Is Pete Buttigieg emerging as the most likely challenger to Trump?

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

On 2/19/2020 at 8:57 AM, Rob Plant said:

Show me examples of working class men who have made it to the White House since the war or ever for that matter. ALL of your examples above are super rich! Your system doesn't allow it and that was my point! I have NEVER stated the person with the most money wins an election that was intimated by another poster.

I have to remind people that Jimmy Carter grew up in abject poverty - he even describes eating armadillos as a kid.  His perserverence on his peanut farm did allow him to escape poverty, but he still had to borrow heavily to finance his run for governor.

Could it happen today after Citizen's United has granted unrestricted money into the political system? It really all depends on the backers.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Buttigieg won the JFK Profiles in Courage essay contest with an essay about Bernie Sanders and Socialism.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/education/profile-in-courage-essay-contest/past-winning-essays/2000-winning-essay-by-peter-buttigieg

... One outstanding and inspiring example of such integrity is the country’s only Independent Congressman, Vermont’s Bernie Sanders.

Sanders’ courage is evident in the first word he uses to describe himself: “Socialist”. In a country where Communism is still the dirtiest of ideological dirty words, in a climate where even liberalism is considered radical, and Socialism is immediately and perhaps willfully confused with Communism, a politician dares to call himself a socialist? He does indeed.  ...

 

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The majority of US presidents grew up poor or middle class.  I honestly do not know what you guys have been smoking in this thread... It must be good. 

PS: Campaign finance "reform" must be repealed as it just allows giant fat cats to buy who can run for office.  WHY? as it makes the most POWERFUL people in the nation unelected fat cats in the Democrat National comity and Republican National Comity who dole out $$$ to candidates THEY CHOOSE!  <<Not to mention it is unconstitutional against 1st amendment>>  At minimum we must allow unlimited funds from citizens IN the state to local candidates, but NOT across state lines.  If individual states want to limit how much, then that is under the perview of the states in question.  Gets back to 50 solutions are VASTLY superior to 1 solution and 1 size fits all.  Harder to corrupt. 

As it is now, some fat cat gives $5 million to DNC/RNC and then tells them who and whom they cannot give money to and what legislation to pass.  Far as I am concerned there should be a SMALL limit of $$$ given to a party in question. 

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3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

The majority of US presidents grew up poor or middle class.  I honestly do not know what you guys have been smoking in this thread... It must be good. 

PS: Campaign finance "reform" must be repealed as it just allows giant fat cats to buy who can run for office.  WHY? as it makes the most POWERFUL people in the nation unelected fat cats in the Democrat National comity and Republican National Comity who dole out $$$ to candidates THEY CHOOSE!  <<Not to mention it is unconstitutional against 1st amendment>>  At minimum we must allow unlimited funds from citizens IN the state to local candidates, but NOT across state lines.  If individual states want to limit how much, then that is under the perview of the states in question.  Gets back to 50 solutions are VASTLY superior to 1 solution and 1 size fits all.  Harder to corrupt. 

As it is now, some fat cat gives $5 million to DNC/RNC and then tells them who and whom they cannot give money to and what legislation to pass.  Far as I am concerned there should be a SMALL limit of $$$ given to a party in question. 

Campaign financing limits are great; prevents special interests groups from buying power. *cough* Oil and Gas *cough*

[Yoshiro Kamamura + 274]

On 2/17/2020 at 6:21 AM, ronwagn said:

...The people are beginning to understand that Trump is the man to help the average voter...

The delusion is strong in this one. 

[specinho + 470]

On 2/23/2020 at 11:39 PM, Tom Kirkman said:

Buttigieg won the JFK Profiles in Courage essay contest with an essay about Bernie Sanders and Socialism.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/education/profile-in-courage-essay-contest/past-winning-essays/2000-winning-essay-by-peter-buttigieg

... One outstanding and inspiring example of such integrity is the country’s only Independent Congressman, Vermont’s Bernie Sanders.

Sanders’ courage is evident in the first word he uses to describe himself: “Socialist”. In a country where Communism is still the dirtiest of ideological dirty words, in a climate where even liberalism is considered radical, and Socialism is immediately and perhaps willfully confused with Communism, a politician dares to call himself a socialist? He does indeed.  ..

There has been a new development.......... that differentiates capitalism, socialism, communism and liberalism......

capitalism - money based ideology

socialism - network based ideology

communism - community based ideology

liberalism - all, for free.......

I might favour a 4 - in- 1. What about you?

 

On 2/21/2020 at 1:29 AM, specinho said:

we really can't tell....... the furrr might be a little too fluffy....

