What are the odds of 4 U.S. politicians all having children working for Ukraine Gas Companies?

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P.S.  Eric Ciaramella is deep state, and is not an actual whistleblower.

 

 

 

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[Marcin + 519]

@Tom Kirkman Great memes.

2 things worry me (as I am interested in staying under US nuclear umbrella and as the consequence in US keeping its power. As a backup scenarios I can retrieve my (good in the past) command of Russian and enlist children to Chinese classes):

- political corruption is mainly attacked from partisan positions,

- root causes of the situation are rarely publicly discussed as current system is comfortable for political establishment.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

To answer the original question posited, the odds of American senior politicians having four children all working randomly, specifically for Ukrainian gas companies, is precisely zero.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

6 hours ago, Marcin said:

2 things worry me (as I am interested in staying under US nuclear umbrella and as the consequence in US keeping its power. As a backup scenarios I can retrieve my (good in the past) command of Russian and enlist children to Chinese classes):

- political corruption is mainly attacked from partisan positions,

- root causes of the situation are rarely publicly discussed as current system is comfortable for political establishment.

But we can always joke about root causes : )

 

 

/ edit  dang, good thing I snagged that meme a few minutes ago.  The entire site (along with all its memes) just got banned 2 minutes ago  : (

https://np.reddit.com/r/Mr_Trump/

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Tom Kirkman
Updated for banning screencap

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

For readers unfamiliar with American cult art, those photos of the sturdy-looking guys are (I think) the players on a TV reality program based on some mechanics that build these fancy "chopper" motorcycles, the ones with the garish wheels and very loud engines, typically driven by brutish men who refuse to be sissies and wear helmets - unless they are WWII Wehrmacht surplus, those are OK.  If you visit America and see these guys coming, just give them a wide, deferential berth, smile and wave, that's about it.  

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33 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

For readers unfamiliar with American cult art, those photos of the sturdy-looking guys are (I think) the players on a TV reality program based on some mechanics that build these fancy "chopper" motorcycles, the ones with the garish wheels and very loud engines, typically driven by brutish men who refuse to be sissies and wear helmets - unless they are WWII Wehrmacht surplus, those are OK.  If you visit America and see these guys coming, just give them a wide, deferential berth, smile and wave, that's about it.  

@Douglas Buckland  @James Regan

[Otis11 + 551]

9 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

7 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

To answer the original question posited, the odds of American senior politicians having four children all working randomly, specifically for Ukrainian gas companies, is precisely zero.

Actually, I'd argue the odds are EXTREMELY high...

9 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

 

^^And he even explained why!

As far as CNN - for the Unaware: https://thepoliticalinsider.com/cnn-airports-notice-why/

Also for reference: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-19/harvard-study-reveals-huge-extent-anti-trump-media-bias

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4 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

But we can always joke about root causes : )

 

 

/ edit  dang, good thing I snagged that meme a few minutes ago.  The entire site (along with all its memes) just got banned 2 minutes ago  : (

https://np.reddit.com/r/Mr_Trump/

 

So you're saying reddit sucks now? Or have they always sucked? 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

Then there's this: 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/470672-federal-prosecutors-investigate-giulianis-gas-industry-links-in?amp

So AGAIN based on HEARSAY ALONE, someone from the Trump administration gets a colonoscopy worth of attention while CLEARLY GUILTY POLITICIANS are ignored? Oh yeah, "made men" and the mob. 

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48 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

So you're saying reddit sucks now? Or have they always sucked? 

They have always sucked.  ANYTHING out of San Francisco is nothing but straight Marxist Communist thought police with a touch of Socialist pandering on the side. 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

18 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

So you're saying reddit sucks now? Or have they always sucked? 

I have little use for reddit.  The only reason I go to Reddit is to read the amusement on the memes posted on the censored / restricted sub-forum r/The_Donald.  And today, I visited for the first time a sub-forum r/Mr_Donald and that subforum was banned 5 minutes after I visited it for the first time.  Argggghhh.

Reddit moderators are mostly useless SJW wankers, censorship is apparently all they know.

Reddit: don't like it? Ban it!

8chan is still down, and its designated replacement 8kun is still not ready.

4chan has been comped  [compromised]  for years, although /pol/ can still be amusing on occasion:

 

I'm running out of places where I can still freely cause trouble online and laugh with like-minded free-speechers.  Yes, I'm aware that I'm a moderator here.  Still seems to me that an old fart with loads of oil & gas experience and salty offshore oil platform experience tied with my decades of encouraging Freedom of Speech makes me somewhat (kinda) suitable to be an outspoken moderator on this forum.  Yes, there is a difference between "anything goes" Chan image boards and this wide-topic-spectrum oil & gas forum.

Don't like my opinions?  Please feel free to complain about me to Oil Price staff. 

