J.mo + 165 jm March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Geoff Guenther said: Do you have something to add to the conversation or are you just going to mock people for pointing out that Trump has completely vacated his responsibilities? Aren't you from/living in the UK? Why such an infatuation with US leadership? Mr. Boris Johnson isnt doing any sort of spectacular job, in fact he as well of many of his administration are positive along with one of your princes.. Probably focus time on better UK handling in my opinion. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff Guenther + 317 March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, J.mo said: Aren't you from/living in the UK? Why such an infatuation with US leadership? Mr. Boris Johnson isnt doing any sort of spectacular job, in fact he as well of many of his administration are positive along with one of your princes.. Probably focus time on better UK handling in my opinion. I've spent more time living in the US than in the UK. The UK seems to have decided to the itself to the US in terms of policy and it's killing people in both countries. As I said before, Johnson and Trump both need to be removed. Canadians are (rightly) complaining about Trudeau's handling of the pandemic, but he's looking positively stellar next to these two buffoons. 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerry Maddoux + 3,627 GM March 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said: As I said before, Johnson and Trump both need to be removed. Canadians are (rightly) complaining about Trudeau's handling of the pandemic, but he's looking positively stellar next to these two buffoons. Oh, I'm sure that would work out splendidly: Remove the US president in the middle of a crisis, notwithstanding the fact that he just survived an impeachment; and also remove an ailing PM of the UK in the middle of what may be an even bigger crisis. Come on! This is a time to solidify behind our leaders, not skewer them. I could have done quite a bit better on a couple of issues, but I wouldn't probably have issued a travel ban when it was done. I am sure you could have handled an issue or two better, but I have serious reservations that you could have done better on the whole wad. Actually, I believe that each leader has done quite a good job: from Putin all the way to Cuomo, from the mayor of Cleveland (I haven't a clue what his or her name is) up to President Trump. The time to go after a leader (of anything) is after a crisis, not during. Later on, quarterback it all you wish. And while we're on it, you can call Mr. Johnson whatever you wish, but it offends me that you call my commander-in-chief a buffoon. If I were you, I'd think twice before showing my ass on a public forum, even the dank sewer of an Internet. 2 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff Guenther + 317 March 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said: Remove the US president in the middle of a crisis, notwithstanding the fact that he just survived an impeachment; and also remove an ailing PM of the UK in the middle of what may be an even bigger crisis. Solidify behind the guy who is making the crisis worse? Are you kidding? The guy who's holding up ventilators and PPEs to states where governors don't kiss up to him? The guy who decides that the $2 trillion in funding is not subject to congressional oversight so that he can redirect money to his hotels? You're offended that the world thinks Trump is a buffoon? Trying to find a world leader that has done worse than the Trump. Turkey, Iran, and Brazil are worse - but that's not great company. Italy and the UK are arguably as bad. Beyond that? What happened to the country that used to lead the world when it came to the MERS, Ebola and H1N1 epidemics? How does a country go from being the best in the world to being among the worst in a matter of 5 years? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb March 29, 2020 Gerry has a point and just remember if this turns out to be not that bad i.e less than a years worth of flu deaths then people who used this for politics will have no credibility and no one will forget that and nor should they let them forget. The leaders are voted in to make the choices, time will tell. My friends daughter caught it flying back from Poland to London (most likely where she got it because our airports are filthy dumps except Manchester). 4-5 days and she's fine 🙄 Not the same as when I had influenza in my twenties and was bed ridden and felt at deaths door for 2 weeks. Anyway in other news I'm posting nice pictures on facebook so here's one of a volcanic crater in Portugal 😁 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrept33 + 609 st March 30, 2020 My main criticism of Trump is that he's been all over the map, sometimes even in short period of time, and especially early on, he seemed to have been mostly concerned about his own administration's image. Yeah, I get that the situation is very fluid and it does require the need to change one's mind based on new evidence, but it doesn't particularly strike me as strong leadership. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,324 RG March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Geoff Guenther said: Solidify behind the guy who is making the crisis worse? Are you kidding? The guy who's holding up ventilators and PPEs to states where governors don't kiss up to him? The guy who decides that the $2 trillion in funding is not subject to congressional oversight so that he can redirect money to his hotels? You're offended that the world thinks Trump is a buffoon? Trying to find a world leader that has done worse than the Trump. Turkey, Iran, and Brazil are worse - but that's not great company. Italy and the UK are arguably as bad. Beyond that? What happened to the country that used to lead the world when it came to the MERS, Ebola and H1N1 epidemics? How does a country go from being the best in the world to being among the worst in a matter of 5 years? I don’t defend Trump often but our society has been built on movement and contact. For a population it’s size and short history the US has dramatically changed how the world thinks and operates. But it’s hard to imagin anouther country that relies on travel more. That makes the US more vulnerable to this type of virus. Could our politicians have done better? I’m not sure because that takes cooperation from both parties. Only wars seem to bring us together and that only for a short time. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshiro Kamamura + 274 YK March 30, 2020 (edited) - he bets USA will eventually reach million cases - "by July, we will all be burying our relatives" - it's like a flu for 80 percent of people, and for those 20 percent that have to be connected to ventilators, about 50 percent won't make it. Which is consistent with the death reate in Italy and Spain - something below 10 percent of those who manifest symptoms. It probably depends a lot on the condition of the patients - obese, short of breath, diabetics, already overloaded organs are all serious risks. - Urges people to take the pandemic more seriously! Edited March 30, 2020 by Yoshiro Kamamura 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 March 30, 2020 Stats wise we have a turning. Time will tell if this is actually the crest of the wave. Prof. Levitt projected this. Italy still stands out as really bad treatment. Their death rates have not fallen despite new cases having flattened out a while ago. Perhaps it is the "help" they are getting from China Russia and Cuba, Germany seems to be not helping at all. I don't think the EU survives. EMU is probably going out the window. I expect a weak Lira Real and Franc are coming. The sharp deaths drop is probably related to being at the later stage of surreptitious treatment with HCQ/Z and HIV drug cocktail. Since the good Dr Raoult published his second study of 80 patients, I am pretty much certain that everyone is using that treatment if they can put their hands on the drug. If so, then the epidemic has crested in the US and as soon as hCQ/z is available in the millions of doses then we can all come back to normal entirely. Only NYC will continue as in Wuhan for a while longer. Then we see Italy and France (which BTW prohibited treatment with HCQ/Z and HIV antivirals). 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REAL Green + 65 March 30, 2020 I have noticed how this virus first wave has changed people from the “virus ain’t shit” to this is the “beginning of the end”. We have people here who say the BRI is alive and strong. Everything will get back to normal but better because my side will win type thing. They point to the US in glee as the virus takes its toll…on and on. Delusional behavior is everywhere along with madness of panic with health and welfare. Well the virus is going to wrap around the world in waves. This virus wave will be accompanied by economic fallout that is in effect the end of the world as we know it. We will be in a prolonged period of deep recessionary economics with whole sectors disabled by the required social distancing that will go on for many months ahead. Debt will be crushed and most consumers the world over have a lot of it. This debt crushing will be mitigated by money printing and helicopter money but that is only like an IV to the onset of the illness. Real economic activity as been cut. This will never be made up. It is gone and lost forever. There is nothing on the horizon to take the place of the powerful engine of economic growth called hyper globalism. The world is still delocalized by a peaking globalism of the last 10 years as China established itself as a powerful force of the manufacturing component of the global value chain system. Europe will also be impacted by this manufacturing export shock losing many markets that will gut its export industries. The US that outsourced so many products and skills will see its consumerism decimated. The population will scramble to “make things at home again”. The great “Wall Street” component of globalism neutered. Defaults and economic contagions will spread like wild fire along with a situation of a long and deep economic drought. Droughts are worse than floods because they tend to set in for long periods of decline but many times they are also interspersed with floods. This is what is likely ahead for our world. This is just getting started but it will not go away. The world has been altered but population have not digested this yet. When they do, they will be so concerned just about survival that we will not see the mass protest some speak of. Sure, there are going to be protests but when people are under great stress, they will look to the authorities to provide for their basic needs. People will turn to their community to solve problems that are better solved by locals. This can be a good thing because globalism went too far. It will now be a time of a return to less affluence of things but more of community that comes together in economic survival. Of course, not all is gone. A wounded globalism will remain. With such a large global population requiring monocultures and comparative advantage some globalism is inevitable. Trade networks will just shorten up. Global