A legitimate Request: France Wants Progress In Ukraine Before Russia Returns To G7

[Pavel + 384]

Russia’s readmission to the Group of Seven nations depends on progress in Ukraine peace talks, a French diplomatic source said, responding to comments by U.S. President Donald Trump that Moscow should be allowed to rejoin the group. Trump said on Tuesday it would be appropriate to let Russia return to the G7 group of advanced industrialized countries, telling reporters at the White House that his Democrat predecessor Barack Obama had wanted Russia out of what used to be the G8. It is not the first time that Trump has floated the idea of Russia getting back together with the G7, which groups the United States, Germany, Japan, France, Britain, Italy and Canada. Their leaders meet this weekend in the southwestern French town of Biarritz. France holds the group’s rotating chair this year and will hand over to the United States in 2020. CNN reported that in a call with Trump on Tuesday, French President Emmanuel Macron had suggested Russia return to the fold next year. The French source neither confirmed nor denied that Macron had made the suggestion. Until now, Macron has repeatedly said there had to be progress on the crisis in Ukraine before Russia could return to the G7.

[Boat + 1,323]

Russia is a constant source of military threat to the interests of all 7 nations. The best advice for those 7 nations is to become energy free from Russian threat. 

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[francoba + 93]

The different approaches between allies allow for a better position of Russia: in the last few years, Putin's influence in the Middle East is growing,  and a close link with NK and China are getting on intensity, diplomatic connection with Turkey is better than ever...

[Pavel + 384]

 After all, the "geostrategic experts" will change their minds and find an ally in Russia. I bet. I can already see the phrases and justification: "... it´s necessary that world powers work together... If we isolate Moscow, Putin can create..."

 

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5 hours ago, Pavel said:

 After all, the "geostrategic experts" will change their minds and find an ally in Russia. I bet. I can already see the phrases and justification: "... it´s necessary that world powers work together... If we isolate Moscow, Putin can create..."

 

Pavel, do you see any possibility that ruler for life Putin will ever become a non threatening partner of the whole of Europe? What does Russia gain by being the junior sidekick of China? Russia is no longer communist. Russia is no longer atheist, it just wants to totally control Christianity, It only wants the Russian Orthodox Church. Mentioning religion outside of the church is now illegal in Russia. I think that move by Putin was an unforced error. 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

...and what did the G7 nations do while Russia invaded the Ukraine...🤔

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

40 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

...and what did the G7 nations do while Russia invaded the Ukraine...🤔

They bought more and more Russian gas, Russian oil, Russian timber, Russian hookers, .....   It is a long list. 

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1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

They bought more and more Russian gas, Russian oil, Russian timber, Russian hookers, .....   It is a long list. 

Okay, the Russian hookers are understandable, the rest is baffling.

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1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Okay, the Russian hookers are understandable, the rest is baffling.

Are Russian Hookers being traded on the stock market as it appears to be a good investment based on the comments on this forum, between KSA and G(spot price)7....

Edited August 25, 2019 by James Regan

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2 minutes ago, James Regan said:

Are Russian Hookers being traded on the stock market as it appears to be a good investment based on the comments on this forum, between KSA and G(spot price)7....

I think the correct term would be 'pimped' on the stock market. I don't think this is allowed...yet.

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4 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

They bought more and more Russian gas, Russian oil, Russian timber, Russian hookers, .....   It is a long list. 

Its the small things that make the difference in conciliation.....

Edited August 25, 2019 by James Regan

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

1 minute ago, James Regan said:

Why do you think the Russians wanted Ukraine, beautiful people.

Remember that, historically, Ukraine was the breadbasket of Russia.  The attachment today is purely emotional; prior to the Russian invasions, the largest trading partner of Ukraine was Russia, and I think vice versa.  And lots of Ukrainians speak Russian. Now, for Ukraine to drift over to the West, the arch-rival of Russia, was just unbearable to Putin, mostly because he wants to re-create the old USSR.  The idea of a Czarist empire is just such a goal that Putin cannot abide seeing Ukraine being truly independent.  So it is not logic, nor rational, it is just emotional. 

Everything else you hear is rationalization.  There is this nonsense about Sevastopol and being a base on the Black Sea, but hey, today Russia is a third-world power  (albeit with lots of nuclear weapons, which is scary), with a  GNP below that of Italy. The days of being competitors to the English are long over.  There is no "Great Game."   England conquered Scotland some 700 years ago.  If the people of Scotland wanted to separate and leave, to create their own country with their own King, do you seriously think that the UK Prime Minister would send in the Royal Marines?  Nobody does that any more.  Self-determination is recognized as a universal right. 

To demonstrate just how emotionally disturbed Putin really is, think of the relationship between the USA and Canada.  Can you imagine the USA saying, "Nova Scotia is populated by white people from Europe, so are we, so it must become part of the USA," and then invading Halifax with the Navy?  Unthinkable. But this is where Putin's mind is.  The man is nuts. And now you know why the Baltic States are so scared they will be next.  

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41 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

I think the correct term would be 'pimped' on the stock market. I don't think this is allowed...yet.

It got securitized by Wall Street and the Bond Rating Agencies, Fitch, Moody's, and Standard & Poors,  all rate them AAA. 

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7 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

...and what did the G7 nations do while Russia invaded the Ukraine...🤔

What did they do when they were invading syria, iraq, libya etc

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On 8/21/2019 at 2:45 PM, Pavel said:

Russia’s readmission to the Group of Seven nations depends on progress in Ukraine peace talks, a French diplomatic source said, responding to comments by U.S. President Donald Trump that Moscow should be allowed to rejoin the group. Trump said on Tuesday it would be appropriate to let Russia return to the G7 group of advanced industrialized countries, telling reporters at the White House that his Democrat predecessor Barack Obama had wanted Russia out of what used to be the G8. It is not the first time that Trump has floated the idea of Russia getting back together with the G7, which groups the United States, Germany, Japan, France, Britain, Italy and Canada. Their leaders meet this weekend in the southwestern French town of Biarritz. France holds the group’s rotating chair this year and will hand over to the United States in 2020. CNN reported that in a call with Trump on Tuesday, French President Emmanuel Macron had suggested Russia return to the fold next year. The French source neither confirmed nor denied that Macron had made the suggestion. Until now, Macron has repeatedly said there had to be progress on the crisis in Ukraine before Russia could return to the G7.

Russia should distance themselves from the crooked selfserving and self appointing alliance that the g team

[Tomasz + 1,608]

 Small problem with this initiative is the fact that  is Russia doesnt want to join G-7 anymore because finds G-20 more suitable for its national interest and bet big on China not West in the future.

Ukraine is red line and case for russian national security. Maidan backed by West was one bridge too far.

As I said many times on this forum Russia will NEVER allow Ukraine to join hostile military pact. Sorry but no and a result is russian-chinese alliance and New Cold War. If you Ukraine to join NATO or European Union you simply need to win WW3. Another option is partition of Ukraine because its so divided country.

I suggest reading this article from Foreign Affairs

https://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/Ukraine Article in Foreign Affairs.pdf

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/when-russians-were-americanophiles/

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Americans would have to acknowledge that Russians do not have a kneejerk hatred of America, and that the “loss of Russia” was largely of their own doing. The arrogant refusal to take into account Russian interests after the Cold War, instead bombing their allies, expanding NATO to Russian borders in contravention of verbal commitments made to the USSR, and for all intents and purposes treating it as a defeated Power, may have made sense when it seemed that the US would be the world’s dominant hyperpower for the foreseeable future and Russia was doomed to die anyway – as was conventional wisdom by the late 1990s. And from a purely Realpolitik perspective, the results have hardly been catastrophic; the US gained a geopolitical foothold in Eastern Europe, tied up further European integration into an Atlantic framework, and closed off the possibility of the “Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok” envisaged by Charles de Gaulle. On the other hand, in a world where China is fast becoming a peer competitor – with the implicit backing of a resentful Russia – this may, in retrospect, not have been the best long-term play.

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Tomasz

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2 hours ago, JR EWING said:

What did they do when they were invading syria, iraq, libya etc

Yep, you're right, the G7 nations invaded Syria, Iraq and Libya.

Take your medication and go back to sleep. You'll see things more clearly in the morning...

[JR EWING + 123]

Go back to your msm. It suits admirably your completely indoctrinated mind. 

G7 is nothing but a bunch of schmucks that attack at will anyone who doesnt see their point of view. Remind you of anyone on this forum.

Does US have military on the ground in syria. Its considered an aggression by that sovereign country, oh and uk and french forces are there too. Did iraq invite the US. No. Did libya invite US, italy, france or uk. No.

Sooner they all fcuk off and mind their own business the sooner the ME will sort its self out. Because 150 years of a european and 70 years of US intervention, invasion, occupation isnt working. 

Not to mention the cost to the taxpayer in those countries, all to control a narrative in the past tense.

Diplomacy by military intervention isnt diplomacy. 

US has lost its foot hold in ME. And according to folk on here the US doesnt need the ME now. So as they say "heres your hat and whats your hurry".