Who's Afraid Of Whom? - American Politics I

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Man, I want to get away from US (and UK) politics, it’s too depressing and I’ve already covered it so much. But I keep getting drawn back in by the nonsensical propaganda out there. I read a lot of stuff every single day, and every single piece is starting to look like any other. I took the following from the Guardian, but it could have been any MSM outlet really. The whole thing is one big insult to my one remaining brain cell (which I’m trying to kill but can’t find).

Authored by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,  (not by Day Trader, although I admittedly could have written the above almost word for word). This article is quite long, but it's gold. Democrats will enjoy it I'm sure. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whos-afraid-whom

First: if you see written or otherwise pronounced anywhere that Donald Trump fears Joe Biden, in elections or anywhere else, you’re reading propaganda. Trump has no reason to be afraid of Biden. Not that he minds the Democrats thinking he is. Second: if you see people claiming that accusations about Biden’s ‘dealings’ in Ukraine are unproven, remember that they’ve never been investigated. Maybe a Special Counsel would be an idea. Say, three years and $40 million? Let’s see after that.

Despite the lack of scrutiny, both from the DOJ and the media, we do know that Hunter Biden was paid $50,000 a month by Ukrainian energy company Burisma for not knowing anything about gas, oil or Ukraine. And we know from a Ukrainian MP that Joe Biden himself was paid $900,000 by Burisma. Those are not unproven allegations, as almost every outlet calls them. And they sure as hell ain’t unfounded.

Plus, Trump has every right to ask questions about this, whether in the US or elsewhere. Where he won’t be able to ask questions, if Pelosi and Schiff have their way, is in the fake impeachment inquiry. There he may not even be able to bring a lawyer. Who’s afraid of whom exactly, and of what? Here’s that Guardian piece:

‘He’s Laughing At Us’: Joe Biden For First Time Calls For Trump To Be Impeached 

Joe Biden has for the first time called for Donald Trump to be impeached for abusing the powers of his office to help his own re-election. Delivering a blistering 25-minute speech at a campaign event in New Hampshire on Wednesday, Biden, the former vice-president under Barack Obama, departed from his usual campaign pitch and signalled that he will aggressively confront Trump as the president pushes unfounded accusations that Biden and his son Hunter had nefarious dealings in Ukraine. 

Trump is “shooting holes in the constitution”, Biden said, by asking foreign powers to interfere in the 2020 election by pursuing dirt on the Bidens and then refusing to cooperate with a resulting House impeachment inquiry. “This is a president who has decided this nation doesn’t have the tools, the power, the political will” to punish bad behavior, Biden said, cataloguing a litany of Trump’s misdeeds that he said warrant impeachment. “He’s not just testing us,” Biden said. “He’s laughing at us.” Trump retorted via Twitter. “So pathetic,” he wrote.

It is curious. The entire fake impeachment inquiry is based on Trump pursuing dirt on Biden, specifically in his phone call with Ukraine president Zelensky. Something Zelensky himself more than once has squarely denied ever happened. What must he think of the US, when his denials are completely ignored? What did happen, says John Solomon, is that a DNC contractor solicited Trump dirt in 2016 in Ukraine. Given the above, is it any wonder Zelensky’s said he’d be happy to investigate what happened in Ukraine in 2016? He might take a look at the Biden family while he’s at it. 

Nancy Pelosi, the House of Representatives speaker and the most powerful Democrat in Congress, announced an impeachment inquiry against Trump on 24 September after a whistleblower alleged the White House had attempted to cover up a July call between Trump and the Ukrainian president. At issue is the question of whether Trump abused his office by using its power to his own political advantage, by pushing a Ukrainian investigation of Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. 

There is no evidence to support Trump’s claims that Biden exploited his influence as vice-president to aid his son or his business. Biden on Wednesday again condemned Trump’s “lies and smears and distortion” and said the president peddles them because he fears facing Biden in a general election. “He’s trying to create a campaign where truth and facts are irrelevant,” Biden said, adding that the spectacle covers the president’s “manifest incompetence”. “We’re not going to let Donald Trump pick the Democratic nominee for president,” Biden added. “I’m not going to let him get away with it. He’s picked a fight with the wrong guy.”

