ISIS Prisoners Escape Syria Camp After Turkish Shelling. Woohoo!

[Guest]

International reports as well as Turkish media has confirmed a mass ISIS prison break at a Syrian Kurdish administered camp following shelling on the area by Turkey's military. Nearly 800 prisoners with links to the Islamic State reportedly fled, though one monitoring group put the number of those who ultimately successfully escaped at 100. The Guardian reported of the Sunday incident: At least 750 people with suspected links to Islamic State have reportedly fled a displacement camp in north-east Syria, local officials have said, raising fears that the Turkish offensive against Kurdish forces in the area could lead Isis to regain strength amid the chaos.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anarchy-unleashed-750-isis-prisoners-escape-syria-camp-after-turkish-shelling

Images published by the Syrian opposition media outlet SOHR showed ISIS families escaping Ain Issa by running through the nearby countryside.

Sources said the detainees began to riot and panic after the secure compound came under Turkish shelling, which further resulted in a state of "anarchy" at the camp. Authorities say "ISIS sleeper cells" took advantage of the situation to mount a large scale prison break, attacking remaining prison guards who had not already fled to defensive positions amid the shelling. Syrian Kurdish authorites say say 249 women and 700 children of the “caliphate” had been held at the Ain Issa camp, and that US forces subsequently evacuated the remainder of the camp's inhabitants to another secure location after the incident.  Reuters, citing a Syrian war monitor, suggested that not all of the some 750 who fled ultimately were able to escape: Around 100 people - women affiliated with Islamic State and their children - have escaped from a camp guarded by Syrian Kurdish-led security forces in northern Syria, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

File image of ISIS families at al-Hol camp, via AP/Washington Post

Ain Issa had a prior population of over 200,000 but has since been emptied of nearly all of its civilian residents. Scores of civilian casualties have resulted from the Turkish offensive, now in its fifth day, which has come under condemnation by almost every country. Current and former US defense officials have warned of an "ISIS resurgence" amid the US troop draw down and Turkish invasion of the region, especially after SDF leaders warned its fighters can no longer safely guard the thousands of ISIS prisoners in custody. 

Estimates commonly put the number of imprisoned ISIS terrorists in US-SDF custody in the northeast Syria at 11,000. Further some 70,000 family members believed linked to the former 'caliphate' are being held at the sprawling al-Hol camp, also under threat after internal camp rioting has been reported there. Turkey, for its part, has claimed that "YPG/PKK" forces deliberately set the Ain Issa camp on fire, denying Western reports that it came under Turkish shelling.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has said sanctions on Turkey are "ready to go" as Erdogan has refused to uphold his "responsibilities" related to the operation, which including promises to take custody of ISIS prisoners in the area. Trump has threatened reprisals should Turkey allow even one terrorist to go free. 

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-syria-kurds-turkey-escape-camp-sdf-ain-issa-a9153816.html

Same story, The Independent's version. 

Neither written by Day Trader. 

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by Guest

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

Either Turkey did not give this ‘shelling of the camp’ business enough thought....or the actually did and this is how they will avoid responsibility so the ISIS prisoners in their new ‘buffer zone’ - let them escape and become someone else’s problem again!

[Guest]

Yep don't think they've given much a lot of thought. Well, when I say 'they' I mean the nutter in charge 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

We will all be invited back shortly, to defeat ISIS again, after Turkey has totally f’d up the region.

I’d pour money/weapons/personnel (there are only about 3.3 million Kurds in Kurdistan proper. They need more trigger-pullers) into Kurdistan and let Turkey, Syria and Russia deal with ‘ISIS: The Sequel”.

[Guest]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/abc-news-busted-using-gun-range-footage-report-turkish-slaughter-kurdish-civilians

Link to an article by a journalist

[Zhong Lu + 845]

The US pullout is turning into a giant disaster.  Turkey's at fault, too,  but Jesus.  

Edited October 14, 2019 by Zhong Lu

[Otis11 + 551]

It's my understanding that the rest of the world wouldn't provide the required support for continued operations in Syria.

 

Why is it the US' fault? (From my perspective we're told to get out of the middle East, get out of all of these countries, stop being the world's police man, and yet when we do and calamity strikes, it's our fault for not preventing it.)