Or if you are easily amused, please do feel free to complain about me to the current resident pro-China Jello AI bot + its hapless human handler, because that would amuse me endlessly.  Mental pretzel gymnastics run through AI circuits can be ... pretty weird.  No idea which AI bot I am referring to?  Search "Jello" here.

Meantime, to lurkers and posters in general... please do speak your mind freely, just don't be a jerk about it.  It's easy to just troll and piss people off; it is far more difficult (and immensely more satifying) to nudge people to laugh + think and perchance re-evaluate some ideas and opinions by gently poking and laughing at absurdities.

So anyway, I'm kicking back today with a nice bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon + assorted cheeses and pistachios and mixed nuts.  I rarely have alcohol, so this wine bottle should last all afternoon and evening, in pleasant sips, mingled with complimentary tastes of the cheeses and nuts.  And browsing through some remarkable old reference books, both politically correct and decidedly politically incorrect.  Conflicting viewpoints are a spice of life, and the spice must flow.   Life is good  : )

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3 hours ago, Otis11 said:

Actually, I'd argue the odds are EXTREMELY high...

Tom, I qualified my opinion with the word "random."   Let us postulate that the children of these four politicians all randomly go to different colleges, never meet each other (or each others' mentors), and yet all four end up is some European backwater in the politically unstable Ukraine, and all four are working for natural gas companies, and all four are drawing nice salaries and unknown so-called "bonuses" and other tidbits ----   nah, the chance of that being random is precisely zero. 

Therefore, if that is the way it ends up, it is no longer "random," and the assignments are being orchestrated by others, to inure to their unjust enrichment.   Trust this explains. 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

58 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Therefore, if that is the way it ends up, it is no longer "random," and the assignments are being orchestrated by others, to inure to their unjust enrichment.   Trust this explains. 

Perfectly explained, thanks.

[El Nikko + 2,145]

Don't forget this under the Obama administration, sounds pretty corrupt to me. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k

Edit: I was only linking the phone conversation not condoning any statements or extra text from the video uploader.

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P.s Roger Stone is now in hot water for Wikileaks stuff...funny how not one Dem or deep stater has been charged over the spying of the Trump team.

Edited November 16, 2019 by El Nikko

[Otis11 + 551]

2 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Tom, I qualified my opinion with the word "random."   Let us postulate that the children of these four politicians all randomly go to different colleges, never meet each other (or each others' mentors), and yet all four end up is some European backwater in the politically unstable Ukraine, and all four are working for natural gas companies, and all four are drawing nice salaries and unknown so-called "bonuses" and other tidbits ----   nah, the chance of that being random is precisely zero. 

Therefore, if that is the way it ends up, it is no longer "random," and the assignments are being orchestrated by others, to inure to their unjust enrichment.   Trust this explains. 

Ha, sorry if the sarcasm wasnt clear enough.

Yeah, my take was literally the only way that could happen was the connection suggested by Tom.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Document attached:

2017-07-20 CEG to DOJ (Ukraine DNC FARA) .pdf

Direct link to document:

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/constituents/2017-07-20 CEG to DOJ (Ukraine DNC FARA).pdf

 

(Excerpt below from attached document, from 2017, from Senator Chuck Grassley to Rod Rosenstein)

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July 20, 2017
VIA ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSION
The Honorable Rod J. Rosenstein
Deputy Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530

Dear Mr. Rosenstein,

According to news reports, during the 2016 presidential election, “Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump” and did so by “disseminat[ing] documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter…”1

Ukrainian officials also reportedly “helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.”2

At the center of this plan was Alexandra Chalupa, described by reports as a Ukrainian-American operative “who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee” and reportedly met with Ukrainian officials during the presidential election for the express purpose of exposing alleged ties between then-candidate Donald Trump, Paul Manafort, and Russia.3

Politico also reported on a Financial Times story that quoted a Ukrainian legislator, Serhiy Leschenko, saying that Trump’s candidacy caused “Kiev’s wider political leadership to do something they would never have attempted before: intervene, however indirectly, in a U.S. election.”4

Reporting indicates that the Democratic National Committee encouraged Chalupa to interface with Ukrainian embassy staff to “arrange an interview in which Poroshenko [the president of Ukraine] might discuss Manafort’s ties to Yanukovych.”5

Chalupa also met with Valeriy Chaly, Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., and Oksana Shulyar, a top aid to the Ukrainian ambassador in March 2016 and shared her alleged concerns about Manafort. Reports state that the purpose of their initial meeting was to “organize a June reception at the embassy to promote Ukraine.” However, another Ukrainian embassy official, Andrii Telizhenko, told Politico that Shulyar instructed him to assist Chalupa with research to connect Trump, Manafort, and the Russians. He reportedly said, “[t]hey were coordinating an investigation with the Hillary team on Paul Manafort with Alexandra Chalupa” and that “Oksana [Shulyar] was keeping it all quiet…the embassy worked very closely with” Chalupa.6