Joe, Joe, Trump didn’t pick a fight with you. And he’s not scared of you either (but he loves for you to think he is). You’re flattering yourself. And you’re not some tough guy either, you’ve lived on Capitol Hill for too long to be tough. 

Without evidence, and contrary to the accounts of several Ukrainian officials, Trump has claimed Biden used his role as vice-president to protect his son from corruption investigations when he pressed for the firing of the top Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, during Obama’s second term. Ukrainian officials, including one Shokin successor, have disputed Trump’s claims, and Biden has previously noted that the Obama administration’s position was supported by many other western governments, who saw Shokin as incompetent or corrupt.

Yeah, you know who called Shokin incompetent or corrupt? Victoria Nuland, that’s who. The story was that he wasn’t tough enough on corruption, but in reality he was too tough on corruption involving the US and its friends. For instance, he was investigating Burisma, and Joe Biden didn’t like that one bit. And the ‘many other western governments’ didn’t have enough knowledge to contradict the US in this. Many of the other 19 Democratic 2020 candidates have long supported the opening of an impeachment inquiry into Trump, following the findings of Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s interference into the 2016 election and links between the Trump 2016 campaign and Moscow.

This takes the cake. And eats it too. What the Guardian claims here is that the utter failure that was the Mueller probe, which failed to find any dirt on Trump, has been reason for the Democratic candidates to support an impeachment inquiry into Trump over a phone call with Ukraine. How convoluted is that? There were no links between the Trump 2016 campaign and Moscow. Don’t take my word for it, Mueller said so.

“Following the findings of Robert Mueller’s investigation..” Mueller didn’t find anything, remember? The only things left standing in his report were accusations against Julian Assange and a bunch of anonymous Russians, because he knew these were people who couldn’t defend themselves. Because of that, I said back in February that Robert Mueller Is A Coward And A Liar. He is. He is not a stand-up straight shooter. Biden’s speech on Wednesday came as his campaign continues internal deliberations over the best way to handle Trump’s broadsides and an impeachment inquiry that could last months and potentially never result in the Republican-led Senate removing Trump from office – even if the Democratic-led House impeaches him. “When I announced my candidacy,” Biden recalled,“I said I was running in order to restore the soul of America. That wasn’t hyperbole.”

Ha ha. Could have fooled me there, Joe. Restore the soul of America without hyperbole. Brilliant! 

But his advisers also point to the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump dominated media narratives of the Republican primary and the general election against Hillary Clinton with a barrage of attacks on his opponents that forced them to campaign on his terms. Biden nodded at that reality, as well, and promised he won’t let that get in his way. “I’m not going to be distracted,” he said. “None of these attacks are true, and I’m going to stay focused on your lives. That’s what this election is about,” he continued.

Look, it’s not okay that whistleblower rules are changed in half-secrecy overnight from requiring first-hand to second (or third) hand information. It’s not okay that the Democrats try to start an impeachment inquiry while disregarding the rules that have long existed for such an inquiry. It’s not okay that they do so on the basis of a phone call that the Ukraine president himself says contained none of the ingredients the Dems claim it did.

It’s not okay to try and keep the Republican House minority out of the proceedings, and it might even disqualify those proceedings entirely. If Trump is as bad a person and politician as the Democrats claim, it must be possible to figure that out while at the same time respecting the rules, regulations and the entire political system. Once you deviate from all that, you put the system itself at risk. Is that worth it? There’s an election in just over a year.

The media continues to refer to Trump’s allegations about Biden as unproven, knowing full well they’ve never been investigated. At the exact same time, they also keep bringing up Trump’s alleged ‘nefarious’ dealings with Russia, even though 2+ years of Robert Mueller and an entire platoon of lawyers came up empty on those. A level playing field?

