'No - Deal Brexit' vs 'Operation Fear' Globalist Pushback ... Impact to World Economies and Oil

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

7 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

I give to charity, not huge amount but regular. 

I also pay a lot of taxes and have no children - I'm a net contributer.

I've quite literally paid millions in taxes. I'm more than confident I've "paid my fair share". Net contributor indeed. 

As for your other post? I'm not the least surprised your best college class was sucking up to a communist professor. Useful idiots indeed. 

[DocManfred + 42]

13 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Umm, Okie dokey 

EU market !

[Alex Palamas + 52]

once again.. 

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Alex Palamas + 52]

11 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Short excerpt below, full article in the link:

President Trump and Prime Minister Boris Johnson Discuss “Big Trade Deal”

The structure of the global trade reset is visible.  The China decoupling is underway; the scale of this geopolitical dynamic is incredible.

KORUS (Korea-US) is in the books; the North American USMCA is complete, pending ratification; the EU has agreed to purchase U.S. beef exports; and effective today the Japan-US deal is agreed in principle (sans auto and industrial products TBD).  Now President Trump is working on a post-Brexit UK-US bilateral package.

 

...

 

 

Well Done Tom, amazing journalism-blogging-whatever.. I wonder why you spent all this time writing, endless and long tabloid bits?? Seriously tho.. The reason I am asking is that the people reading here (minus few exceptions) are so fanatical towards Brexit and so pro-Trump and BoJo that feels really aimless writing your stuff..

Are you just trying to keep your fellas happy and "informed", perhaps give an extra reason to be fanatic or what? You seem like a smart guy so u must know that the very few (and fanatically down-voted) contributors of the opposite side are not going to change their mind with your simplistic posts.. I am sure you know that.. You can try firing some facts, real facts (I have tried but feels increasingly aimless so apologies for polluting your blog), but a constant barrage of self-assuring tabloid material is over the top dont you think??

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Alex Palamas + 52]

16 hours ago, Tommie77 said:

That must mean that you think you are really smart.

Carry on...

He is being humorous again, cant u tell?? The classic modus operandi of the elegant tabloid extremist.. Writes endless pointless semi-truths, gets loved and congratulated by his mindless cheerleaders and then he complains that someone insults him completely incorrectly as well.. Very smart indeed as this approach works.. 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Alex Palamas + 52]

On 8/25/2019 at 5:13 AM, kshithij Sharma said:

No person is superman that he deserves to be rich. There is no rationale that one person working as a IT professional gets 4 times the pay as that of a person working as supervisor in automobile manufacturing sector. The IT professional doesn't do 4 times tr amount or quality of work.

Similarly, the richness of poorness in various other fields depend on variety of factors, mostly political bias that tilts the economy to favour certain fields. This has to be corrected by political intervention as the problem of inequity arises due to political reasons.

Communism was right in many ways. The idea that communism was wrong and hence lost is incorrect. What lost was not communism but atheism. If atheism was not linked with communism, there would not be any capitalist country left today.

The simplistic reasoning and your uneducated logic is telling.. One thing is certain, you are not alone man.. 

[Alex Palamas + 52]

On 8/23/2019 at 1:26 PM, Douglas Buckland said:

I would love to see the UK do a hard exit from the EU and not pay that bunch of clowns for the opportunity to become a fully sovereign nation again.

There will likely be some 'bumps in the road', but a small price to pay to get your nation back.

I sincerely hope the US offers them any assistance required to ease the transition as the Special Relationship between our two nations is alive and well regardless of what you may see or read in the media.

I wish if you could name few rules or laws that are handed by the EU to the UK and that affect the sovereignty of the country, that affect the liberty and personal freedom of the individual.. 

I hope, as u seem, that at least u know how the EU system works and what are the aims and objectives.. Anyway, I totally understand the angloamerican fanaticism against the EU, it is a state of political mind beyond reality or reason.. I just wish people were simply blunt and straight about it.. Perhaps accept the real tribal reasons behind it rather than re-chew and re-spit the semi-truths and populist tropes provided by your rulers about the subject just to keep the anti-EU masses compacted and reactive.. 

I am being very honest, I have noted that the most fanatical people (about leaving the EU) are also the least able to explain why, by using real facts and logical reasoning..  

