CoV-19: China, WHO, myth vs fact

[BJblue + 12]

I see Kudlow, on CNBC, was bragging that the CCP was now allowing the CDC into the country to help WHO. This may be old info? But, allowing them into country to only "see what we want you to see" is not good enough. I just wonder if the CDC will cow down to the great empire, as it seems the WHO is? Or possibly tell it like it really is?

[GunnysGhost + 157]

12 hours ago, Wombat said:

9 days is the latest I have heard.

No bueno.  Best part about exposed RNA and DNA is that it typically oxidizes quickly. 

It would explain why isolation didn't work on the cruise ships.  People could touch a random door knob somewhere in a ship/building 9 days after the infected were quarantined and subsequently start a new outbreak.   Or why you don't have to be in the same state as the 'infected' because its the object that's carrying (like an airplane seat), not the person.

It may not be the 'deadliest' per infected, but if its that durable, it won't go away for a while. 

If that holds true, that's a nasty bug. 

 

Edited February 21, 2020 by GunnysGhost

[Bob D + 562]

8 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

I have serious doubts the citizenry can do any real damage to the CCP.

WHY??  Because the Chinese citizenry has no weapons.  And what is the US socialist/democrat/communist party trying to do to the US citizenry??   Yeah!

[Wombat + 1,028]

8 hours ago, GunnysGhost said:

No bueno.  Best part about exposed RNA and DNA is that it typically oxidizes quickly. 

It would explain why isolation didn't work on the cruise ships.  People could touch a random door knob somewhere in a ship/building 9 days after the infected were quarantined and subsequently start a new outbreak.   Or why you don't have to be in the same state as the 'infected' because its the object that's carrying (like an airplane seat), not the person.

It may not be the 'deadliest' per infected, but if its that durable, it won't go away for a while. 

If that holds true, that's a nasty bug. 

 

Very nasty indeed. Did you know that the Tetanus bacterium can remain viable up to 2000 years?

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

9 hours ago, BJblue said:

I see Kudlow, on CNBC, was bragging that the CCP was now allowing the CDC into the country to help WHO. This may be old info? But, allowing them into country to only "see what we want you to see" is not good enough. I just wonder if the CDC will cow down to the great empire, as it seems the WHO is? Or possibly tell it like it really is?

‘Cow down’?🤔

At the end of the day they are a sovereign country and can do what they want to. Not saying it is right, just the reality.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

For consideration.

 

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[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Evidence for gastrointestinal infection of SARS-CoV-2

Abstract (lines 62 to 74):

The new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) outbreak originating from Wuhan, China, poses a threat to global health. While it's evident that the virus invades respiratory tract and transmits from human to human through airway, other viral tropisms and transmission routes remain unknown. We tested viral RNA in stool from 73 SARS-CoV-2-infected hospitalized patients using rRT-PCR. 53.42% of the patients tested positive in stool. 23.29% of the patients remained positive in feces even after the viral RNA decreased to undetectable level in respiratory tract.  The viral RNA was also detected in gastrointestinal tissues. Furthermore, gastric, duodenal and rectal epithelia showed positive immunofluorescent staining of viral host receptor ACE2 and viral nucleocapsid protein in a case of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Our results provide evidence for gastrointestinal infection of SARS-CoV-2, highlighting its potential fecal-oral transmission route.

 

From the paper's intro (lines 91 to 98):

According to a recent case report, SARS-CoV-2 RNA was detected in a stool specimen, indicating the possibility of the viral extrarespiratory infection and additional transmission routes to respiratory one. It has been proved that SARS-CoV-2 uses ACE2 as a viral receptor for entry process. ACE2 mRNA is highly expressed in gastrointestinal system, providing a prerequisite for SARS-CoV-2 infection.  To further understand the clinical significance of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in feces, we examined the viral RNA in feces from 71 patients with SARS-CoV-2 during their hospitalization.

 

PDF of full preprint paper at:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.17.20023721v1.full.pdf

https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.17.20023721

 

PDF attached:

2020.02.17.20023721v1.full.pdf

 

[Gerry Maddoux + 3,627]

 

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To their credit, the Chinese apparently sequenced the genome of this virus very quickly and published it. 

