Oil Demand Needs to Halve: Equinor

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2 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said:

And plastics and synthetic fibres, and a thousand other things, yes. 

We live in an age that our lives are basically embalmed in oil, gas , petchems and their derivatives, all the anti- (fill in the blank) , fail to realize in a realistic , practical way that without these feedstocks, modern life as we and they know it will cease to exist. They are welcome to go try living for a few months without the benefit of the use of products and services derived from these feedstocks. Welcome to stoneage!!!

Every aspect of modern life has been made so only because of the use of these feedstocks. Life expectancy , population growth, medical breakthroughs, medical diagnostics, treatments, surgeries, medicines, medtech, pharma, biotech, essentially wiping off many of the diseases that caused widespread death due to these feedstocks, reduction in famine and worldwide starvation, malnutrition, abundance of agri goods and commodities, betterment of the quality of life and better living standards, better housing , transport of people and goods, communications, entertainment and the list goes on, all have been possible only because of these feedstocks.

Sure there are some drawbacks, but the frothing at the mouth, nonsensical, hysterical anti oil, gas, petchem crowd has to wake up and literally smell the coffee, which also without these feedstocks they wouldnt be able to get from Starbucks! can you picture these same folks using smoke signals instead of iphones and what nots?

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22 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said:

And plastics and synthetic fibres, and a thousand other things, yes. 

Marina! How can you possibly bring up those evil plastics and synthetic fibers! Haven't you been reading the news out of Malaysia and the Philippines recently?

You are handing the 'enemy' the sword!!!😂

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What's happening in Malaysia and the Philippines? 

22 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

You are handing the 'enemy' the sword!!!😂

I've got an armour of truth.  And the truth is that if we're to curb industrial farming* in the section of cotton and wool, synthetic fibres come to the rescue. Also faux fur since we don't want to kill innocent animals for their hides (I am 100% serious here). It's not even a question of fashion. It's a question of survival in the colder parts of the world.

*Some say it's an even greater contributor to climate change than fossil fuels.

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19 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said:

What's happening in Malaysia and the Philippines? 

I've got an armour of truth.  And the truth is that if we're to curb industrial farming* in the section of cotton and wool, synthetic fibres come to the rescue. Also faux fur since we don't want to kill innocent animals for their hides (I am 100% serious here). It's not even a question of fashion. It's a question of survival in the colder parts of the world.

*Some say it's an even greater contributor to climate change than fossil fuels.

We could go back to "natural, organic farming", only local produce and food commodities transported by mule and horse and ox powered carts/wagons, use the their refuse for making soil amendments and natural ferts and composting.

I dont mind it, I grow my own gardens and fruits and organic as much as possible, nothing like tasting a home grown tomato, pepper or chile, or mango or pineapple, or corn etc. But the worldwide demand for food will not be met with small local farms and gardens.

 

You are right they dont want to slaughter animals for anything, yet no man made fibres either, no cows because of methane, no other types of livestock that provide fur and other nutritious delicious goodies, they can drink all their soymilk and almond milk they want (also thanks to oil and gas  LOL) , in CA a lot of the almonds and nuts are irrigated with produced water from oil wells, courtesy of Chevron treating the water and supplying it to the farms.

https://modernfarmer.com/2017/08/safe-oilfield-produced-water-crop-irrigation-new-study-wants-find/

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/soapbox/article90367097.html

https://www.newsweek.com/california-farmers-rely-oil-wastewater-weather-drought-319648

Malaysia and Philippines sending back the "trash from the west" back.

[Marina Schwarz + 1,576]

You grew all this? That's great! You're greener than a lot of city-dwelling "greens". I just started dabbling in gardening this year. We'll see what happens later this year. I like the idea of self-sufficiency or any semblance of it. 

23 minutes ago, ceo_energemsier said:

But the worldwide demand for food will not be met with small local farms and gardens.

Who cares as long as we save the planet, eh?

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4 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said:

You grew all this? That's great! You're greener than a lot of city-dwelling "greens". I just started dabbling in gardening this year. We'll see what happens later this year. I like the idea of self-sufficiency or any semblance of it. 

Who cares as long as we save the planet, eh?

Yes, when I am not playing with oil LOL , I grow things like that. I dont like to live in the city too much, but even my city place, I grow things, just so much nicer and better.

 

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8 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Pretty hard to defeat the Carnot Cycle. Many have tried, many a project has died

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle I admit that this is over my head. I am talking about waste heat that is used to heat buildings or other simple uses. I would, of course, love to see ICE engines use more of the heat they produce. 

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Good for you and for the planet.  I\ll brag if I manage to grow anything this year besides fruit. Fruit trees pretty much take care of themselves.