finance will end as we know it because confidence will be shattered by nationalistic policies to combat economic decline. Global capital flows are no risk off. Can you trust China at the moment for a large investment. Can you trust your own country for that matter? LOL. NO. The global asset markets which are just casinos of the rich will be greatly reduced. This is a new world and it can be said possibly a better one if you also realize great pain, suffering and at a minimum discomfort is ahead for most people. Dumb luck will of course help out individuals and nations alike but bad luck and irrational behavior will likely predominate. This is the end my friends of all you have been habituated to. It probably not the end of the world unless somebody starts WWIII but it is a new time of lower affluence, hard work, and lack of basics that wakes a global people up to a reality of planetary limits. 1 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, REAL Green said: Well the virus is going to wrap around the world in waves. This virus wave will be accompanied by economic fallout that is in effect the end of the world as we know it. We will be in a prolonged period of deep recessionary economics with whole sectors disabled by the required social distancing that will go on for many months ahead. Debt will be crushed and most consumers the world over have a lot of it. This debt crushing will be mitigated by money printing and helicopter money but that is only like an IV to the onset of the illness. Real economic activity as been cut. This will never be made up. It is gone and lost forever. There is nothing on the horizon to take the place of the powerful engine of economic growth called hyper globalism. There will be no social distancing. The epidemic has turned into a simple disease with easy medication to treat it. Second, in the dense cities where it can propagate so rapidly it can overwhelm the hospitals (1) we can stop the vast majority of cases from becoming hospitalizations (2) a majority or large minority of the population is already immune. In the heartland where it has not yet reached above 10% of the population you want to resume normal activity with the exception of schools and other large dense gatherings. and let it proceed through the summer as the propagation would be slow and the disease does not clog up the healthcare system when a cure is available. Hopefully we can have majority immunity by the end of summer. If not, then propagation is too slow, then we can add in larger social gatherings and restaurant dining to speed it up.. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 March 30, 2020 In the absence of a real threat to life from the virus once the treatments are broadly verified, the economic consequences of the stimulus and money printing and the absorption of garbage off the bank's balance sheets onto the Fed, would bring us back to a hyperstimulated economy speeding to replace China in the critical supply chains for medicine. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, REAL Green said: The world is still delocalized by a peaking globalism of the last 10 years as China established itself as a powerful force of the manufacturing component of the global value chain system. Europe will also be impacted by this manufacturing export shock losing many markets that will gut its export industries. The US that outsourced so many products and skills will see its consumerism decimated. The population will scramble to “make things at home again”. The great “Wall Street” component of globalism neutered. China is two things in manufacturing. It is where stuff goes to be made when it is NIMBY. Heavy chemicals, dirty mining etc. And it is strategically valuable industry that often makes no money but allows China to extort other countries, like it is doing to the US now. Where I think you are right is that Germany - with 50% of its economy in exports is in big trouble as this disruption has broken supply chains and that would eventually lead to regionalization of them, meaning that some of the German exports - perhaps up to a third that are in supply chains to Asia or to the US that would fall off. This pandemic has probably changed the way Millennials view chemical production and industry as it showed how dependent we are on the good will and function of other countries. Perhaps we will finally see them scrambling to get a technical education so they can operate factory machines and develop the skills that firms such as Flextronics couldn't find when they built their Wisconsin plant. States, and industries will have to come together to train the Millennials to be something other than baristas and waiters with various degrees in social(ism) science and the humanities where only the very best get to practice, while at least 50% never manage to. We just need to assure the Millennials that their industrial jobs aren't going to evaporate the way their parent's jobs did. 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerald (Jerry) Potts + 1 March 30, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 2:45 AM, Zhong Lu said: Ok. So it's basically a slightly deadlier version of the flu. Thx. No, it is 100 times more deadly than the flu! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerald (Jerry) Potts + 1 March 30, 2020 Hi, thanks for the add! I enjoy your articles and am following oil prices particularly in reference to the increased population of EVs: however COVID-19 has certainly exacerbated the trend to decreased oil demand. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, REAL Green said: People will turn to their community to solve problems that are better solved by locals. This can be a good thing because globalism went too far. It will now be a time of a return to less affluence of things but more of community that comes together in economic survival. Of course, not all is gone. A wounded globalism will remain. With such a large global population requiring monocultures and comparative advantage some globalism is inevitable. Trade networks will just shorten up. Global finance will end as we know it because confidence will be shattered by nationalistic policies to combat economic decline. Global capital flows are no risk off. Can you trust China at the moment for a large investment. Can you trust your own country for that matter? LOL. NO. The global asset markets which are just casinos of the rich will be greatly reduced. Regionalization creates an enormous opportunities or needs for investment, which will come with huge employment, large income shifts at the bottom and truncated incomes at the top and somewhat lower returns on investment. And price inflation. The wounded globalism's wound will be the scar where China used to be connected to it. I think the basic issue of globalism is that it was hijacked by the socialist global government folks of the Fabian persuasion that joined with China to deliberately knock down the US and make it dependent and then trip it up in all possible ways to put it under control of a global organization, 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshiro Kamamura + 274 YK March 30, 2020 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-was-denied-treatment-because-he-didnt-have-health-insurance/ar-BB11N147 17 years old boy died from the new virus after being denied treatment because he did not have health insurance This debunks 2 myths at once: - Everyone is treated regardless of social status - clearly, they are not - The new virus kills mostly only old and sick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb March 30, 2020 (edited) Love the posts from Real Green and 0R0 and I believe and have done for some years that something like this was bound to happen eventually especially with the rise of populism/nationalism. We're going to be worse off materially but there could be some positives from all of this as both of you describe. Already I am seeing so many women posting pictures of baking and funny things like that, I know it's a strange thing to notice but it just really hit home for some reason...while I've barely slept and eaten in the last week while I've tried to make sense of what is happening, they've just risen to the challenge in a primal sort of way and it has really lifted my spirits. RG "People will turn to their community to solve problems that are better solved by locals. This can be a good thing because globalism went too far. It will now be a time of a return to less affluence of things but more of community that comes together in economic survival" RG "This is a new world and it can be said possibly a better one if you also realize great pain, suffering and at a minimum discomfort is ahead for most people. Dumb luck will of course help out individuals and nations alike but bad luck and irrational behavior will likely predominate. This is the end my friends of all you have been habituated to. It probably not the end of the world unless somebody starts WWIII but it is a new time of lower affluence, hard work, and lack of basics that wakes a global people up to a reality of planetary limits." 0R0 "Where I think you are right is that Germany - with 50% of its economy in exports is in big trouble as this disruption has broken supply chains and that would eventually lead to regionalization of them, meaning that some of the German exports - perhaps up to a third that are in supply chains to Asia or to the US that would fall off." Been saying this for years as has George Freidman...interesting 0R0 "This pandemic has probably changed the way Millennials view chemical production and industry as it showed how dependent we are on the good will and function of other countries. Perhaps we will finally see them scrambling to get a technical education so they can operate factory machines and develop the skills that firms such as Flextronics couldn't find when they built their Wisconsin plant. States, and industries will have to come together to train the Millennials to be something other than baristas and waiters with various degrees in social(ism) science and the humanities where only the very best get to practice, while at least 50% never manage to." We just need to assure the Millennials that their industrial jobs aren't going to evaporate the way their parent's jobs did. " Yes please!!! 0R0 "Regionalization creates an enormous opportunities or needs for investment, which will come with huge employment, large income shifts at the bottom and truncated incomes at the top and somewhat lower returns on investment. And price inflation. " ------- Some people laughed when when I said I was strangely positive dispite the fear of having no work etc but what you guys wrote above is why. It's not comparable but even after the fall of the Soviet Union (and people really did suffer) most people survived and got on with life because that is what we do as humans. Cheers Nick Edited March 30, 2020 by El Nikko 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb March 31, 2020 And as if by magic 0R0 & Real Green 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerry Maddoux + 3,627 GM March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, El Nikko said: 2 hours ago, El Nikko said: Some people laughed when when I said I was strangely positive dispite the