China Learning That It Cannot Suppress the Truth

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https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/02/07/people-grieving-furious-china-admits-botched-case-whistleblower-doctor/

‘People Are Grieving and Furious’: China Admits it Botched Case of Whistleblower Doctor

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[Meredith Poor + 894]

As opposed to the US, where there's no truth to suppress.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

8 hours ago, Meredith Poor said:

As opposed to the US, where there's no truth to suppress.

Alas.....

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

On 2/8/2020 at 3:33 AM, ronwagn said:

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/02/07/people-grieving-furious-china-admits-botched-case-whistleblower-doctor/

‘People Are Grieving and Furious’: China Admits it Botched Case of Whistleblower Doctor

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They recklessly make that article read like ordinary Chinese are by and large their source, as opposed to the Hong Kong based South China Morning Post being their only source, which they do cite at one point in the article.  They say that 0.00035% (500,000) of the population have made comments on the internet, and they do not say how they know that all of those comments were made by people inside China.  The CCP and the PSB have near-total control of all media in China and they can tweak that level anytime they feel the need to do so. They also do not face the fact that no sizeable portion of the Chinese population will say or do ANYTHING to call out or fight against the Central Government.  I am fairly confident that any online search within China will not produce any narrative other than what is approved by the CCP, and any evidentiary text on any social media will have been removed, or at the very least modified by now.  (Edit: As I read the rest of the article, I found that I was right about this, unfortunately.  Don't forget the 20 million or so people of Wuhan are still in lockdown, so it is fairly simple for the CCP to manage.)

If someone could tell me what is being written and presented in the Chinese language media that is being put out to the masses, I would like to hear or read about it.

Dr. Li will be blended into the CCPs narrative to further show how wonderful and omniferous they are and how great patriots like Mr. Li, when they work with the Party, are a reflection of all Chinese.

That article is meant for the West to feel good about itself, and for Hong Kong opponents to stay both relevant and righteous, and has no real readership base in China.  In other words, not many people in China are aware that their government is anything except the saviour of this situation, and as far as they are concerned, if they have even heard of Dr. Li, he should have thought better before speaking.  Perhaps he should have even consulted the government before he did so.

Of course, these are just my thoughts; everyone can have their own read on it.

Edited February 9, 2020 by Dan Warnick

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It's a great tragedy. The responsibility lies with the local government, not the national government. The situation is yet foggy, but seems the local officials were negligent to follow national policy and their actions were guided by fear of consequences. Over 1 billion people are irate over it. Heads will roll when the dust settles. China has zero tolerance for criminals, so any party proven to have committed a criminal act will be executed swiftly.

Mr Li was an Ophthalmologist, not an Epidemiologist, who contracted the virus incidentally and at an early time. He was not on the front line. Thus the local authority questioned his expertise to sound an alarm for a illness outside his expertise. Thus he was instructed to cease his warnings. The local authority did not take the virus seriously at the early stage. Obviously, this is wrong action and amounts to negligence. But Dr Li was not fined, not charged, not imprisoned, and was permitted to continue his profession. He died from a natural cause, not from punishment. It's a great tragedy.

Contrast this with how the USA treats whistle blowers.  Assange and Manning arrested and placed into solitary confinement. Manning's case is especially egregious, for s/he is a victim of double jeopardy. Both are being tortured mentally. In the case of Seth, he was murdered before he could squeal. The list of people 'suicided' during the Clinton years is rather long. Then was Ellesberg. and many more. 

Assange, Manning, Seth and unknown others are all great tragedies. Americans should take heed and judge not others lest ye be judged. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

The Chinese people are legendary for complaining about abuse by the government and are very brave. They are also very smart and most keep quiet because they realize that every CCP member is a spy against the masses. Many are smart enough to know what goes on in the rest of the world and generally what the Western media says. They are thought leaders, but have to be careful. Hell, many Americans are afraid to admit that they support President Trump, and will vote for him. We are in danger of being as repressed as Europeans. Canadians may already be there. Mexican journalists are regularly shot, while we have 90% of our media and thought leaders on the left.  

If Trump were a German he would very likely be in jail for his views on immigration. The AFDP has very reasonable immigration views and they are called Nazis by the media. 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

13 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

It's a great tragedy. The responsibility lies with the local government, not the national government. The situation is yet foggy, but seems the local officials were negligent to follow national policy and their actions were guided by fear of consequences. Over 1 billion people are irate over it. Heads will roll when the dust settles. China has zero tolerance for criminals, so any party proven to have committed a criminal act will be executed swiftly.

Mr Li was an Ophthalmologist, not an Epidemiologist, who contracted the virus incidentally and at an early time. He was not on the front line. Thus the local authority questioned his expertise to sound an alarm for a illness outside his expertise. Thus he was instructed to cease his warnings. The local authority did not take the virus seriously at the early stage. Obviously, this is wrong action and amounts to negligence. But Dr Li was not fined, not charged, not imprisoned, and was permitted to continue his profession. He died from a natural cause, not from punishment. It's a great tragedy.

Contrast this with how the USA treats whistle blowers.  Assange and Manning arrested and placed into solitary confinement. Manning's case is especially egregious, for s/he is a victim of double jeopardy. Both are being tortured mentally. In the case of Seth, he was murdered before he could squeal. The list of people 'suicided' during the Clinton years is rather long. Then was Ellesberg. and many more. 

Assange, Manning, Seth and unknown others are all great tragedies. Americans should take heed and judge not others lest ye be judged. 

There is some truth to what you write. 

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@ Dan Warnick.

Of what you write, some is true, some is not. 

In general, the media standard in China is to report a story when all facts are known. The Chinese do not tolerate ignorant, attention-seeking, airheads as these are tolerated, nay promoted, in the USA.  Thus, during a crisis, information is controlled to ensure fact, not hype, is disseminated. 

Any crisis that risks the society is, in fact, investigated, charged, and reported. The cases for the milk, oil, pharmaceuticals are clear examples.  During the crises, the public was informed the products were suspect and not to consume them. True, the alert was not instant, and victims ensued. The fault for this lies with the producer: all were privately owned, and all tried to contain the damage out of fear for their lives. The fault was not the national government: it stepped in when the crises became clear, and took immediate actions to control and arrest the parties. The media reporting of this was sparse during the crises, but was made extensive after the entire case was solved in the courts. Those court records are open to public view. The perpetrators and accomplices were sentenced and given the death penalty.  Voila, no more risk to society. 

Similar circumstances and actions are occurring now in Wuhan. The national government has taken control, sent in the military, quarantined an entire region, is sparing no expense to contain and fight the disease.  The WHO is monitoring also, and is satisfied. Deaths are being reported daily and some of these are being highlighted in the media; such as Dr Li. IF Dr Li's story is to be woven, as you say, he is woven as a hero and that underscores how dire is this disease. His story is not suppressed. You may be interested to know other stories for other doctors are being reported, to highlight the dangers and heroism.

A country is governed by consent.  For better or worse, the average Chinese citizen accepts their central government. Westerners should respect their consent, culture, customs, society, and not try to force your standards upon them.