Any difference btw Hunter Biden on BOD of Ukraine Company vs. Qatar bailout of Kushner Real Estate 666 Fifth Ave ?

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Presidential Advisor Jared Kushner (Trump son-in-law) paid record high price for 666 Fifth Ave building in NYC while his father was in jail for tax evasion.  It was a financial disaster.  

A balloon bank payment of $1.4 Billion was due in February 2019.

After Trump took Jared off the hands of his father to work in the Whitehouse the Kushner Real Estate searched the world, including Middle East for financing to avoid Bankruptcy.  

Jared's father, Charles Kushner, met the Qataries in April 2017.  Geez, how did he manage to get that meeting ?

A fund associated with Qatar (Qatar was Co-Owner of Brookfield Fund) bailed out the Kushner 666 Fifth Ave property with a 99 year lease, all rent paid up front.

What is Trump pressure on Saudi and UAE to drop their embargo on Qatar worth to the Qataries ?

Just a coincident ?

Isn't this the same as Hunter's sweetheart deals in Ukraine and China ?

Is Trump beholding to Qatar ?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/qatar-666-5th-ave-jared-kushner 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Jabbar said:

Presidential Advisor Jared Kushner paid record high price for 666 Fifth Ave building in NYC.  It was a financial disaster.   After Trump took Jared off the hands of his father to work in the Whitehouse the Kushner Real Estate searched the world, including Middle East for financing to avoid Bankruptcy.  

A fund associated with Qatar bailed out the Kushner 666 Fifth Ave property.

Isn't this the same as Hunter's sweetheart deals on Ukraine and China ?

Is Trump beholding to Qatar ?

 

By simple reasoning Kushner would be beholden to the fund, not Trump.

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11 hours ago, Justin H said:

By simple reasoning Kushner would be beholden to the fund, not Trump.

This is more than simple situation. 

Kushner is family.  

So put simply Hunter would be beholden to Ukraine influence .

Not his VP father Joe Burden. 

Don't you wish the world could be so simple ?

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I think you mean ‘Joe Biden’.

What exactly are you trying to say? I am a bit confused.

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2 hours ago, Jabbar said:

This is more than simple situation. 

 

Blah Blah Blah...…. quit trying to make something out of nothing.

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3 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

 I am a bit confused.

Yes.

Sorry, I can't help you with that.

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48 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Blah Blah Blah...…. quit trying to make something out of nothing.

Selective outrage

Trump is not perfect but better than Hillary.

Better than any of Democrat in  primary.

If looks like Warren going to win primary, good chance new Democratic candidate jumps in race or even third party candidate enters election. 

 

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I think Joe Burden is pretty bang on 

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2 minutes ago, Jabbar said:

If looks like Warren going to win primary, good chance new candidate jumps in or even third party candidate enters election.

Not any dummycrats running worth a crap in my opinion. Just a bunch of Mockingbird socialists.

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8 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Not any dummycrats running worth a crap in my opinion. Just a bunch of Mockingbird socialists.

Agree

Don't have to be overly sensitive to any comments about Trump

 Nobody is perfect.  

Does any honest fair minded thinking person believe there was no quid pro quo with Hunter Biden deal ? NO !

So be fair.  Kushner Real Estate could not meet payment (1.4 Billion) on 666 Fifth Ave property and about to go under.   Then out of nowhere Qatar comes to the Rescue ? 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Jabbar said:

Presidential Advisor Jared Kushner paid record high price for 666 Fifth Ave building in NYC while his father was in jail for tax evasion.  It was a financial disaster.   After Trump took Jared off the hands of his father to work in the Whitehouse the Kushner Real Estate searched the world, including Middle East for financing to avoid Bankruptcy.  

A fund associated with Qatar bailed out the Kushner 666 Fifth Ave property.

Isn't this the same as Hunter's sweetheart deals in Ukraine and China ?

Is Trump beholding to Qatar ?

Jabbar, do you know anything at all about real estate? The property has intrinsic value and who knows what the original down payment was, or how much has been paid down? What real estate is worth is not subject to some reporter's opinion, but what the market, including financiers are willing to pay. Banks have become second tier funding sources for lots of reasons, but primarily because the meltdown of 2008 showed the emperor had no clothes. 

Now let's compare to Hunter Biden. He was expelled from the military dishonorably, then with absolutely zero knowledge or experience immediately gets a plum director seat making $168,000 per MONTH? Based on his vast knowledge about natural gas, pipelines and Ukraine? Not a chance, paying Hunter was a way to bribe Quid Pro Joe Biden, as anyone with an IQ over room temperature knows. There is ZERO asset value to Hunter, but a building on Fifth Avenue NYC? That's an asset you can take to the bank. 

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So you're saying there IS a difference, in answer to the title?

3 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

$168,000 per MONTH? Based on his vast knowledge about natural gas, pipelines and Ukraine?

Meh, he read a few books, quick Rosetta Stone course, sorted. I see nothing suspicious here. 

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50 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Jabbar, do you know anything at all about real estate? The property has intrinsic value and who knows what the original down payment was, or how much has 

Intrinsic value. 

We both agree on Hunter even though don't understand what his coke habit has to do with his pay to play scheme in Ukraine.

Ask any knowledgeable NYC RealEstate person about the 666 Fifth Ave property.

They will all tell you the same thing.  It was a disaster.  Kushner Family must be eternally greatful to Trump for taking Jared off their hands.

Nobody wanted anything to do with the 666 Fifth Ave property.  After Jared took the nepotism job at the White House from his father in law, his sister went on a Mideast tour seeking a bailout.  The presentation included her brothers recent Whitehouse job mention.

Viola, Qatar to the rescue.  

Call it for what it is.  Why defend an undefendable position ?

Appreciate your opinion but try to look at both these sweetheart deals for what they are.  

QUID PRO QUO

Everyone asking where's Hunter.  

Haven't heard from Jared for a while. Where's Jared ?

Ward, this is nothing new.  Remember the reports of your Senators and Congressmen sold their homes to foreign lobbyist for twice their market price ?

Don't even get me started on Clinton foundation or speaking fees.

Before your President Obama's term even ended he started his own foundation.  Who were all the contributors ?  The Hedge Funds of course.  Blckrock and all the rest. A big thank you to Obama for moth balling Congressman Levin's bill to end "Carried Interest" tax loophole.

Buy the way Wallstreet/Hedge Funds have piled cash into Biden primary campaign. Now they're worried Warren might win.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. 

Your Washing DC swamp is 10X the size of the Everglades swamp.  

Nobody will ever be able to clean it up.

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1 hour ago, Jabbar said:

Intrinsic value. 

We both agree on Hunter even though don't understand what his coke habit has to do with his pay to play scheme in Ukraine.

Ask any knowledgeable NYC RealEstate person about the 666 Fifth Ave property.

They will all tell you the same thing.  It was a disaster.  Kushner Family must be eternally greatful to Trump for taking Jared off their hands.

Nobody wanted anything to do with the 666 Fifth Ave property.  After Jared took the nepotism job at the White House from his father in law, his sister went on a Mideast tour seeking a bailout.  The presentation included her brothers recent Whitehouse job mention.

Viola, Qatar to the rescue.  

Call it for what it is.  Why defend an undefendable position ?

Appreciate your opinion but try to look at both these sweetheart deals for what they are.  

QUID PRO QUO

Everyone asking where's Hunter.  

Haven't heard from Jared for a while. Where's Jared ?

Ward, this is nothing new.  Remember the reports of your Senators and Congressmen sold their homes to foreign lobbyist for twice their market price ?

Don't even get me started on Clinton foundation or speaking fees.

Before your President Obama's term even ended he started his own foundation.  Who were all the contributors ?  The Hedge Funds of course.  Blckrock and all the rest. A big thank you to Obama for moth balling Congressman Levin's bill to end "Carried Interest" tax loophole.