The only good news about this pandemic is that the coronavirus is a pretty simple single-stranded RNA virus (unlike HIV which is a double-stranded RNA virus), and it should be fairly easy to get a vaccine ready. 

Particularly by the NIH-sponsored Greffex project in Texas. They have genetically engineered a vaccine antigenic model through "plug and play" changes to adenovirus. Just need a quick animal trial. 

[specinho + 470]

On 2/13/2020 at 8:54 PM, Tom Kirkman said:

Obviously, I am in complete disagreement, and think that it is more likely that this particular Coronavirus was bio-engineered by China's military and accidentally escaped from the Wuhan P4 virology lab.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sudden-militarization-wuhans-p4-lab-raises-new-questions-about-origin-deadly-covid-19

Sudden Militarization Of Wuhan's P4 Lab Raises New Questions About The Origin Of The Deadly Covid-19 Virus

The reported militarization of Wuhan's P4 Lab has raised new questions about the origin of the Covid-19 virus and the apparent cover-up that has occurred since it was first made public.

If they raised question about the origin, then, there is a huge possibility it might not be from their own lab?? IF it is from their own lab, they would be very quiet and pretend not to know anything, even when asked, or no??

The other day i was trying to relay a story received on Eeyam, UK and checking on bubonic plague.......... according to the version I read, black death that wiped out nearly half of the population in Europe during Medieval time was caused by rat(s) from China......... today I tried to get the link but the content has been changed.......... We are hostile against chinese with various uncross-checked claims over the decades......... Shall we try to provoke war, we should try to just invade.......... with high quality of economic dominance like Japan, and a few other countries, or no?? Afterall, money is power...........

On 2/16/2020 at 9:02 PM, Geoff Guenther said:

Nobody is fully immune to smallpox anymore, but there's a good likelihood that vaccinated people have enough immunity to ward off death.

 

On 2/20/2020 at 9:40 AM, Gerry Maddoux said:

Thanks. That's a great overview. Might emphasize the fact that since this virus is a single-stranded RNA virus, that makes it even more likely to jump lines, because he's right, the replication enzyme is less particular about stoichiometry. Hopefully a vaccine directed against one of the glycoprotein spikes will work for all coronaviruses. These things are just flat scary, and seem to be getting more aggressive.

Coronavirus is an enveloped RNA virus. This might mean, it will wrap a layer of human membrane cell as envelope material while coming out of the cell at the final stage of replication. Therefore, it is easily disguised as "self". Hence, no immune reaction would be raised against it. In addition, RNA virus mutates quickly. Vaccine might target the wrong thing and stimulate autoimmune disease if not careful? It might also be an futile effort to catch up with the rate of mutation, like they have tried during H1Nx flu epidemic?
 

On 2/21/2020 at 6:50 PM, Dan Warnick said:

there were tanks blocking all the side roads along the route to the airport and few days later those same tanks literally drove over people by the 100's if not 1,000's all around Beijing.  Similar actions were carried out by the CCP at a number of cities throughout China.

Countries from all over the world maintaining their order of society in a rather similar way.......... How many death compared to other similar events in the world that we are raising so much criticism over it for decades but not others? Or, are we at it for decades because they refuse the vote casting system that we deem as a sign of democracy for a population of 1.3 billions?? How much money, effort, paper, manpower required for a population that big?? Why is there a need to impose our way is the only proper way??

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by specinho

[Gerry Maddoux + 3,627]

4 hours ago, specinho said:

Coronavirus is an enveloped RNA virus. This might mean, it will wrap a layer of human membrane cell as envelope material while coming out of the cell at the final stage of replication. Therefore, it is easily disguised as "self". Hence, no immune reaction would be raised against it. In addition, RNA virus mutates quickly. Vaccine might target the wrong thing and stimulate autoimmune disease if not careful? It might also be an futile effort to catch up with the rate of mutation, like they have tried during H1Nx flu epidemic?

Good points. Usually, however, the plug and play antigens are on the spikes, so not too much likelihood of autoimmune complications--but I don't have good data about that. And you're right in that mutation occurs rapidly with these glycoprotein spicules.