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8 hours ago, ceo_energemsier said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2019/01/23/coal-is-not-dead-china-proves-it/#615702d65fa6

 

http://www.mining.com/coal-demand-seen-steady-through-2023-thanks-to-india-china-iea/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/these-countries-are-driving-global-demand-for-coal/

 

https://www.worldcoal.org/coal-consumption-expected-increase-need-low-emission-technologies-has-never-been-greater

 

https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/03/31/global-coal-industry-isnt-going-anywhere-yet

 

https://www.sustainability-times.com/low-carbon-energy/coal-burning-in-china-and-india-has-seen-a-hike-in-co2-emissions/

Thanks for the great references. I was aware of the realities of continuing coal consumption. I will have to see if any new technologies will really be used in China or India. Coal is a real killer https://www.cbsnews.com/news/india-air-pollution-kills-100000-children-every-year-environment-study-says/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwglGIAHP9lCTGgmUxz7sD5l1qUQqN3o0IwwXsqAb1U/edit

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/05/science/kemper-coal-mississippi.html?action=click&contentCollection=World&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia

Edited June 7, 2019 by ronwagn
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Hi All, from a trader in Southern England where it is raining.  

 

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On 6/6/2019 at 11:51 AM, Marina Schwarz said:

Oil demand needs to halve, gas use must drop by 10% and coal use needs to be all but eradicated by 2050 to achieve the goals of the Paris agreement to limit global warming, oil company Equinor said in its energy outlook on Thursday. Here.

I can definitely see this happening without a major reduction in global population and even major-er consumption limits on everything, yep.

Re-distribute norway oil fund to poor countries to invest more in solar and wind, 10% virtue signalling tax on scandinavian countries shall be imposed form now on. We will demand and use what we want, dont want dirty oil merchants to lecture us on AGW. India and china are the leaders in the alternate energy revolution, we achieved this without massive oil subsidies and constantly reminding everyone how cool we are.

Edited June 7, 2019 by Arjun

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10 minutes ago, Arjun said:

Re-distribute norway oil fund to poor countries to invest more in solar and wind, 10% virtue signalling tax on scandinavian countries shall be imposed form now on. We will demand and use what we want, dont want dirty oil merchants to lecture us on AGW. India and china are the leaders in the alternate energy revolution, we achieved this without massive oil subsidies and constantly reminding everyone how cool we are.

I'm .... baffled ... ?

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1 hour ago, Tom Kirkman said:

I'm .... baffled ... ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_India

 

Even wikipedia admits that India is making impressive gains in renewable energy. The norwegians can be smug with their oil money firmly in the bank. 

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6 hours ago, ceo_energemsier said:

We live in an age that our lives are basically embalmed in oil, gas , petchems and their derivatives, all the anti- (fill in the blank) , fail to realize in a realistic , practical way that without these feedstocks, modern life as we and they know it will cease to exist. They are welcome to go try living for a few months without the benefit of the use of products and services derived from these feedstocks. Welcome to stoneage!!!

Every aspect of modern life has been made so only because of the use of these feedstocks. Life expectancy , population growth, medical breakthroughs, medical diagnostics, treatments, surgeries, medicines, medtech, pharma, biotech, essentially wiping off many of the diseases that caused widespread death due to these feedstocks, reduction in famine and worldwide starvation, malnutrition, abundance of agri goods and commodities, betterment of the quality of life and better living standards, better housing , transport of people and goods, communications, entertainment and the list goes on, all have been possible only because of these feedstocks.

Sure there are some drawbacks, but the frothing at the mouth, nonsensical, hysterical anti oil, gas, petchem crowd has to wake up and literally smell the coffee, which also without these feedstocks they wouldnt be able to get from Starbucks! can you picture these same folks using smoke signals instead of iphones and what nots?

I agree. However, I don't think this should be used as a get-out-of jail free card to pollute to your hearts content. 

You seem to active in the world wide O&G industry, so I am sure that you must have first hand knowledge of simple measures that could reduce pollution by a big margin. 

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10 hours ago, Marina Schwarz said:

Good for you and for the planet.  I\ll brag if I manage to grow anything this year besides fruit. Fruit trees pretty much take care of themselves.

It has taken me many many years to get the science of growing things down right in the different areas I tend to inhabit.

You have heat, drought, too much rain, hail, wildfires and wild animals and even those cute little bunnies and squirrels can wreak havoc.

I keep  a paint ball gun handy to colour the bears that try to get at my pears, plums, apples, peaches, nectarines and the veggies and what nots.