Buy the way Wallstreet/Hedge Funds have piled cash into Biden primary campaign. Now they're worried Warren might win.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. 

Your Washing DC swamp is 10X the size of the Everglades swamp.  

Nobody will ever be able to clean it up.

Your facts are a bit light on Kushner, although I agree about the rest of the swamp

To be clear, Kushner doesn't even OWN 666 anymore, having sold it last year to a company called Brookfield, which Qatar has a measly 9% of. If you believe they used their 9% to push around the 91%, you're delusional. Was that purchase a good deal for Brookfield? Let's see, they bought it for $500 MILLION less than Kushner paid! However Kushner really didn't lose money because he'd made money selling the retail portion of the building previously but still owned 51% of that. Complex but not intractable. 

Bottom line, while your conspiracy theories amuse me, on this one you get an F. 

Cheers

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Your facts are a bit light on Kushner, although I agree about the rest of the swamp

To be clear, Kushner doesn't even OWN 666 anymore, having sold it last year to a company called Brookfield, which Qatar has a measly 9% of. If you believe they used their 9% to push around the 91%, you're delusional. Was that purchase a good deal for Brookfield? Let's see, they bought it for $500 MILLION less than Kushner paid! However Kushner really didn't lose money because he'd made money selling the retail portion of the building previously but still owned 51% of that. Complex but not intractable. 

Bottom line, while your conspiracy theories amuse me, on this one you get an F. 

Cheers

I dispute my "F" grade.  LOL

(1) What is this 9% bull. Qatar is Co-Ownee

(2) What's this Kushner's sold building.  No, Brookfield signed up for 99 year lease and paid ALL rent up front

(3) Jared's father met with Qatar during 2017.  Qatar was embargoed by Saudi Arabia and UAE .  QATAR Brookfield signed the lease, Saudis dropped embargo.

"In addition to likely having had the chance to hear about the deal through Brookfield directly or read about it in the paper of record, one would imagine the Qataris were keeping tabs on all things Kushner on account of Jared’s father, Charles Kushner, taking a meeting,  with Qatar’s finance minister, Ali Sharif Al Emadi in April 2017. "

I give you an "F"

If you revise my grade to "A" I will change your grade to C-

Deal ?

All just a coincident ? You don't believe that .

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6 minutes ago, Jabbar said:

I give you an "F"

If you revise my grade to "A" I will change your grade to C-

Deal ?

Hahahah gold

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30 minutes ago, Jabbar said:

I dispute my "F" grade.  LOL

(1) What is this 9% bull. Qatar is Co-Ownee

(2) What's this Kushner's sold building.  No, Brookfield signed up for 99 year lease and paid ALL rent up front

(3) Jared's father met with Qatar during 2017.  Qatar was embargoed by Saudi Arabia and UAE .  QATAR Brookfield signed the lease, Saudis dropped embargo.

"In addition to likely having had the chance to hear about the deal through Brookfield directly or read about it in the paper of record, one would imagine the Qataris were keeping tabs on all things Kushner on account of Jared’s father, Charles Kushner, taking a meeting,  with Qatar’s finance minister, Ali Sharif Al Emadi in April 2017. "

I give you an "F"

If you revise my grade to "A" I will change your grade to C-

Deal ?

All just a coincident ? You don't believe that .

I call bull on your bull. 

This is called a link. It contains evidence. You should try it sometimes. 

https://money.cnn.com/quote/shareholders/shareholders.html?symb=BAM&subView=institutional

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

I call bull on your bull. 

This is called a link. It contains evidence. You should try it sometimes. 

https://money.cnn.com/quote/shareholders/shareholders.html?symb=BAM&subView=institutional

This is a first ! A Trump diehard quoting "Fake News CNN"

"The Donald" would be ashamed of you. Expelled from Team Trump !

Are you saying Jared's father did not meet with Qatar Finance Minister in April 2017 ? 

Denial or naivete` ?

CNN never verifies info.  Too much in hurry to get the facts according to Donald. 

Your grade gets dropped from "F" to a "F-Minus"

LOL

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/qatar-666-5th-ave-jared-kushner 

 

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This is amazing stuff.

#popcorn 

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11 minutes ago, Jabbar said:

This is a first ! A Trump diehard quoting "Fake News CNN"

The Donald would be ashamed of you.

Are you saying Jared's father did not meet with Qatar Finance Minister in April 2017 ? 

Denial or Naievety ?

CNN never verifies info.  Too much in hurry to get the facts according to Donald. 

Your grade gets dropped from "F" to a "F-Minus"

LOL

What a maroon. I did you the favor of not linking behind the WSJ paywall, since I'm confident you don't have a subscription. CNN sucks, on that we can agree but financial news is available from dozens of sources and CNN would be foolish to try and make some fake news there. 

Bottom line, Brookfield is a publicly traded firm and that link shows its largest investors, none of whom are Qatar. In fact the 9% number is a reach by me because the Quatar partnership is at 8.3% ownership of Brookfield and Quatar by no means is the majority stakeholder in the  Brookfield Plc that is the largest shareholder. 

Again, you're just demonstrating you know nothing about real estate. When the land is valuable enough, anyone would be a fool to sell it, so the market has responded with these long term leases. Las Vegas has them on the Strip, Chicago and others have them. 99 years is far beyond the lifespan of the people signing the lease so it's effectively permanent.

Meanwhile you're casting aspersions based on what? A Salon article? 

 

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5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

What a maroon. I did you the favor of not linking behind the WSJ paywall, since I'm confident you don't have a subscription. CNN sucks, on that we can agree but financial news is available from dozens of sources and CNN would be foolish to try and make some fake news there. 

Bottom line, Brookfield is a publicly traded firm and that link shows its largest investors, none of whom are Qatar. In fact the 9% number is a reach by me because the Quatar partnership is at 8.3% ownership of Brookfield and Quatar by no means is the majority stakeholder in the  Brookfield Plc that is the largest shareholder. 

Again, you're just demonstrating you know nothing about real estate. When the land is valuable enough, anyone would be a fool to sell it, so the market has responded with these long term leases. Las Vegas has them on the Strip, Chicago and others have them. 99 years is far beyond the lifespan of the people signing the lease so it's effectively permanent.

Meanwhile you're casting aspersions based on what? A Salon article? 

 

Don't need you to do me favors.  

Do you have a clue what Brookfield is.  There is a public company entity. Qatar is not invested in that.

Brookfield has many entities including Private Equity , Property Asset management , etc.

The Private Equity fund LLP  also sets uplease and manages money for other (1) Funds of Funds, do u know what those are ? (2) Sovereign Wealth Funds, high net worth individuals and other Investment vehicles.  Two of these private equity vehicles are managed for Qatar and also Saudi Arabia.  

A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.

An MBA and a Wall street Journal subscription do not necessarily make one an expert on all things financial.

And I'm the moron ? LOL

Do you know which entity within Brookfield took a long term lease out on 666 Fifth Ave. No you do not. 

The 1.4 Billion or so invested in 666 is pocket change for the Qataries. 

Why don't you Google some more and get back with the facts.

What U.S. channel is your fav ? CNN or MSNBC ?

Chill

You have the right to your opinion

There is the truth and there is your opinion. 

I stick with the facts.

See ya

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39 minutes ago, Jabbar said:

Don't need you to do me favors.  

What U.S. channel is your fav ? CNN or MSNBC ?

Chill

You have the right to your opinion

There is the truth and there is your opinion. 

I stick with the facts.

See ya

Umm right. In other words I'm still right, you're still wrong and that's still that. 

Don't watch TV news, huge waste of time. I read, widely. 

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-admits-he-would-probably-not-have-gotten-ukrainian-board-seat-without-vp

Well there's a shocker