For those of us who are interested to know how to differentiate a male and a female mice, here's something for your tea break......... https://www.wikihow.com/Tell-if-a-Mouse-Is-Male-or-Female

Quote this to illustrate something in a clearer manner............ between obscurism of fluffiness and not fluffy in determination of gender........

      vs

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by specinho

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 2/5/2020 at 7:51 PM, Zhong Lu said:

Trump isn't much younger.

President Trump shows an astounding amount of energy for a 73 year old. He is five years younger than Bernie Sanders who recently had an actual heart attack. He shows energy to a lesser extent, but his socialism cooks his goose. He makes no sense to the majority of voters. That will become more apparent as time goes on. Trump has an established record of great successes. Even many of those who dislike him will vote for him this time around. There is an old truism: "The evil you know is preferable than the evil you don't know." Yesterday he made a statement in Florida, defending Castro. He may have another heart attack trying to debate Trump. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 2/6/2020 at 4:21 AM, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

I have no clue how American public see Warren, but I actually think that she could beat Trump. No opinion on whether her policies would be good or bad for America. 

Why do you think Warren loses to Bernie? 

Just look at the results so far. She might be a good V.P. candidate who would attract liberal women but that would still be a losing ticket IMHO. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 2/17/2020 at 7:33 AM, Rob Plant said:

Haha i defy anyone on this site to argue against this!

I think that Trump was and is the sharpest knife in the drawer. Only Trump could have taken on 90% of the establishment powers in America and laid them out cold, praise be to God. He is still doing it despite all of their crying, screaming, lying, deceptions, conniving, and so on. Given another four years, our Republican politicians may have learned enough to do a similar job. The RINOS must be put in zoos though. They are dangerous beasts with big horns and their masters are people similar to Bloomberg. Many of their contributors donate to both parties. 

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On 2/17/2020 at 7:42 AM, Rob Plant said:

Ironic though that "in the land of the free" and the "land of opportunity" there is no opportunity to ever be president unless you are a billionaire.

Sort of narrows the playing field somewhat don't you think?

Agree with the IQ test, what harm can that do?

Abraham LIncoln, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon and others prove you are wrong. 

[John Foote + 1,135]

On 2/20/2020 at 8:53 PM, ronwagn said:

I expect a lot of Democrats to vote for Trump. All of the candidates have leftist ideas. None are moderates.

Economically how do you call Pete Buttigug, Amy Klobuchar, Tulsi Gabbard, or Tom Steyer, not to mention Bloomberg leftists? 

Definitely Warren. Biden is just a swamp critter. Warren would want to drive fundamental changes. Unlike all of the others, she is a true policy wonk. 

 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

6 hours ago, John Foote said:

Economically how do you call Pete Buttigug, Amy Klobuchar, Tulsi Gabbard, or Tom Steyer, not to mention Bloomberg leftists? 

Definitely Warren. Biden is just a swamp critter. Warren would want to drive fundamental changes. Unlike all of the others, she is a true policy wonk. 

 

They are all for basically the same things. They only differ in how long it would take to get there. It is all headed toward socialism, and not slowly either. 

Buttigieg is the only one I have heard talk about the ideas being too expensive, and IMHO that is just because he wants to be elected. He wrote a thesis on how great Bernie Sanders was! 

All of them are for unconstitutional gun control laws. 

I wouldn't trust anything any one of them said. 

See my topic on Vetting the 2020 Democrat Candidates https://docs.google.com/document/d/19dWQ1ucBsPQyj0WuVMfXmr6DTTeG8TwKbVuWE9_Rswg/edit

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13 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Abraham LIncoln, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon and others prove you are wrong. 

Yes indeed, but in my defence I dont think billionaires existed back then, certainly not in Lincoln's era.

Ron the discussion was relevant to today not historically, as in you need to be very rich (billionaire) to gain office these days.

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8 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Yes indeed, but in my defence I dont think billionaires existed back then, certainly not in Lincoln's era.

Ron the discussion was relevant to today not historically, as in you need to be very rich (billionaire) to gain office these days.

That is your surmise, it is not a proven fact. Bernie's money is only a few millions and is mainly in real estate. He certainly cannot use his money to campaign with. You have to consider that the average home today is $250,000. That is ten times what it was just fifty years ago. Most politicians make their big money after they are elected. 

[Guillaume Albasini + 851]

Bernie's money comes mainly from the three best-selling books he wrote in recent years.