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10 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Thanks for the great references. I was aware of the realities of continuing coal consumption. I will have to see if any new technologies will really be used in China or India. Coal is a real killer https://www.cbsnews.com/news/india-air-pollution-kills-100000-children-every-year-environment-study-says/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwglGIAHP9lCTGgmUxz7sD5l1qUQqN3o0IwwXsqAb1U/edit

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/05/science/kemper-coal-mississippi.html?action=click&contentCollection=World&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia

We have worked on some cleaner coal techs and coal upgrading techs, finished 6 months worth of pilot plants testings and 2 full scale plants testing. We do a presentation at site , show and tell for the DOE/Energy Committee and some big coal power plant operators from Asia and S. Am. in Oct/Nov along with a few US mine operators to show the process and how it works.

The business model for that is basically, we either contract with the power plants and or the coal producers to upgrade the coal to a cleaner burning more efficient and higher btu yielding fuel source with minimal emissions. In negotiations with several producers and power plant operators already plus some discussions with others for strategic licensing agreements.

Will post you some details about the general process.

The pollution in India and China is horrible, havent seen anything like it. Last time I was in India, stepping out of the car for 5 minutes in New Delhi, my white shirt was speckled with black/brown soot. Have seen the cases of all types of lung and other respiratory diseases, horrible horrible.

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9 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

I'm .... baffled ... ?

Exactly!!!

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5 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

I agree. However, I don't think this should be used as a get-out-of jail free card to pollute to your hearts content. 

You seem to active in the world wide O&G industry, so I am sure that you must have first hand knowledge of simple measures that could reduce pollution by a big margin. 

Minimise the impact at each level as much as possible, leave the least amount of footprint of our activities, upstream, midstream and downstream as possible, use the resources to the max. so they are not wasted or end up as a "collateral damage or loss" in achieving a primary goal, for example in refineries, try to harness and reuse as much of the heat generated for other purposes, reduce the emissions using a closed loop system, reuse of drilling fluids, water and recycling of all the produced water, frac water etc. Try to make as much of the operations and processes synergistic so the same resources, power, water etc can be used together for multiple purposes during an operation or process, apply the best available techs to max the primary and secondary goals and reducing the impact on the enviroment. More responsible use of all resources........................................................

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/05/science/kemper-coal-mississippi.html?action=click&contentCollection=World&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia  A clean coal fiasco under Obama. 

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15 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/05/science/kemper-coal-mississippi.html?action=click&contentCollection=World&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia  A clean coal fiasco under Obama. 

 

" Most of the carbon dioxide produced by the plant would be captured, compressed, sold and piped to oil fields. There, it would be pumped underground in a process known as enhanced oil recovery, to help push up previously unrecoverable oil to levels where it could be reached. "

 

This has been very successfully been done in TX and WY as well as other places for EOR with other stationary CO2 sources.

 

That is just one of the follies under that regime. Remember the Fisker Fiasco, Solyndra..........................

https://www.dailysignal.com/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/

 

 

Go back a few years earlier too and then you have massive failures of ethanol companies that were propped up by gov. $$$$

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, uncle john said:

Hi All, from a trader in Southern England where it is raining.  

 

Hello, welcome, rain is good in moderation

What are you trading? physical barrels?

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11 hours ago, Arjun said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_India

 

Even wikipedia admits that India is making impressive gains in renewable energy. The norwegians can be smug with their oil money firmly in the bank. 

I dont know about the boasting part and renewables in India... I would really , deeply worry about stable, sustainable power provided to the masses without "load shedding" (I think they still call the massive rolling widespread blackouts load shedding  in India) , clean interrupted water, proper sanitation and toilets, and modernise the sewer system, you see raw sewage/effluent flowing freely along the streets, roads, highways, into rivers etc. Clean up the massive pollution at every level that exists in India.

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Oil versus gas for business use

Businesses across the globe are constantly wrestling with the dilemma of striving to be competitive alongside being sustainable and ‘green'.

Climate change is an issue for governments and businesses alike, with energy usage a major concern and the need to consider carbon footprints, and costs.

This debate is pertinent to the 16% of the UK not serviced by the main gas grid, which relies on alternative fuels to meet its energy needs. For the majority of off-grid operations, this means a choice between oil, LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) or LNG (liquefied natural gas) for high-volume commercial applications. But what exactly are the differences between these fuels – and what should off-grid users consider when making decisions about their energy supply?

Carbon-heavy fuel

With the Committee on Climate Change urging the UK government to legislate as soon as possible to reach net zero emissions by 2050, the pressure is on all industries to adopt greener energy policies. What this means for off-grid businesses in practical terms is moving away from conventional, carbon-heavy fossil fuels. When considering the key features of oil, it's not hard to see why it's becoming an outdated off-grid option:

• Increased carbon emissions: As a major contributor to climate change, the burning of oil for heating and cooking purposes releases far higher levels of carbon into the atmosphere than more efficient off-grid fuels like LPG.
• Cost: Through a combination of factors such as dwindling oil reserves, environmental pressures and strained international relations, the price of oil remains volatile. This makes it difficult for businesses to forecast the cost of fuel and can cast doubts over the future of their supply chain.
• Maintenance: Due to its viscous nature, machines that operate on oil often take a large amount of maintenance to ensure they are running at optimum performance. This can also mean messy repairs if anything goes wrong.

