Here We Go: New York Lawmakers Pass Aggressive Law To Fight Climate Change

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New York state lawmakers passed early Thursday one of the nation’s most ambitious plans to slow climate change by reducing greenhouse gas emissions to zero by 2050.If signed into law, it would make New York the second U.S. state to aim for a carbon-neutral economy, following an executive order signed by then California Governor Jerry Brown last year to make that state carbon neutral by 2045. The marathon session stretched past 2 a.m. Thursday before the votes were tallied with 104 in favor to 35 against. Assembly member Thomas Abinanti said, before voting yes, that the bill represents hope for the future.“There’s an old adage, that we don’t inherit the Earth from our ancestors, but borrow it from our grandchildren,” he said.Assembly member Steve Englebright, a sponsor of the bill, said that the problems posed by climate change stretch beyond the borders of New York, but the state can “inspire others to act.” “This means that despite the mood of anti-science in our nation, the disbelief in Washington to climate change, that states can lead the way,” he said.

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Big a step! We will now see if everyone else will follow the example...

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Climate change is hurting everything, and  it's about time to understand it seriously...

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Just now, francoba said:

Climate change is hurting everything, and  it's about time to understand it seriously...

“By 2040, simply providing basic storm-surge protection in the form of sea walls for all coastal cities with more than 25,000 residents will require at least $42 billion, according to new estimates from the Center for Climate Integrity” 

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This sounds as a struggle between reactive vs. proactive. A lot of people don’t believe climate change is real. I'm afraid will be late for them when they understand that is not fairy tale.. .

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4 minutes ago, Pavel said:

The qey question is: who will pay for it all? Answers are easy: as things stand, taxpayers who wants keep their communities "afloat". Polluters will pay as wel as now: nothing.

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Well I'm not going to say that their not Climate change, But I do believe that theirs a lot of money riding on it if they can't prove it to the people. I keep hearing about the sea raising and towns going to be under water and I'm still fishing in the same place I have been for over 50 years, I do believe we need to be more careful with what we do with the world but at the same time I believe that a lot of this is over blown just to make more money and to control what people do. if you really do some digging the main people who say this is happening are the one's who have the most to gain and the one's who stand against them are trying to show why most of it is wrong that being put out there. In my life time I've seem them say it was warming and then we were going to have a ice age and then back to warming again and now it just Climate change and I think it because they are just guessing and people are seeing it. I have grandkids and I have done a lot of research on this so before anyone come at me and say I need to read more about it I have from all sides not just the one's who have the most to gain from it. Like I said I do believe we do need to take care of the planet and their a lot that could be done to be sure our kids and grandkids have a future, But lets look at it from all sides not just one!

 

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Ah yes, Carbon Taxes cure Climate Change.

A shocking scientific discovery: Winds affect ocean temperatures!

I am shocked to learn that winds affect ocean temperatures.  I am also surprised to learn from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that ocean currents, temperatures around the Earth, and carbon dioxide levels are all related to the Earth's rotation and the sun and that the ocean currents are on a 1,000-year cycle.

 

... The indoctrination, supported by almost all the media, is dangerous to our freedom.  People must be completely ignorant or naïve to believe that politicians, bureaucrats, and scientists can control temperatures, sea levels, and storm activity forever if we just hand over trillions of our hard-earned dollars to them.  The only thing that does is make the very wealthy D.C. area richer than it already is.

Do we believe that the government can control the temperature on the sun, the rotation of the Earth, the ocean currents, and the winds in Antarctica?  Please explain how.  The politicians who promise they can control the climate couldn't even keep their promise that we could keep our doctors and our health plans and that our premiums would go down if we just let them pass Obamacare. 

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Is this even legal?  The Oregon governor authorizing state police to arrest senators outside Oregon state lines and return them to Oregon, to force them to vote on Climate Change?  Seriously bonkers.

 

Oregon governor authorizes state police to bring GOP lawmakers back to capital for climate vote

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown (D) authorized the state police to bring Republican lawmakers back to Salem after several left the state to avoid a vote on a climate bill. 

GOP state senators walked out this week after voicing concerns over the bill’s impacts on a number of “energy intensive, trade-exposed” businesses in rural communities. Though the bill has already passed the House and Democrats hold a supermajority in the state Senate, Republicans have the numbers to deny a quorum in the upper chamber. 

“The Senate Republicans have decided to abandon their duty to serve their constituents and walk out. The Senate Democrats have requested the assistance of the Oregon State Police to bring back their colleagues to finish the work they committed to push forward for Oregonians. As the executive of the agency, I am authorizing the State Police to fulfill the Senate Democrats’ request,” Brown said in a press release. 

“It is absolutely unacceptable that the Senate Republicans would turn their back on their constituents who they are honor-bound to represent here in this building. They need to return and do the jobs they were elected to do.” 

The climate bill seeks to create a cap-and-trade system to regulate greenhouse gas emissions in several public sectors. It would be the second state to enact such legislation, after California.   ...

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I just readied about this and Senate Republicans wanted to put it up for a vote to the people not the state congress, But Democrats didn't want to do that and I wonder why. To me it seem like if they feel that good about it they should put it up to the voters.

 

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"New York Lawmakers Pass Aggressive Law To Fight Climate Change"... 'Aggressive'? 12 square miles of solar panels and 100 square miles of offshore wind turbines. It's likely that the targets will be achieved far sooner than the legislative deadlines. When Colorado passed it's RPS the power company had compliant RE installations within the year. In any case, NY will have to scale up it's objectives if it intends to be 'carbon neutral'.

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10 hours ago, damirUSBiH said:

“By 2040, simply providing basic storm-surge protection in the form of sea walls for all coastal cities with more than 25,000 residents will require at least $42 billion, according to new estimates from the Center for Climate Integrity”  

I was intrigued enough by the estimate to look at the actual report. It doesn't pass the laugh test. What level of increase is being projected that would require such substantial barriers in 21 years? Amazingly the report doesn't actually say directly - at least not that I could see. It refers to other reports. Oooookkkaayyy, what can we say about current increases in sea levels? Here is a graph of sea level increases since the early 1990s. This amounts to about 100 mm or 10 cms for the whole period or about half the height of a smallish paper back book with no acceleration apparent to any layman observer. By matching the satellite records to measurements by stuff like tidal gauges, scientists have managed to find an acceleration (I have my doubts, but never mind) but that still doesn't add up to any increases that would require these coastal communities to lift a finger. These guys are obviously expecting some sort of dramatic surge but it would help if they spelled that out rather than burbled about projections.. When can we expect this surge? What would the warning signs be? Also, cutting emissions now ain't t going to do anything about sea level increases in just 20 years or so.. waste of time..    

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5 hours ago, markslawson said:

I was intrigued enough by the estimate to look at the actual report. It doesn't pass the laugh test. What level of increase is being projected that would require such substantial barriers in 21 years? Amazingly the report doesn't actually say directly - at least not that I could see. It refers to other reports. Oooookkkaayyy, what can we say about current increases in sea levels? Here is a graph of sea level increases since the early 1990s. This amounts to about 100 mm or 10 cms for the whole period or about half the height of a smallish paper back book with no acceleration apparent to any layman observer. By matching the satellite records to measurements by stuff like tidal gauges, scientists have managed to find an acceleration (I have my doubts, but never mind) but that still doesn't add up to any increases that would require these coastal communities to lift a finger. These guys are obviously expecting some sort of dramatic surge but it would help if they spelled that out rather than burbled about projections.. When can we expect this surge? What would the warning signs be? Also, cutting emissions now ain't t going to do anything about sea level increases in just 20 years or so.. waste of time..    

SHHHH! Look at you, with your observations and data. This sort of stuff is kryptonite to climate changers. also notice that they conveniently changed anthropomorphic global warming to just climate change. When someone says, look I dont think humans have the ability to change something like this. They say look, he's a science denier. The grand solar minimum is incoming, that is why they are so desperate to pass these measures as quickly as possible. Once we enter the minimum, cooling shall start so it will get very difficult to pass legislation based on AGW.

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7 hours ago, Arjun said:

SHHHH! Look at you, with your observations and data. This sort of stuff is kryptonite to climate changers. also notice that they conveniently changed anthropomorphic global warming to just climate change. When someone says, look I dont think humans have the ability to change something like this. They say look, he's a science denier. The grand solar minimum is incoming, that is why they are so desperate to pass these measures as quickly as possible. Once we enter the minimum, cooling shall start so it will get very difficult to pass legislation based on AGW.

It's all about the money and control is what I believe! 

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20 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Is this even legal?  The Oregon governor authorizing state police to arrest senators outside Oregon state lines and return them to Oregon, to force them to vote on Climate Change?  Seriously bonkers.

 

Oregon governor authorizes state police to bring GOP lawmakers back to capital for climate vote

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown (D) authorized the state police to bring Republican lawmakers back to Salem after several left the state to avoid a vote on a climate bill. 

GOP state senators walked out this week after voicing concerns over the bill’s impacts on a number of “energy intensive, trade-exposed” businesses in rural communities. Though the bill has already passed the House and Democrats hold a supermajority in the state Senate, Republicans have the numbers to deny a quorum in the upper chamber. 

“The Senate Republicans have decided to abandon their duty to serve their constituents and walk out. The Senate Democrats have requested the assistance of the Oregon State Police to bring back their colleagues to finish the work they committed to push forward for Oregonians. As the executive of the agency, I am authorizing the State Police to fulfill the Senate Democrats’ request,” Brown said in a press release. 

“It is absolutely unacceptable that the Senate Republicans would turn their back on their constituents who they are honor-bound to represent here in this building. They need to return and do the jobs they were elected to do.” 

The climate bill seeks to create a cap-and-trade system to regulate greenhouse gas emissions in several public sectors. It would be the second state to enact such legislation, after California.   ...

There is precedent for bringing back legislators under police escort if found within the State.  There is no precedent, and no not even implausibly legal, for the State Police to travel (with their guns) across the borders and into some other State.  The standard drill if there is a vote boycott (usually done to deny quorum, thus shutting down the Legislature) is for the members of one Party to "go underground."  Just don't get caught driving down to the corner store for a bottle of vino......

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Welp, there goes the state of New York. Get out out now while you can! Just don’t come to Texas!l

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18 hours ago, Arjun said:

SHHHH! Look at you, with your observations and data. This sort of stuff is kryptonite to climate changers. also notice that they conveniently changed anthropomorphic global warming to just climate change.

I have now adopted a firm rule never to mention global warming/climate change in social gatherings, no matter what the provocation. People start yelling at me if I do, while claiming that its all about science not emotion. 

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8 hours ago, markslawson said:

I have now adopted a firm rule never to mention global warming/climate change in social gatherings, no matter what the provocation. People start yelling at me if I do, while claiming that its all about science not emotion. 

What would Bill "the mechanical engineering guy" Nye say about this?

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8 hours ago, markslawson said:

I have now adopted a firm rule never to mention global warming/climate change in social gatherings, no matter what the provocation. People start yelling at me if I do, while claiming that its all about science not emotion. 

You could tell people that the co-founder of netflix (the one name they always seem to miss out on) is Marc Randolph, full name Marc Bearnays Randolph. His paternal grand uncle was Edward Bearnays, the father of propaganda and was also related to Sigmund Freud. So netflix is actually a propaganda outlet facilitating this mass hysteria about climate change and veganism. Forks over knives, man bear pig, will make sense now. Funny how people seem to be related.

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17 hours ago, James said:

Welp, there goes the state of New York. Get out out now while you can! Just don’t come to Texas!l

With 22 GW of wind turbines and 3Gw of solar, Texas already exceeds NY's wind mandate by at least 2:1 and is half way to the New York PV mandate.

"Growth Projection and Ranking: 7,787 MW over the next 5 years (ranks 3rd)" SEIA projection for Texas as of 2019Q1.

Keyword search 'Blue Wing Road' on Google maps to find the map area captured below. It's just south of San Antonio.

My power bill in San Marcos, Texas in 2017 was 8.5 cents per Kwh. I had subscribed to a 'pure' RE plan, otherwise my power would have cost 8 cents per Kwh.

The problem with New Yorkers in Texas has more to do with "I'll have my people call your people". Actually this is mostly NYC, upstaters don't talk like that much.

In Texas, if you need a plumber, you call them yourself. Intermediaries suck.

 

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12 hours ago, Meredith Poor said:

With 22 GW of wind turbines and 3Gw of solar, Texas already exceeds NY's wind mandate by at least 2:1 and is half way to the New York PV mandate.

Meredith - what'll you find on closer inspection is that this means very little and sort-of amounts to a scam. Overall EIA data points to about 5.6 per cent of power in USA being generated by wind, another 2.6 per cent is listed as "other" which would include solar (plus diesel and some odds and ends). When the Texas renewable assets are generating full tilt to the point of exceeding the state's demand, the excess power is  exported while Texas claims that the part it takes is renewable. Texas more or less has its own grid, so the question becomes how big are the grids around it (not states, grids which may include several states), and how much intermittent capacity they have, and how good are the interconnectors. Price barely matters in this context (it regularly goes down to zero in Europe). At present wind's overall share of generation is manageable, and never mind the press releases issued by individual states, but if states like NY start building serious renewable capacity without proper back-up then there will be serious trouble.  

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5 hours ago, markslawson said:

if states like NY start building serious renewable capacity without proper back-up then there will be serious trouble.  

^ important point, usually overlooked by most media and most politicians.

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On 6/22/2019 at 8:18 PM, markslawson said:

When the Texas renewable assets are generating full tilt to the point of exceeding the state's demand, the excess power is  exported while Texas claims that the part it takes is renewable. 

The highest wind power output Texas has ever generated is about 19Gw, which at the time was about 54% of total ERCOT demand. Texas has never 'exported a surplus of power'. There are some conventional power plants situated on the OK or LA border that can either participate in ERCOT or in the Eastern Grid, but they can't do both at once. My information on this is dated, so these plants may no longer be operating.

There is a project called Southern Cross that is intended to wheel power from West Texas to Mississippi. At the moment this is still in a design and approval phase, there is no construction going on that I'm aware of.

Some parts of Texas are either in the Eastern or Western grids, so ERCOT only deals with the 'meat in the middle'. El Paso is in the Western/Pacific grid. So there may be some 'exporting', but it isn't from the vast collection of wind farms in the middle of the state.

Edited June 25, 2019 by Meredith Poor
Used Mw when I should have used Gw.

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2 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

^ important point, usually ovetlooked by most media and most politicians.

Los Angeles is on the same path.