 

Since his bid for the Democratic nomination raised his profile in 2016, Sanders has released a book a year. In all, he has pulled in at least $1.7 million from the series, starting with Our Revolution (220,000 copies sold, according to industry tracker NPD BookScan) and then Bernie Sanders Guide to Political Revolution (27,000) and finally Where We Go From Here: Two Years in the Resistance (26,000). 

 

[Emmanuel Grenier 0]

On 2/5/2020 at 6:00 PM, Gerry Maddoux said:

Unfortunately. 

He's 78, with coronary artery disease. He's a wealthy socialist. He would totally ruin America. 

Surely the younger population will come to their senses at some point. If not, there's probably not enough of them to vote him in. 

No matter what you feel about Trump, he's about the only viable candidate for the office at this dispositive point in time.

I think a veteran and Congresswoman like Tulsi Gabbard is much more viable than Trump in ending the disastrous regime change wars constantly launched by the Bush-Clinton-Obama regimes. She has nos support from the financial elite and she therefore will not win the nomination, but she has created a real grassroot movement around her candidacy. 

[WaytoPeace + 62]

I am not a Warren fan, but the truth is the truth as Bernie would say.  Warren already had her professorship when she marked “native American” under heritage.  This was at a time that Harvard was seeking to demonstrate it honored diversity and was looking to look more diverse.  So, she didn’t benefit in any way.  Harvard was just able to try to look more diverse.  

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190]

On 2/23/2020 at 12:38 PM, Enthalpic said:

Campaign financing limits are great; prevents special interests groups from buying power. *cough* Oil and Gas *cough*

So, you admit, you never read what I wrote nor know how the US system currently works.  Brilliant!  Keep posting and making us all laugh. 

[RichieRich216 + 454]

Not a chance.......Pete doesn’t have it and is using the Obama model without the backing of Black Americans....

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8 hours ago, Emmanuel Grenier said:

I think a veteran and Congresswoman like Tulsi Gabbard is much more viable than Trump in ending the disastrous regime change wars constantly launched by the Bush-Clinton-Obama regimes. She has nos support from the financial elite and she therefore will not win the nomination, but she has created a real grassroot movement around her candidacy. 

I think all the VIABLe Democrats pulled out of the race(effectively) and let all the kooks go for it as they know they are going to lose. 

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190]

1. Trump: Born Rich
2. Obama: Born Middle income
3. Bush Jr.: Born Rich
4. Clinton: Born middle income
5. Bush Sr. Born middle to upper income
6. Reagan: Born middle income
7. Carter: Born Poor
8. Ford: Born Middle Income
9. Nixon: Born Poor
10. LBJ: Born Poor
11. JFK: Born Rich
12. IKE: Born Poor
13. Truman: Born Poor
14. FDR: Born Rich
15. Hoover: Born poor
16. Coolidge: Born middle income
17. Harding: Born middle income

So, last 100 years, Most were born middle income with 2nd place going to Poor....  By today's standards almost ALL of them would be considered poor. 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

On 2/24/2020 at 12:52 PM, ronwagn said:

President Trump shows an astounding amount of energy for a 73 year old.

From what I've seen I actually agree with that; he looks surprising healthy.

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

So, you admit, you never read what I wrote nor know how the US system currently works.  Brilliant!  Keep posting and making us all laugh. 

I didn't say that was what you currently had, I said limits are good.

I admit I stop reading posts once the garbage level becomes intolerable.

You guys are my playthings, keep thinking otherwise.  Please resort to personal insults and look foolish, take it too far, get banned; I can debate with more class than the vast majority of this forum.  #MarshmallowTest

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1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

I didn't say that was what you currently had, I said limits are good.

I admit I stop reading posts once the garbage level becomes intolerable.

You guys are my playthings, keep thinking otherwise.  Please resort to personal insults and look foolish, take it too far, get banned; I can debate with more class than the vast majority of this forum.  #MarshmallowTest

So, you admit, (twice now) you never read what I wrote nor know how the US system currently works.  Brilliant!  Keep posting and making us all laugh while you claim to be "classy".  If you had class, as you claim, you would read before replying. 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

On 2/25/2020 at 6:01 AM, John Foote said:

Economically how do you call Pete Buttigug, Amy Klobuchar, Tulsi Gabbard, or Tom Steyer, not to mention Bloomberg leftists? 

Definitely Warren. Biden is just a swamp critter. Warren would want to drive fundamental changes. Unlike all of the others, she is a true policy wonk. 

 

Don’t forget that Warren lied through her teeth claiming to be Native American so that she could receive special treatment. The Native American community, not Republicans, showed this to be a lie.