Does LPG and LNG have a role?

With so many factors now working against businesses that are still using oil, it's no surprise that many are now looking for an alternative fuel supply. The good news is that there are viable off-grid alternatives that offer compelling economic, environmental and logistical benefits. LPG and LNG are two such fuels. So, what are they, and how do they compare to oil?

• Chemical makeup – LPG is a blanket term for two types of natural gas (Propane and Butane) and is a natural by-product of gas and oil extraction (66%) and oil refining (34%). LNG is composed primarily of methane and is created by cooling natural gas to an extremely low temperature (-162°C).
• Finance: Businesses can make immediate savings when switching to LPG or LNG through a reduction in energy usage.
• Carbon emissions: LPG and LNG have the lowest CO2 emissions of any 0ff-grid fossil fuels: LPG emits 36% fewer than gas oil, 22% fewer than kerosene and 17% fewer than heating oil. It also emits no black carbon (a significant contributor to climate change).
• Cleaner air: LPG and LNG are clean, smoke-free burning fuels, that emit fewer pollutant emissions, including NOx, Sox and particulate matter (PM).
• Compliant: Because they're cleaner, LPG and LNG help businesses to meet carbon and pollutant reduction targets set out in the Clean Growth Strategy, ULEZ, Marpol and Medium Combustion Plant Directive.
• Efficiency: With a higher calorific value per tonne than other liquid fuels, an LPG and LNG flame can burn hotter, releasing energy quicker. When used in conjunction with the likes of a steam boiler this can produce even greater efficiencies.
• Extensive supply: LPG and LNG are in global abundance, so business owners can rest assured that they will have a dependable source of energy when they need it most. Flogas will be significantly increasing the UK's total LPG storage capability with its new Avonmouth storage facility – the largest of its kind.
• Easy Installation: Switching from oil to gas needn't be an arduous process for businesses. Specialist LPG companies can design and install a replacement heating system to meet your business' needs. From the initial brief process to installation and even the removal of your old oil tank, with the right supplier there's the option to have everything taken care of with minimal downtime.
• Versatility: One of the main attractions of LPG is its versatility. From leisure and hospitality to agriculture and industrial heating, and even fuel for forklift trucks and fleet vehicles, LPG can be used as an energy supply for all manner of industries.

The future is green?

As the cleanest, most efficient and effective fuel compared to conventional off-grid fuels like coal, oil and electricity, switching from oil to LPG (or LNG) could help businesses energy savings, ensuring compliance with government energy policies, and cutting down on maintenance time.

 

https://www.uklpg.org/uploads/DOC5A5F2DC5A7907.pdf

https://theenergyst.com/breaking-ties-with-oil-the-case-for-lpg/

https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/net-zero-the-uks-contribution-to-stopping-global-warming/

 

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1 hour ago, ceo_energemsier said:

 

" Most of the carbon dioxide produced by the plant would be captured, compressed, sold and piped to oil fields. There, it would be pumped underground in a process known as enhanced oil recovery, to help push up previously unrecoverable oil to levels where it could be reached. "

 

This has been very successfully been done in TX and WY as well as other places for EOR with other stationary CO2 sources.

 

That is just one of the follies under that regime. Remember the Fisker Fiasco, Solyndra..........................

https://www.dailysignal.com/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/

 

 

Go back a few years earlier too and then you have massive failures of ethanol companies that were propped up by gov. $$$$

Cost and motivation are still big obstacles for carbon capture but shale operations look like beneficiaries. 

https://www.carbonbrief.org/around-the-world-in-22-carbon-capture-projects

https://sequestration.mit.edu/pdf/economics_in_technology.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

[Okie + 83]

5 hours ago, ceo_energemsier said:

" Most of the carbon dioxide produced by the plant would be captured, compressed, sold and piped to oil fields. There, it would be pumped underground in a process known as enhanced oil recovery, to help push up previously unrecoverable oil to levels where it could be reached. "

 

This has been very successfully been done in TX and WY as well as other places for EOR with other stationary CO2 sources

I worked on the Denbury(?) Green Pipeline out of Beaumont, Texas.  It involved the piping of captured carbon dioxide from coal mines (I think) and using it as a tertiary method of "slickening" the oil in wells near Galveston.  So, yes, it can be used for that.

Edited June 8, 2019 by Okie
Stupid autocorrect.