fear of having no work etc but what you guys wrote above is why. It's not comparable but even after the fall of the Soviet Union (and people really did suffer) most people survived and got on with life because that is what we do as humans. Well said, Nick, and if they laughed, let them. This is a time to be positive. Most people on this site have been more than positive. I agree with you: Oro has maintained an even strain throughout this ordeal. And he was the most vocal advocate of the hydroxchloroquine/Zithromax treatment. He should probably be on someone's advisory staff. I, like you, think we're going to come out of this permanently changed, and for the better. I think employment is going to pick up dramatically. Actually, Bill Ackerman (of whom I'm not always fond) had a great suggestion for the president yesterday: great time to build out a new infrastructure (read the New Deal). This would goose the need for crude oil and natural gas too. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb March 31, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said: Well said, Nick, and if they laughed, let them. This is a time to be positive. Most people on this site have been more than positive. I agree with you: Oro has maintained an even strain throughout this ordeal. And he was the most vocal advocate of the hydroxchloroquine/Zithromax treatment. He should probably be on someone's advisory staff. I, like you, think we're going to come out of this permanently changed, and for the better. I think employment is going to pick up dramatically. Actually, Bill Ackerman (of whom I'm not always fond) had a great suggestion for the president yesterday: great time to build out a new infrastructure (read the New Deal). This would goose the need for crude oil and natural gas too. It certainly is a time to be positive, I think many people in all kinds of industry have spent too time time (justifiably) fearing the next down or recession because the last decade or so have been very uncertain. I don't know where I saw the quote but it resonated with me a lot "there's nothing to fear but fear it's self" All the best Edited March 31, 2020 by El Nikko Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REAL Green + 65 March 31, 2020 Many people act like the world is in exaggerated panic. They are narrow minded and trying to look at the tree instead of the forest. We were in a hyper complex world with complicated system and networks. The flue and other causes of death are factored into this world as knowns. They are deadly but normal. This virus is deadly and new. It is not normal and it is extremely disruptive because of the infectiousness and how deadly it is on the vulnerable. This then disturbed the economic system because of the widespread steps needed to avoid a huge spike in sickness and death. In previous times before the hyper specialization of social and economic nodes a sickness like this would run its course and cleans the population of the weak. That is the disinterested view of how nature worked in the past on human populations but effectively fortified our species. In a brittle world of hyper specialization of monocultures and global networks this is a disaster. Today, it is more than the cleansing of the weak humans it is the cleansing of an unsustainable system, networks, and lifestyles. The world is in overshoot in this respect so this cleansing is a major disruption. Humans are at limits. Globalism may be resilient but only a brittle resilience if all goes well. The results did not go well. Sure, there was panic and exaggeration but also apathy and stupidity of a system and people unsustainable and lacking a wise resilience from decades of poor behavior. This is both with health and way of life built up over a very long time or in other words, habituated. So “exaggerated” is only the tree but the forest is a bifurcated threshold of stability. This is a process and there is still lots of healthy people living with strong networks and systems. The problem is the damage has been done and this is now systematic with nodes of vital support. Globalism’s connectivity both physical and abstract is damaged. The all-important value chains for growth and affluence are in tatters. They were retrenching even before this virus hit but now, they are bloody and raw. There will be a price to pay to retrench and there is also the lost opportunity of growth at a time where time to change is short. Time can never be made up. What is lost is gone. The world has now dropped a level of potential and with affluence. We have just not digested this event yet let alone the slow boil of the process. Confidence has not really panicked yet in this regard. The world is too panicked about the virus but not the world ahead where work must be performed in a world with a underlying system damaged. This virus is a vacation. It is exciting in a dark way. It is not normal and productive. This is deadly and long term. Knowledge is being lost in regards to education. Infrastructure is decaying and not repaired etc. Looking forward in this process of decline one can see more steps down as economic abandonment takes its toll. Dysfunctional networks designed for a different world will result and will have to reorganize. There is a price for that. Irrational behavior and policy will result and cause further “change pain”. Bad policy is expensive because it represents failed behavior. Confidence is the liquidity of modern life and mover of armies. This has taken a hit. This means fiat currency and trust in trade is not where it was. This will drive more damage to growth. Degrowth is now the trend with a world built