[Alex Palamas + 52]

On 8/24/2019 at 5:40 PM, kshithij Sharma said:

My observation in life says that people who talk directly are more or less better people whereas people who impose artificial politeness tend to act as backstabbers and cowards during time of need. So, given a choice, I would go with the people who talk directly as I would be more familiar with their intentions due to their direct talk. People who talk politely almost always hold some ulterior motives.

The poor people are most affected when additional people are brought in as substitute for them. The rich people have enough already and small reduction would not matter much. The ones to blame are not doctors, engineers but the government which has deliberately intervened to make most important commodities like food cheaper than unimportant commodities like mobile phones and capital intensive goods. Mind you that these capital intensive goods are a result of government funding, not some private genius doing everything single handed. So, it is rather unfair that the government investment gives unfair dividend by creating inequality. If one creates more problem by simply bringing in less qualified people without reason in the name of EU solidarity, the poor will be worst affected. It is quite reasonable demand from poor to ask for quitting such a system. 

Yes, it is a fact that organising of people takes resources. People may form random crowd on their own but if there has to be coordinated march/parade, then there has to be funding. People will not simply march without being properly tutored to do so and such tutoring requires resources. Only other way of getting people to come out is through espousing a cause and calling out those in powers as traitors. But such actions can result in uncontrolled anger and riots.

You have not answered to what I was saying above.. Not that I was expecting anything reasonable but just to be certain.. Happy voting, your country needs you..

[Alex Palamas + 52]

On 8/24/2019 at 8:43 PM, Ward Smith said:

You have legitimate data that supports these contentions? Opinion pieces don't count, nor does "exit polling" that interviewed 12 people in one pub on the Guardian's expense tab   

He is exaggerating, he is acting like the majority of people writing in this blog, but he is on the other side of the populist coin, fine.. here are some stats tho.. You might find interesting info:

Apologies if you know them

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491

This is an academic article published by economists in "Economic Policy" an academic journal (I have heard this generalisation before for my lot, bad experts doing number crunching, lies and conspiracies to support a liberal view of things..). The paper (conference proceeding more correctly) has been cited 225 times by other sources.. I am sure it can be disputed anytime.

There is a clear correlation between education and voting preference.. I dont think this is just based on the liberal conspiracy.. Not all voters with a PhD (for example) are afflicted by conspiracy brainwash and certainly not many of them are wealthy so you cannot assign them perhaps to the "elite" at least in the UK were elite almost flatly means money..  

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/

"The AB social group were the only social group among whom a majority voted to remain (57%). C1s divided fairly evenly; nearly two thirds of C2DEs (64%) voted to leave the EU." 

"A majority (57%) of those with a university degree voted to remain, as did 64% of those with a higher degree and more than four in five (81%) of those still in full time education. Among those whose formal education ended at secondary school or earlier, a large majority voted to leave"

Could also care to add the news outlets and newspapers preferences of the different socioeconomic groups to see which group is more likely to be affected by strong-worded propaganda.. I will spare you from naming the specific media outlets and newspapers.. 

There are so many other sources on this subject that it would be pedantic for me to add.. You can find easily!!

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Alex Palamas + 52]

15 hours ago, Nick Lilley said:

Oh Dear- Mr Tidy Beard put me on the Naughty Step earlier today- Time to watch my manners.

For those in the US, you won't get to understand Brexit unless you go onto some of the websites for Leave and Remain supporters. One thing which will become apparent to you is that there an awful lot of very intelligent, well educated, non racist Leavers and they absolutely hate being sterotyped as ill educated, xenophobes,' Little Englanders' or racist hooligans. (which is why us Remainers do it, and why I've had a double warning for doing so)

These well-educated are a minority and certainly do not visit this site man!! I feel for you, it is aimless to blog in here, it is like trying to convince animals in the zoo to visit a concert in a church..

[Alex Palamas + 52]

14 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

So, to be clear, you know you're wrong and you purposely do it, to be a troll, then complain you've been reprimanded, for being a troll? That about sum it up there buckwheat? 

Yes but lets be honest, the level of fanaticism, trolling and low quality information is crazy here.. It feels a bit unfair picking on this guy only  

[Alex Palamas + 52]

On 8/24/2019 at 8:35 PM, Ward Smith said:

What pray tell, is the obligatory minimum "fair tax" owed by the rich "to the benefit" of the middle class and the poor? 

I'm rich, you're poor, so I "owe" you money? 

Communist, much? Or is this still called socialist rather than that old fashioned word, theft? 

I agree with you, people with money owe nobody but those who choose to give.. I admire those who make money using creativity, brains and innovation.. Real problem is that voters and the average man are totally ignorant about financial liberty, personal freedom, politics or economics.. The concept of the EU or the UKs struggle to leave is irrelevant.. 

We should accept that there is no free market.. There is nanny-state corporate capitalism.. the plutocrats have bend the real free market to work for them by ensuring the state is doing the dirty job for them.. Meanwhile, our individual freedom, innovation and creativity is destroyed by taxes and govt intervention.. Problem is that most plutocrats did not work for it (there are glowing exceptions).. Most of them were placed in an uncompetitive position of strength by the state which is copulating with them to ensure govt and social stability.. 

This is not the fault of the EU and its relaxed super-national trade and coop rules, I think.. If we dont destroy the nanny-state, if we dont liberate free market off state intervention, if we dont prevent people with extreme wealth (often not created by innovation and creativity but handed down by family) from mingling and lobbying govt decisions, then we cannot talk about true personal, social and political freedom..

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

29 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

He is exaggerating, he is acting like the majority of people writing in this blog, but he is on the other side of the populist coin, fine.. here are some stats tho.. You might find interesting info:

Apologies if you know them

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491

This is an academic article published by economists in "Economic Policy" an academic journal (I have heard this generalisation before for my lot, bad experts doing number crunching, lies and conspiracies to support a liberal view of things..). The paper (conference proceeding more correctly) has been cited 225 times by other sources.. I am sure it can be disputed anytime.

There is a clear correlation between education and voting preference.. I dont think this is just based on the liberal conspiracy.. Not all voters with a PhD (for example) are afflicted by conspiracy brainwash and certainly not many of them are wealthy so you cannot assign them perhaps to the "elite" at least in the UK were elite almost flatly means money..  

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/

"The AB social group were the only social group among whom a majority voted to remain (57%). C1s divided fairly evenly; nearly two thirds of C2DEs (64%) voted to leave the EU." 

"A majority (57%) of those with a university degree voted to remain, as did 64% of those with a higher degree and more than four in five (81%) of those still in full time education. Among those whose formal education ended at secondary school or earlier, a large majority voted to leave"

Could also care to add the news outlets and newspapers preferences of the different socioeconomic groups to see which group is more likely to be affected by strong-worded propaganda.. I will spare you from naming the specific media outlets and newspapers.. 

There are so many other sources on this subject that it would be pedantic for me to add.. You can find easily!!

The fact is, a vote was taken in the UK and the majority of voters chose, for whatever reason, to exit the EU. You can quote any source you like, but this fact is indisputable. 

That being the case, in a democratic society, the government should work to exit the EU. They should not second guess their constituents or it makes a joke out of their system of government.

Do you agree or disagree?

[Alex Palamas + 52]

3 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

The fact is, a vote was taken in the UK and the majority of voters chose, for whatever reason, to exit the EU. You can quote any source you like, but this fact is indisputable. 

That being the case, in a democratic society, the government should work to exit the EU. They should not second guess their constituents or it makes a joke out of their system of government.

Do you agree or disagree?

I totally agree my friend, categorically, I have said this multiple times, to you as well!! The UK should go fast!! Totally agree the referendum needs to be upheld in full!! 

As a free and educated man, always trying to use logic and reason when I think or act, I want to keep reminding those that voted this or that to know exactly what they voted for and why!! That is all.. I hate ignorance, hate it.. I need to highlight what I think is true! I am simply prodding those with ignorant opinions, I cannot stand that our social tribalism and strong opinions is based on ignorance..

 

 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

2 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

I totally agree my friend, categorically, I have said this multiple times, to you as well!! The UK should go fast!! Totally agree the referendum needs to be upheld in full!! 

As a free and educated man, always trying to use logic and reason when I think or act, I want to keep reminding those that voted this or that to know exactly what they voted for and why!! That is all.. I hate ignorance, hate it.. I need to highlight what I think is true! I am simply prodding those with ignorant opinions, I cannot stand that our social tribalism and strong opinions is based on ignorance..

 

 

Do you live in the UK? Do you have 'skin in the game' (that is, does Brexit affect you)?

[Alex Palamas + 52]

1 minute ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Do you live in the UK? Do you have 'skin in the game' (that is, does Brexit affect you)?

I am not sure what are you trying to extract so let me repeat once again, as I have done multiple times above (easy to check what I ve written), I totally support UK leaving the EU given that this is the vote of the referendum.. This should not be reversed.. 

Nevertheless, while I understand its limitations and problems, I believe in the EU socially and politically.. I think is a worthy project that can be improved and is already rather good in comparison to many other places, pedantic to mention details.. 

Based on facts, realities and knowledge, Brexit will affect me and will likely make my professional sector more challenging.. I am adapting for sometime now and hope my adaptation process pays back.. 

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

On 8/22/2019 at 4:14 PM, Kit Moore said:

EU law takes precedence over any National law - see below link and in particular "Community law penetrates inside the legal systems of Member States and takes precedence over all national laws in the courts of the Member States"

https://lawyersforbritain.org/brexit-legal-guide/eu-law-and-the-ecj/eu-law-the-ecj-and-primacy-over-national-laws

This is technically true, but it must in context : 

1) The rules that come from "up high" are made by the parliament and commission. You have direct and in-direct influence on who sits there. 

2) Many states have exemptions to treaties

And additionally things needs to be put in perspective - the EUs main responsibillity is trade. Now, when negotiating trade deals you have to agree with atleast one other party. my guess is that EU as a block has a lot more power than any individual country; united we stand, divided we fall. 

I have a question for you : have you considered that by engagning in the political process and taking an interest in European politics (i.e. make this part of your selection criteria when voting for a candidate for UK parliament) you could have a better impact ? 

p.s. to re-iterate : the referendum  was a leave and it needs to be executed, I agree. 

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

37 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

Real problem is that voters and the average man are totally ignorant about financial liberty, personal freedom, politics or economics..

So true. And as a result the political debate in the West is totally focused on micro optimising in the short term for the individual. And this makes me worry about my kids' future... 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

I asked if you were British or resided in the UK as that lends more merit to your opinion. I would have asked the same question of those who comment about the trade war between the US and China.

Brexit may affect you, but if you are not British then your opinion, although valid, does not count. There were obviously some reasons that displeased a majority of the British voters to force them to seek an exit from the UK.

Many people do not believe that the EU is either socially or politically attractive, and their opinion is just as valid as yours or mine, this does not make them ignorant.

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

3 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Brexit may affect you, but if you are not British then your opinion, although valid, does not count.

Actually, if you live in an EU country you should have an (informed) opinion as Brexit will also affect the EU. As "EU citizens" we theorectically could affect how our representatives in the EU deal with Brexit. 

This is fundamentally what I am talking when I say taking an interest and engaging in the political processes. 

6 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Many people do not believe that the EU is either socially or politically attractive, and their opinion is just as valid as yours or mine, this does not make them ignorant.

True. But the question that is being raised is - why? is

1) ideological reasons

2) financial - i.e. we would be better off without the EU. 

State which and argue why. The financial one is somewhat quantifiable. 

[Alex Palamas + 52]

2 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

I asked if you were British or resided in the UK as that lends more merit to your opinion. I would have asked the same question of those who comment about the trade war between the US and China.

Brexit may affect you, but if you are not British then your opinion, although valid, does not count. There were obviously some reasons that displeased a majority of the British voters to force them to seek an exit from the UK.

Many people do not believe that the EU is either socially or politically attractive, and their opinion is just as valid as yours or mine, this does not make them ignorant.

Correct but pls note, I am not discussing the validity of the Brexit vote but instead the validity of the voters' reasoning behind it.. 

As I mentioned multiple times, my opinion is a protest towards the exaggerations and half-truths that the electorate (the compact majority of the electorate) were given to make their decision.. I am saying very honestly, from the inside you can really tell that people did not vote out for legit reasons but because were indoctrinated weird facts by bad-quality newspapers and populist rulers!! You see what I mean?? The compact majority voted based on misinformation (largely on both sides as well).. I am protesting that such misinformation is being re-blogged and re-chewed with no end..

I am the biggest advocate of freedom of thought!! I wish people truly knew what they are voting for.. But to get there, people need to know real facts, need to know history and need to have true education that allows decisions based on logic..

[Alex Palamas + 52]

6 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Actually, if you live in an EU country you should have an (informed) opinion as Brexit will also affect the EU. As "EU citizens" we theorectically could affect how our representatives in the EU deal with Brexit. 

This is fundamentally what I am talking when I say taking an interest and engaging in the political processes. 

totally correct..

[Alex Palamas + 52]

43 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

This is technically true, but it must in context : 

1) The rules that come from "up high" are made by the parliament and commission. You have direct and in-direct influence on who sits there. 

2) Many states have exemptions to treaties

And additionally things needs to be put in perspective - the EUs main responsibillity is trade. Now, when negotiating trade deals you have to agree with atleast one other party. my guess is that EU as a block has a lot more power than any individual country; united we stand, divided we fall. 

I have a question for you : have you considered that by engagning in the political process and taking an interest in European politics (i.e. make this part of your selection criteria when voting for a candidate for UK parliament) you could have a better impact ? 

p.s. to re-iterate : the referendum  was a leave and it needs to be executed, I agree. 

Key thing here is that the link provided is totally creepy hahaaa..

EU law is designed largely to protect free movement of goods, services, capital and labour.. The law obviously tries to ensure that lateral issues that affect these pillars are taken into account, check for example our EU driving licences, a rather unintrusive aspect of life in the EU, of course molested by populists.. Some sort of normalisation in driving is needed so people can move around.. the law will have some issues covered etc.. Other finer examples exist..

One major aspect that the Brits of course negatively paint is the ECJ.. They falsely claim that it destroys the democratic process, as if the average Jo in the UK knows how the MPs legislate or how judges decide (they were labelled enemies of the people a year ago..).. But the actual reality is that the ECJ has only acted in few and limited cases and only to ensure that peoples fundamental rights are not raped by their state.. There are exceptions of course, but will die before being able to list all "exceptions" made by sovereign states quashing the rights of their citizens.. anyway yes small letters..

I understand why the average football-glued, beer-drinker feels personally violated by the ECJ..

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

30 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Actually, if you live in an EU country you should have an (informed) opinion as Brexit will also affect the EU. As "EU citizens" we theorectically could affect how our representatives in the EU deal with Brexit. 

This is fundamentally what I am talking when I say taking an interest and engaging in the political processes. 

True. But the question that is being raised is - why? is

1) ideological reasons

2) financial - i.e. we would be better off without the EU. 

State which and argue why. The financial one is somewhat quantifiable. 

The why, although a reasonable exercise, is fairly immaterial once the votes have been counted.

Many times perception is more powerful than reality and never under estimate emotion.

Yes, it would be instructive to know why so many Britons wanted to leave the EU, simply as a political exercise as it should not effect the exit.

I would guess that this was driven by idealogical reasons and the 'appearance' that the EU was set up to benefit France and Germany, that the UK was being forced to abide by rulings made from afar, immigration issues and a fear of being forced to help bail out struggling EU members who did not appear to be good financial stewards.

At the end of the day, the British made a decision and everyone should respect it.

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

39 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

Correct but pls note, I am not discussing the validity of the Brexit vote but instead the validity of the voters' reasoning behind it.. 

As I mentioned multiple times, my opinion is a protest towards the exaggerations and half-truths that the electorate (the compact majority of the electorate) were given to make their decision.. I am saying very honestly, from the inside you can really tell that people did not vote out for legit reasons but because were indoctrinated weird facts by bad-quality newspapers and populist rulers!! You see what I mean?? The compact majority voted based on misinformation (largely on both sides as well).. I am protesting that such misinformation is being re-blogged and re-chewed with no end..

I am the biggest advocate of freedom of thought!! I wish people truly knew what they are voting for.. But to get there, people need to know real facts, need to know history and need to have true education that allows decisions based on logic..

It is extremely difficult, in this day and age, for anyone, anywhere to get fair, accurate and truthful news.

The media on both sides of the political divide seems to believe that the average citizen is too ignorant to form a valid opinion if given only the facts and have decided that they will spin or bias the 'real' news to guide us in forming an opinion.

By the same token, many people simply believe what they are told and will not put forth the effort to study and research any given issue.

The misinformed fall on both sides of any issue.