I think I have an idea who’s afraid of whom. And there’s also this creeping/creepy feeling that the impeachment inquiry that isn’t one, is part of the 2020 election cycle. And that isn’t, and should not be, what such inquiries are for. Not even if you’re afraid of losing the election – that’s cheating.

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1 hour ago, DayTrader said:

 that isn’t, and should not be, what such inquiries are for. Not even if you’re afraid of losing the election – that’s cheating.

But against Hillary a investigation was cool.  Or false claims about Obama's birth certificate...

#BothSidesDoThisBS

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by Enthalpic

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#EdwardSnowden #ObamaWasGreat   

You make me laugh man.

Was Obama accused of shit since day 1, to a point that the opposition did nothing and had no policies at all but ''Obama bad'' ?

Here's some more gold ...

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-facebook/biden-campaign-asks-facebook-twitter-and-google-to-take-down-trump-ad-idUKKBN1WQ2AS

The last line is the belter.

 

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1 hour ago, DayTrader said:

Look, it’s not okay that whistleblower rules are changed in half-secrecy overnight from requiring first-hand to second (or third) hand information. It’s not okay that the Democrats try to start an impeachment inquiry while disregarding the rules that have long existed for such an inquiry. It’s not okay that they do so on the basis of a phone call that the Ukraine president himself says contained none of the ingredients the Dems claim it did.

 

So last night the Demorats made a rule in the House that there doesn't have to be any direct evidence, that basically anyone can claim anything and they are NOT required to answer any questions or testify. They do not have to provide any evidence, or worry about being discovered by the public, complete anonymity protected by the Demorats. The SCOTUS will end up in the middle of all this mess eventually, it's now a given since they have decided they get to do whatever they want. You can't start an investigation in this country without evidence that leads you to the crime, but they are going to try to find the evidence while investigating everything, every angle they can. SCOTUS will end up striking it all down and anything they DO find will be inadmissible as it was discovered illegally. Doesn't matter anyway, the Senate will do absolutely nothing even if they get the case, they are just as tired of this game as the rest of us. You have to admit though. The harder they try the less believable anything is becoming. Crying wolf for three years now and pretty soon no one will give a crap what they hear, it's all BS anymore.

My grandpa taught me a long time ago that "The only thing you get from a good line of bullshit, is a pile of bullshit" And I hear a great line of BS coming from Pelosi and her cronies, and it's just piling up.

I do fear what will start if Trump wins the election, I fear a civil war is closing in on us and the results are going to be tragic. For them.....

And I was reading briefly about ANTIFA's little attack the other day in Minneapolis after Trump's speech? We don't have that problem Texas. Liberal tard headed bastards acting like they have the right to beat unarmed people up. They know what the score would end up being. Here they would be facing so many guns, it would be funny if we could get to see the look on their faces when they realize that life is over for them. I would have driven right over them trying to block me in....I love my Suburban!!!!

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I wanna know @Enthalpic 's reaction to this post so bad haha

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34 minutes ago, DayTrader said:

#EdwardSnowden #ObamaWasGreat   

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-facebook/biden-campaign-asks-facebook-twitter-and-google-to-take-down-trump-ad-idUKKBN1WQ2AS

Was Obama accused of shit since day 1, to a point that the opposition did nothing and had no policies at all but ''Obama bad'' ?

 

For the most part we just hunkered down and tried to do our best with the crap he gave us. You didn't hear us whining constantly about every little move he made. No constant attempts to impeach him. We conservatives are mostly ADULTS, not whining little babies that are mad because we didn't get a participation trophy.....

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hahahahaha and that one 

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1 minute ago, DayTrader said:

I wanna know @Enthalpic 's reaction to this comment so bad haha

Isn't he from UK? You know, I really try to keep my nose out of the UK's business, it really isn't any of mine. I know there are people on both sides that are going to suffer one way or another so I just hope for the best for them all. I will say this though, BJ seems like a dick, kinda, but maybe that's what they need, like we did. The similarities are sometimes striking......

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Nah Canada. You know I'm English yeah? I just find your politics hilarious and I'm bored of Brexit.