on growth. A new narrative will be needed but that narrative is only now on the fringe of awakened people who are honest with science. Even less of these honest people are honest about solutions. There are solutions to particular problems but not our carbon trap and systematic path dependencies of calling on growth to solve our issues. We are now in a world of planetary decline and economic and social degrowth pointing fingers at everyone and everything instead of ourselves. What is called for is lower scale but that will take time. Again, time is something we do not have in many problematic areas. So, the virus was a black swan disruptor. It could have been something else like war of a great natural disaster. The virus will define us but the outcome is not much difference from other black swans and that is decline, decay and disfunction that comes with degrowth. Modern man can take this decline and through the wise use of intelligence and sacrifice adapt but not before much is lost. All could be lost if we do not get our shit together and quick. Realgreenadaptation.blog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff Guenther + 317 March 31, 2020 10 hours ago, El Nikko said: And as if by magic 0R0 & Real Green Telegraph headline of I wouldn't place too much faith in the Telegraph/Barclay brothers and their promises of manufacturing coming to Britain. They've been promising a manufacturing boom because of Brexit for four years now, and all we've seen is an acceleration of companies leaving the country. What I do see happening, though, is an accelerated shift to robotics for manufacturing. The fewer people required for the process, the less risk people pose to production. This may or may not be at the cost of globalisation but we'll certainly see. We are certainly due for a realignment of the economy. The fact that few families in the West have the luxury of being able to live off a single - and many struggle even with two - mirrors the problems that the Soviets had 30-40 years ago. What we have right now was going to break, and having America take on another $20 trillion in debt may just break it. I'm looking forward to discussions about how the future economy should be structured. I'm worried that Bernie bros will push too much government control, worried that Koch-style anarchist/libertarians will set up a corporatist state, and worried that the religious right will become the Taliban. But at the same time, I'm optimistic that we can develop a working model that benefits people much more than our current one. And without all the cheap plastic toys that we all feel we need to buy for our kids with the second income. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said: I wouldn't place too much faith in the Telegraph/Barclay brothers and their promises of manufacturing coming to Britain. They've been promising a manufacturing boom because of Brexit for four years now, and all we've seen is an acceleration of companies leaving the country. What I do see happening, though, is an accelerated shift to robotics for manufacturing. The fewer people required for the process, the less risk people pose to production. This may or may not be at the cost of globalisation but we'll certainly see. We are certainly due for a realignment of the economy. The fact that few families in the West have the luxury of being able to live off a single - and many struggle even with two - mirrors the problems that the Soviets had 30-40 years ago. What we have right now was going to break, and having America take on another $20 trillion in debt may just break it. I'm looking forward to discussions about how the future economy should be structured. I'm worried that Bernie bros will push too much government control, worried that Koch-style anarchist/libertarians will set up a corporatist state, and worried that the religious right will become the Taliban. But at the same time, I'm optimistic that we can develop a working model that benefits people much more than our current one. And without all the cheap plastic toys that we all feel we need to buy for our kids with the second income. I don't trust any MSM as far as I could throw their entire staff of low IQ copy & paste specialists I just thought it was funny that after talking about this for a few days suddenly some of our talking points pop up in the news. I think the the bit I highlighted in bold is a very serious issue they will need to address, the resentment felt by many will only get worse. People don't want things handed to them on a plate but they do want the oportunity to achieve close to what their parents had (the dream sold to us) without sacrificing having children. When I look at house prices and the the artificlally high competition caused by draining other countries of their educated workers I really do worry for the next generation. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REAL Green + 65 March 31, 2020 “We Need to Talk About Catastrophic Global Risk” https://tinyurl.com/skc2ut5 David Korowicz “The systems which underpin our lives are increasingly brittle and face growing array of intensifying pressures, we must prepare…Conclusion We do not know what the future will bring. Risk is a measure of impact and likelihood. The impacts outlined above could be devastating. We’ve also suggested that the likelihood of destabilization and catastrophic systemic failure is growing. We are manifestly ill-prepared to deal with such consequences. We can hope and work towards kinder futures, but we must also prepare for things going seriously wrong.” realgreenadaptation.blog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites