workplace.  It's fine to joke around and and have fun.  But if you wouldn't say something inflammatory at your workplace, you probably shouldn't say it here on the forum.  And yes, the way I comment here on this forum is pretty much the same way I talk at work.

 

FYI @Rodent

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42 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

A word of caution to no one in particular, enough already on inflammatory race comments, or as a moderator I will simply delete any and all references to race / religion in this thread.

Straight out white-supremacist views being posted in the apartheid thread.

 

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55 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

This Oil Price forum is primarily about oil, and there have already been noobs showing up recently trying to disrupt this forum.  Clearly anti-oil & gas.  As the forum continues to grow, it wouldn't surprise me to see hyperactive anti- oil & gas protesters (e.g. Extinction Rebellion) target this pro - oil forum.

 

You can have a forum about oil without it inherently being pro - oil.

FYI I am not anti-oil; I am just against recklessly burning the stuff.  Oil is a rich source of organic chemical feed-stocks; burning it is the lowest form of utilization.

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50 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

You can have a forum about oil without it inherently being pro - oil.

FYI I am not anti-oil; I am just against recklessly burning the stuff.  Oil is a rich source of organic chemical feed-stocks; burning it is the lowest form of utilization.

Understood, no issue.

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1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

Straight out white-supremacist views being posted in the apartheid thread.

 

Thanks, I haven't bothered reading that thread because I have no interest in it.

I'm not Oil Price staff, just a "power user" here, and I don't read every thread.

Thanks for the alert, now I'll need to go check it out and see what's going on in that thread.

Tip, anyone should be able to "flag" a comment to alert moderators.  When a comment gets flagged, all mods get a notification to check it out, and the flag doesn't go away until a mod clears (unchecks) the flag.