 

I think we stay out of it... propose international actions against Turkey (Tariffs, military action, whatever) and let the international community implement it. We should support the effort, but only our fair share. Let every country involved pitch in. (Not because I'm actually worried about the costs, but because then they can't point to the US and call us the bad guys. It's not the US that's against you - it's the whole world... which might mean it's a problem with your country.)

 

/Rant

[Zhong Lu + 845]

"The US is not a trustworthy or reliable ally."

-Even Israel is saying this.  

Consider this: ISIS comes back and captures and tortures American citizens and publishes a video of it.  Perfectly possible within a year or two now that they're escaping their internment camps.  What do you intend to do about it if you don't have allies on the ground? 

Also, your statement doesn't even make sense.  If Trump is pulling out of the Middle East, then why do we still have thousands of troops in Saudi Arabia, many of them participating in the Yemen conflict? Furthermore, if his intent is to pull out of the ME, why is he escalating tensions with Iran? 

Edited October 14, 2019 by Zhong Lu

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Otis11 said:

/Rant

Heartfelt opinion is not a rant, and shouldn't be classified as such. That said, you need rant lessons. 

[Zhong Lu + 845]

The Kurds have not been the only victims of American perfidy.  For years, Pakistani leaders have complained that the United States is not an “all-weather ally” (as, they assert, are the Chinese).  At times Washington has provided military support to Islamabad; at times it withheld that support. Similarly, Russian and Iranian support for their longtime Syrian ally, despite pronouncements by President Obama and others that Bashar al-Assad was on his last legs, has demonstrated to regional actors that Moscow and Tehran likewise were “all-weather allies.” 

Particularly for Israelis — whose prime minister was only recently speaking of a defense treaty with the United States, as well as the Gulf Arabs, whom Washington has encouraged to work together against Iran — President Trump’s unwillingness to face down palpable aggression against an ally that has fought and died alongside American troops is an exceedingly ominous development.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/465587-trumps-decision-on-syria-is-nothing-short-of-disaster

[fozzir + 68]

This is old but still applicable today.

 

[fozzir + 68]

3 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

"The US is not a trustworthy or reliable ally."

-Even Israel is saying this.  

Consider this: ISIS comes back and captures and tortures American citizens and publishes a video of it.  Perfectly possible within a year or two now that they're escaping their internment camps.  What do you intend to do about it if you don't have allies on the ground? 

Also, your statement doesn't even make sense.  If Trump is pulling out of the Middle East, then why do we still have thousands of troops in Saudi Arabia, many of them participating in the Yemen conflict? Furthermore, if his intent is to pull out of the ME, why is he escalating tensions with Iran? 

-Even Israel is saying this.  

 That's BS, links please, enquiring minds want to know.

-Consider this: ISIS comes back and captures and tortures American citizens and publishes a video of it.  Perfectly possible within a year or two now that they're escaping their internment camps.  What do you intend to do about it if you don't have allies on the ground? 

You are a fool to think there is ANYTHING the US can do to stop this.  American citizens have been killed by terrorists every year since the word terrorist hit the dictionary. 

-Also, your statement doesn't even make sense.  If Trump is pulling out of the Middle East, then why do we still have thousands of troops in Saudi Arabia, many of them participating in the Yemen conflict? Furthermore, if his intent is to pull out of the ME, why is he escalating tensions with Iran? 

You obviously do not understand Donald Trump.  He's a business man and if SA is willing to purchase billions in arms from the US that is good for the US.  A much different scenario than having a couple thousand troops sitting between Syria / Turkey like they're targets.  

 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

4 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

For years, Pakistani leaders have complained that the United States is not an “all-weather ally” (as, they assert, are the Chinese).  At times Washington has provided military support to Islamabad; at times it withheld that support

Gee you mean the same Pakistan who were HIDING Osama Bin Laden? That Pakistan? Complaining that WE'RE not a good ally? Lolololololol

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

On 10/15/2019 at 12:23 AM, Zhong Lu said:

The US pullout is turning into a giant disaster.  Turkey's at fault, too,  but Jesus.  

Bob, how is the US pulling out at most 1000 troops (how many were actually front line combat vs support troops) a disaster?

Could the number of troops pulled out have made a difference? Would they have simply been outgunned and overwhelmed?

If the SYRIAN Kurds, in their SELF PROCLAIMED autonomous region, decide to go head to head with a much larger, better equipped, NATIONAL military as opposed to run away and fight another day....well, all decisions have consequences.

Getting 1000 US soldiers slaughtered in a hopeless situation would have been criminal.