Chalupa’s actions appear to show that she was simultaneously working on behalf of a foreign government, Ukraine, and on behalf of the DNC and Clinton campaign, in an effort to influence not only the U.S voting population but U.S. government officials. Indeed, Telizhenko recalled that Chalupa told him and Shulyar, “if we can get enough information on Paul [Manafort] or Trump’s involvement with Russia, she can get a hearing in Congress by September.”7

Later, Chalupa did reportedly meet with staff in the office of Democratic representative Marcy Kaptur to discuss a congressional investigation. Such a public investigation would not only benefit the Hillary Clinton campaign, but it would benefit the Ukrainian government, which, at the time, was working against the Trump campaign. When Politico attempted to ask Rep. Kaptur’s office about the meeting, the office called it a “touchy subject.”   ...

 

 

...  Unlike that situation where the Podesta Group and Mercury LLC worked for the middleman (EFCMU) and not the Ukrainian government, here Chalupa reportedly worked directly with Ukrainian government officials to benefit Ukraine, lobbying Congress on behalf of Ukraine, and worked to undermine the Trump campaign on behalf of Ukraine and the Clinton campaign. Accordingly, these facts appear to be exactly the type of activity Congress intended to reach with FARA. Please answer the following:

1. What actions has the Justice Department taken to enforce FARA’s requirements regarding Chalupa given the public reporting of her actions on behalf of the Ukrainian government?

2. Why has the Justice Department not required her to register under FARA?

3. Has the Justice Department sent a letter of inquiry to Chalupa? If so, please provide a copy. If not, why not?

4. Under 28 C.F.R. § 5.2, any present or prospective agent of a foreign entity may request an advisory opinion from the Justice Department regarding the need to register. Has Chalupa ever requested one in relation to her work on behalf of the Ukrainian government? If so, please provide a copy of the request and opinion. 

5. Please differentiate the facts that required the Podesta Group and Mercury LLC to register with Chalupa’s. 

6. Are you investigating the Ukrainian government’s intervention in the 2016 presidential election on behalf of the Clinton campaign? If not, why not?

7. Are you investigating links and coordination between the Ukrainian government and individuals associated with the campaign of Hillary Clinton or the Democratic National Committee? If not, why not? 

I anticipate that your written response and the responsive documents will be unclassified. 

Please send all unclassified material directly to the Committee. In keeping with the requirements of Executive Order 13526, if any of the responsive documents do contain classified information, please segregate all unclassified material within the classified documents, provide all unclassified information directly to the Committee, and provide a classified addendum to the Office of Senate Security. The Committee complies with all laws and regulations governing the  handling of classified information. The Committee is not bound, absent its prior agreement, by any handling restrictions or instructions on unclassified information unilaterally asserted by the Executive Branch.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation with this request. Please respond no later than August 3, 2017. If you have questions, contact Josh Flynn-Brown of my Judiciary Committee staff at (202) 224-5225.

Sincerely,

Charles E. Grassley
Chairman
Senate Committee on the Judiciary

 

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[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

1 minute ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Keep in mind that not one of them would be qualified as a professional energy consultant...

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

23 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Keep in mind that not one of them would be qualified as a professional energy consultant...

You probably could’ve just stopped at qualified

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

7 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Thank you in advance for your cooperation with this request. Please respond no later than August 3, 2017. If you have questions, contact Josh Flynn-Brown of my Judiciary Committee staff at (202) 224-5225.

Don't keep me waiting, where's the response? I'm sure old Rosenstein Jumped in it, given how he's knee deep in this, to quote our English friends "shite".

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Don't keep me waiting, where's the response? I'm sure old Rosenstein Jumped in it, given how he's knee deep in this, to quote our English friends "shite".

 

You can download Rosenstein's 12 page weasel-worded non-answer response to Chuck Grassley in the link below.  4 MB pdf, too large for me to attach here.  Direct link:

https://www.justice.gov/ola/page/file/1080041/download

 

[JoMack + 549]

The politicians seem to have more of quid pro quo in Ukraine than Trump.  When Trump lifted the regulations on exploration and development   thousands of jobs were created, but the 4 pols you have listed didn't have any of their oh so brilliant kids working in the U.S. oil and gas industry.  

[Otis11 + 551]

On 11/17/2019 at 8:11 AM, JoMack said:

The politicians seem to have more of quid pro quo in Ukraine than Trump.  When Trump lifted the regulations on exploration and development   thousands of jobs were created, but the 4 pols you have listed didn't have any of their oh so brilliant kids working in the U.S. oil and gas industry.  

Expat jobs pay better... (especially in their case)

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Extensive, exhaustive timeline, with supporting links:

The Ukraine scandal timeline Democrats and their media allies don’t want America to see

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Censor, censor, censor ... ban, ban, ban ...

 

Bracing for Streisand Effect.  Cat is out of the bag already.