Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 12:27 PM, NickW said: The Knights win lands / and or a guaranteed a place in heaven *Which is what Mohammed and his followers had been doing for the previous 400 years against European and the near east (which had been Christian) Expand Oh I see. I didnt realise killing people "guaranteed a place in heaven" And you talk to me about double standards, I'm sure i've read somewhere "Thou shalt not Kill", oh wait..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 12:23 PM, Douglas Buckland said: I guess the Moors (Muslims) fighting their way to just outside Paris get a pass on the hate thing.... Expand Didn't say their actions weren't reprehensible but lets be fair Europeans over the centuries haven't exactly been slow in "conquering" lands when it suits them. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 11:48 AM, NickW said: Nail on Head. The Pope obliged this by declaring a holy war which motivated thousands of well armed Northern European Knights and Men at Arms to come and fight for free. Expand Europe: Anti-Christian Attacks Reach All-Time High In 2019 Anti-Christian hostility is sweeping across Western Europe, where, during 2019, Christian churches and symbols were deliberately attacked day after day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 1:11 PM, Rob Plant said: Didn't say their actions weren't reprehensible but lets be fair Europeans over the centuries haven't exactly been slow in "conquering" lands when it suits them. Expand Going back to the Crusades. Prior to that European states had very little interest in the region as a whole. What was left were the remains of the Eastern Roman Empire. The crusades were, (as Tom pointed out) a counter attack after 400 years of assaults on Europe - The whole of Spain. Southern France as far as Paris (As Doug points out), Italy, Sicily, Greece, Asia Minor, Crete, Cyprus. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:02 PM, Tom Kirkman said: Europe: Anti-Christian Attacks Reach All-Time High In 2019 Anti-Christian hostility is sweeping across Western Europe, where, during 2019, Christian churches and symbols were deliberately attacked day after day. Expand Yep - Thanks Merkel. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 1:11 PM, Rob Plant said: Didn't say their actions weren't reprehensible but lets be fair Europeans over the centuries haven't exactly been slow in "conquering" lands when it suits them. Expand And neither were the Muslims! My point being that nobody held the moral higher ground back then. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW January 3, 2020 Good analysis by Styxhexenhammer 666 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=790&v=zgA0Zm8nRnY&feature=emb_logo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 11:48 AM, NickW said: Nail on Head. The Pope obliged this by declaring a holy war which motivated thousands of well armed Northern European Knights and Men at Arms to come and fight for free. Expand And, of course, Saladin was just a simple peasant who got annoyed at those pesky Christians and somehow managed to entice a Muslim horde to follow him...go figure. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 (edited) On 1/3/2020 at 2:07 PM, Douglas Buckland said: And neither were the Muslims! My point being that nobody held the moral higher ground back then. Expand Agreed Douglas My point is 2 wrongs dont make a right My initial point was the hypocrisy of the Christian church and the bloodshed over the last few millenia it has caused Edited January 3, 2020 by Rob Plant 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:13 PM, Douglas Buckland said: And, of course, Saladin was just a simple peasant who got annoyed at those pesky Christians and somehow managed to entice a Muslim horde to follow him...go figure. Expand The problem to this day is that most Muslims see these events in a one dimensional fashion and cannot see the other parties perspective. Christian Crusades - bad, immoral, evil Islamic (Jihad) good, moral, holy. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James Regan + 1,776 January 3, 2020 Happy New year Oil is UP and one less madman killing Americans , love the smell of “Drone Strike in the morning” 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:16 PM, NickW said: The problem to this day is that most Muslims see these events in a one dimensional fashion and cannot see the other parties perspective. Christian Crusades - bad, immoral, evil Islamic (Jihad) good, moral, holy. Expand Unfortunately the narrative of today in the media remains the same. However I would argue that 90% of Muslims are law abiding and don't share the Jihadi viewpoint and this is a Wahhabi muslim stance only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:16 PM, NickW said: The problem to this day is that most Muslims see these events in a one dimensional fashion and cannot see the other parties perspective. Christian Crusades - bad, immoral, evil Islamic (Jihad) good, moral, holy. Expand This guy has been freely running around Malaysia for years, dirtbagging any religion that is not Islam: P.S. I am skeptical of any organized religion, regardless of flavor. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:23 PM, Tom Kirkman said: This guy has been freely running around Malaysia for years, dirtbagging any religion that is not Islam: Expand I rest my case regarding religion being a divisive man made issue, each religion MUST be correct when none in fact are. Many have complete lunatics spouting off utter rubbish such as this pr*ck, but Catholicism hasn't exactly been blameless here over the years either! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:16 PM, Rob Plant said: Agreed Douglas My point is 2 wrongs dont make a right My initial point was the hypocrisy of the Christian church and the bloodshed over the last few millenia it has caused Expand Rob, you need to differentiate between Christian and Catholic... they are not the same animal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James Regan + 1,776 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:33 PM, Douglas Buckland said: Rob, you need to differentiate between Christian and Catholic... they are not the same animal. Expand It’s actually a bit confusing and more to it. The "Pastoral Provision" of Pope John Paul II At the requests of such Anglican clergy, in 1982 Pope John Paul II approved a "pastoral provision" that allowed some groups of Anglicans to enter the Catholic Church en masse while preserving their structure as churches and maintaining elements of an Anglican identity. In the United States, a number of individual parishes took this route, and in most cases, the Church dispensed the married Anglican priests who served those parishes from the requirement of celibacy so that, after their reception into the Catholic Church, they could receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders and become Catholic priests. https://www.learnreligions.com/anglicanism-vs-catholicism-542550 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:33 PM, Douglas Buckland said: Rob, you need to differentiate between Christian and Catholic... they are not the same animal. Expand Perhaps not, but they're all a load of nonsense, perpetuated by men who crave power. Just like politicians in fact. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 3:06 PM, Rob Plant said: Perhaps not, but they're all a load of nonsense, perpetuated by men who crave power. Just like politicians in fact. Expand ....in your opinion. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 3:13 PM, Douglas Buckland said: ....in your opinion. Expand yep Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 9:22 AM, Tom Kirkman said: How many times do I need to state that my opinions tend to stray quite afar from mainstream? I don't have a TV, I don't watch TV, or listen to mainstream media, and am a firm skeptic of mass info-tainment bread and circuses. Expand Huh? Was just a joke mate. On 1/3/2020 at 12:12 PM, Rob Plant said: Is this yet another example of "holy wars" that confirms @DayTrader opinion that religion is in fact man made ideology and not "GOD" Expand Thou shalt not kill ... apart from you, and you, and you .... Love thy neighbour ... apart from you, and you, and you ... On 1/3/2020 at 12:12 PM, Rob Plant said: How ridiculous is it that the leader of a "faith/church" declares war on another religion, going against the teachings of the very book it says it represents! Expand Well it probably doesn't help that the first 3 commandments are 'worship me and no one else'. Anyway, this is off topic and I've accused JR of that recently as recent ME events were clearly what Doug had in mind in his psychic wisdom when he started the shale thread. I'm going for a drive ... (oil related). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 3:56 PM, DayTrader said: I'm going for a drive ... (oil related). Expand I'm using my plastic mouse and keyboard so that's oil related too 😊 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshiro Kamamura + 274 YK January 3, 2020 "What was God thinking when he put American oilfields in some remote Middle Eastern countries?" 1 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon + 485 January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 1:11 PM, Rob Plant said: Didn't say their actions weren't reprehensible but lets be fair Europeans over the centuries haven't exactly been slow in "conquering" lands when it suits them. Expand The whataboutism goes from USA to China to Christians to Muslims. I am not surprised sir. As I state again and again, anything but self analysis, which ironically is one of the tenants of Buddhism (the belief system that does not kill others, even animals, or have a demand to do so). On 1/3/2020 at 4:29 PM, Yoshiro Kamamura said: "What was God thinking when he put American oilfields in some remote Middle Eastern countries?" Expand I am not sure sir but it was most likely about death in some form. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest January 3, 2020 O M G Hahahahahahah I'm saying nothing. @Papillon , you ever been to Nepal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest January 3, 2020 (edited) On 1/3/2020 at 2:16 PM, NickW said: The problem to this day is that most Muslims see these events in a one dimensional fashion and cannot see the other parties perspective. Expand The irony. Change the word 'muslims' for 'of OilPrice' and you're pretty bang on mate. @NickW - As I've said before, as long as you're not a Democrat, or pro China, or vegetarian, or under 40, or a bot, or an environmentalist, or anti Trump, or pro EU, or pro shale, or anti guns, or atheist ... then yeah, your 'perspective' will be valued loads here. #truthbomb Edited January 3, 2020 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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