BJs great

And Johnson not bad either

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15 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

They know what the score would end up being. Here they would be facing so many guns, it would be funny if we could get to see the look on their faces when they realize that life is over for them. I would have driven right over them trying to block me in....I love my Suburban!!!!

Re: civil war

Modern warfare requires just as many computer chips / programmers as guns.

Try buying ammo from Walmart when all your computers and bank accounts are shut down.  Silicon not cannonballs...

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6 minutes ago, DayTrader said:

Nah Canada. You know I'm English yeah?

Commonwealth FTW.  I hear some of the royals want to move to Canada. https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/canada/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-considering-move-to-canada-report-362558/

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18 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

So last night the Demorats made a rule in the House that there doesn't have to be any direct evidence, that basically anyone can claim anything and they are NOT required to answer any questions or testify. They do not have to provide any evidence, or worry about being discovered by the public, complete anonymity protected by the Demorats. The SCOTUS will end up in the middle of all this mess eventually, it's now a given since they have decided they get to do whatever they want. You can't start an investigation in this country without evidence that leads you to the crime, but they are going to try to find the evidence while investigating everything, every angle they can. SCOTUS will end up striking it all down and anything they DO find will be inadmissible as it was discovered illegally. Doesn't matter anyway, the Senate will do absolutely nothing even if they get the case, they are just as tired of this game as the rest of us. You have to admit though. The harder they try the less believable anything is becoming. Crying wolf for three years now and pretty soon no one will give a crap what they hear, it's all BS anymore.

My grandpa taught me a long time ago that "The only thing you get from a good line of bullshit, is a pile of bullshit" And I hear a great line of BS coming from Pelosi and her cronies, and it's just piling up.

I do fear what will start if Trump wins the election, I fear a civil war is closing in on us and the results are going to be tragic. For them.....

And I was reading briefly about ANTIFA's little attack the other day in Minneapolis after Trump's speech? We don't have that problem Texas. Liberal tard headed bastards acting like they have the right to beat unarmed people up. They know what the score would end up being. Here they would be facing so many guns, it would be funny if we could get to see the look on their faces when they realize that life is over for them. I would have driven right over them trying to block me in....I love my Suburban!!!!

Mate I totally get where you are coming from.

It seems impossible, in fact totally impossible but the political situation is off the charts in my opinion. In any other country there would be 100% civil war and bloodshed but in the 'West' not so. Maybe we're kept fed well enough and conditioned enough to never even think of the idea.

Edit: definitely not condoning civil unrest here lol

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3 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Commonwealth FTW.

Yeah well they're probably sick of hearing about Brexit too.

Maybe the amazing scenery though. 

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3 minutes ago, DayTrader said:

Yeah well they're probably sick of hearing about Brexit too.

Maybe the amazing scenery though. 

Or fear a paparazzi death like Diana.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Enthalpic

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Yep very true 

Human garbage 

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3 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

But against Hillary a investigation was cool.  Or false claims about Obama's birth certificate...

#BothSidesDoThisBS

 

You do realize that there are still outstanding, unresolved issues re Obama’s birth certificate...don’t you?

One glaring issue is that if he always had a valid birth certificate, why did it take him over a year to present it? Think about, he could have avoided a lot of unnecessary heartache simply by handing it over at the start of that fiasco.

Just saying... 

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The reply to that will be about tax returns in fairness ... ?

Just sayin'

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17 hours ago, SERWIN said:

We don't have that problem Texas. 

Best part of the post!  

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On 10/12/2019 at 10:07 AM, fozzir said:

Best part of the post!  

I want one of these stickers on the back window of my truck!!!

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On 10/11/2019 at 7:52 PM, Douglas Buckland said:

You do realize that there are still outstanding, unresolved issues re Obama’s birth certificate...don’t you?

One glaring issue is that if he always had a valid birth certificate, why did it take him over a year to present it? Think about, he could have avoided a lot of unnecessary heartache simply by handing it over at the start of that fiasco.

Just saying... 

When did Obama EVER show his birth certificate? That has been sealed by court order and it smells like a rotten fish farm.....