Philip Branton 0 March 31, 2020 What will be interesting is the underlying data surrounding vaping or alternative smoking habits that may have further revealing reverberations impacting mutations and or second wave spread..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSavior + 2 April 1, 2020 Do Not Let The Data, Statistics & Science Deceive You, The World Cup Corona Virus NCOV Just Begin There are too much bullshit about data & science on this pandemic event. All of them do not have any clue or understand a basic rule of data is that database & statistic only have meaning after a long period from at least 9 to 12 months. And the new corona virus global only just began few months. If you want to look at the data & statistic, you must look at details, not just a cover only. Where are the people infected density per country? Where are the death rate after certain amount of day from get infected? Example: If old people group die after 30 days from get infected rate could be 100% then that group database after 60 days 90 days 120 days to 360 days are stay the same. While the young group may have not die within 30 days after get infected, but what about after 90 days 180 days or 360 days? Do any of you know and sure about that data and statistic? And if after 180 days all the young group also die because of this NCOV COVID-19, so which mean all the young people group and old people group are the same in 180 days league!!! You cannot say it only affect old people group. Casualty rate mean nothing if you only look at the cover overall. That is just an basic knowledge but many of you do not even understand. I have said about science already in many previous post, it only for kids. If you wait for the science then the world would collapse like the 2012 movies because of ice melting for sure !!! You guys better wake up quick before too late. Only me the savior Messiah can save you guys. Best Regard,The Savior 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tariq waseem 0 April 1, 2020 There appears to be a big misconception about asymptomatic carrier(more sinister) instead of asymptomatic infection with probably a shorter and/or milder course of virus shedding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 April 1, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 1:24 AM, Geoff Guenther said: Do you have something to add to the conversation or are you just going to mock people for pointing out that Trump has completely vacated his responsibilities? Are you suggesting that each and every State gets exactly what they demand...even though these supplies do not physically exist at the moment? I wonder what percentage of the Florida population is termed elderly or ‘at risk’? Are you familiar with the term ‘snowbirds’? How has Trump ‘vacated his responsibilities’? Is this because his actions do not agree with what you think should be done? Are you assuming that you have the same amount of access to information and data that Trump has? You hate Trump, we get that, no need for a daily rant. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshiro Kamamura + 274 YK April 1, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said: Are you suggesting that each and every State gets exactly what they demand...even though these supplies do not physically exist at the moment? I wonder what percentage of the Florida population is termed elderly or ‘at risk’? Are you familiar with the term ‘snowbirds’? How has Trump ‘vacated his responsibilities’? Is this because his actions do not agree with what you think should be done? Are you assuming that you have the same amount of access to information and data that Trump has? You hate Trump, we get that, no need for a daily rant. Well, he wasted a lot of time sticking to his delusions about how the problem is trivial, it's just a hoax, democrat's play, just a flue, typical nonsense like that, spewing random lies instead of executing meaningful and coherent plan, and the result will be tens thousands of dead that could live, if a competent coordinator would sit in his place - or at least someone who can pick competent people instead of spineless yes-men. You can see it even on Trump cultists in this forum - and John Oliver was not far with his "free market death cult" - empty stare, you confront them with all the lies Trump said and keeps on telling every day, you confront them with scientific facts and prognoses, and they ignore it all, blank stares in their faces, and then they suddenly burst into erratic motion, chanting with hollow, Borg-like voices: "MUST ... PROTECT... PROFITS", "HUMANS... DO ... NOT... MATTER", "SWALLOW HYDROCHLOROQUINE... AND BACK TO WORK, HUMAN!" and "SAVE ... THE ... ECONOMY...". It's a horror show, but on multiple levels. Edited April 1, 2020 by Yoshiro Kamamura 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 April 1, 2020 “You hate Trump, we get that, no need for a daily rant.” Works just as well for Yoshiro. 1 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uvuvwevwevwe Onyetenyevwe Ugwemuhwem Osas + 96 U April 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Yoshiro Kamamura said: You can see it even on Trump cultists in this forum - and John Oliver was not far with his "free market death cult" - empty stare, you confront them with all the lies Trump said and keeps on telling every day, you confront them with scientific facts and prognoses, and they ignore it all, blank stares in their faces, and then they suddenly burst into erratic motion, chanting with hollow, Borg-like voices: "MUST ... PROTECT... PROFITS", "HUMANS... DO ... NOT... MATTER", "SWALLOW HYDROCHLOROQUINE... AND BACK TO WORK, HUMAN!" and "SAVE ... THE ... ECONOMY...". It's a horror show, but on multiple levels. If the US economy shuts down (for more than a few months), potentially millions will die of deprivation/starvation. https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810 Shutting down an economy is essentially what happens in socialist/communist countries. The difference between socialism/communism and the coronavirus is that the coronavirus kills mainly the elderly and those with bad health, while under socialism/communism, mostly children/women die because they are too weak to fight for food and resources. If the coronavirus were killing children and pregnant women, then absolutely, shut down the economy, because there is no future without children and women. Watch what will happen in a few months from now to oil countries, if oil prices stay low. Thousands/millions will starve, starting with children and women because they are weak. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Coronavirus-Is-Causing-Mass-Fuel-Shortages-In-Venezuela.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/24/venezuela-hungry-food-insecure-un-world-food-program 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 1, 2020 12 hours ago, TheSavior said: You guys better wake up quick before too late. Only me the savior Messiah can save you guys. Best Regard,The Savior I'm doomed then. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: I'm doomed then. Yep, I’m fooked too! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb April 1, 2020 (edited) Take a look at this, combined mortality of elderly still way lower than the mortality of elderly 3 years ago. Edited April 1, 2020 by El Nikko 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Yoshiro Kamamura said: Well, he wasted a lot of time sticking to his delusions about how the problem is trivial, it's just a hoax, democrat's play, just a flue, typical nonsense like that, spewing random lies instead of executing meaningful and coherent plan, and the result will be tens thousands of dead that could live, if a competent coordinator would sit in his place - or at least someone who can pick competent people instead of spineless yes-men. You can see it even on Trump cultists in this forum - and John Oliver was not far with his "free market death cult" - empty stare, you confront them with all the lies Trump said and keeps on telling every day, you confront them with scientific facts and prognoses, and they ignore it all, blank stares in their faces, and then they suddenly burst into erratic motion, chanting with hollow, Borg-like voices: "MUST ... PROTECT... PROFITS", "HUMANS... DO ... NOT... MATTER", "SWALLOW HYDROCHLOROQUINE... AND BACK TO WORK, HUMAN!" and "SAVE ... THE ... ECONOMY...". It's a horror show, but on multiple levels. As a CCP agent, what additional disinformation about the Wuhan Coronavirus did you have in mind to "help" the US healthcare bureaucracy and the Administration? China's cooked books tracking the Wuhan coronavirus and lies about every epidemiological aspect of its properties. Till it came to a breakout in the West, the reality of it was unknown. The rapid testing and quarantine reaction in the countries that did succeed, HK, Singapore, Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan were due to a successful implementation of plans derived from their experience of the SARS epidemic. Everyone wants to get back to work. HCQ/Z treatment would make the risk far smaller. This is not a case of directing slave labor into working at the edge of a cliff. Though Trump does have a loose relationship with facts, it does not mean that all he says are lies nor that his proclivity for exaggeration doesn't come with some reality behind it. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrept33 + 609 st April 1, 2020 I think this really shows the difference between the outbreak between China and the US: Many of those small bubbles are getting much larger now. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 April 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, surrept33 said: I think this really shows the difference between the outbreak between China and the US: Many of those small bubbles are getting much larger now. If you can believe what information comes out of China. https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Our own CIA just confirmed that China is not giving true statistics. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, ronwagn said: Our own CIA just confirmed that China is not giving true statistics. Um ... not sure which of those Cs I generally disbelieve more. 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb April 1, 2020 How many tests did China do out of a population of almost 1.4 billion people? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb April 2, 2020 "Many UK health spokespersons have been careful to repeatedly say that the numbers quoted in the UK indicate death with the virus, not death due to the virus – this matters. When giving evidence in parliament a few days ago, Prof. Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London said that he now expects fewer than 20,000 Covid-19 deaths in the UK but, importantly, two-thirds of these people would have died anyway. In other words, he suggests that the crude figure for ‘Covid deaths’ is three times higher than the number who have actually been killed by Covid-19 " https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths- 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb April 2, 2020 https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/no_author/covid-19s-meant-to-be-a-new-black-death-but-in-britain-no-more-people-are-dying-than-normal/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REAL Green + 65 April 2, 2020 Lew Rockwell?? Next we will see nutter sites like global research dot com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb April 2, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, REAL Green said: Lew Rockwell?? Next we will see nutter sites like global research dot com I've never heard of him but the links in the article are from more reputable sites, personally I'm only interested in actual data. Unfortunately the situation we're in right now is one where everyone wants to know the answer before the results are in. It's like looking at a painting from 3 inches away, you can't see the whole picture until you stand back from it. P.S It was an article from RT oringinally by the looks of it Edited April 2, 2020 by El Nikko 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hotone + 412 April 2, 2020 19 hours ago, 0R0 said: As a CCP agent, what additional disinformation about the Wuhan Coronavirus did you have in mind to "help" the US healthcare bureaucracy and the Administration? China's cooked books tracking the Wuhan coronavirus and lies about every epidemiological aspect of its properties. Till it came to a breakout in the West, the reality of it was unknown. The rapid testing and quarantine reaction in the countries that did succeed, HK, Singapore, Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan were due to a successful implementation of plans derived from their experience of the SARS epidemic. Everyone wants to get back to work. HCQ/Z treatment would make the risk far smaller. This is not a case of directing slave labor into working at the edge of a cliff. Though Trump does have a loose relationship with facts, it does not mean that all he says are lies nor that his proclivity for exaggeration doesn't come with some reality behind it. Take Japan off the list. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/asia/japan-coronavirus-shinzo-abe-masks-hnk-intl/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don Reitsma + 3 April 2, 2020 ...and you believe the Chinese data and subscribe to how they apparently controlled the virus? If you have worked in China you know that neither are advisable. I suggest you use the Russian data - it is much better to support your argument. Do you want to re-run it with reports from the USA? Seems to me it is much more deadly than the seasonal flu if Italian and Spanish analogs are any indicator. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REAL Green + 65 April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, El Nikko said: I've never heard of him but the links in the article are from more reputable sites, personally I'm only interested in actual data. Unfortunately the situation we're in right now is one where everyone wants to know the answer before the results are in. It's like looking at a painting from 3 inches away, you can't see the whole picture until you stand back from it. P.S It was an article from RT oringinally by the looks of it Point taken. I look at all sources like an old time gold miner sifting through his gold pan for a nugget of truth in the daily stream of noise. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jan van Eck + 7,558 MG April 2, 2020 This is from a local New York publication, which I copy and paste without comment, just something to digest: Mobile morgues take to the streets “When you overwhelm the health system, you also overwhelm the death system,” Patrick J. Kearns, a funeral director with funeral homes in Queens and Staten Island, told the Times Thursday. At present, hospitals have more patients and bodies than they can handle, funeral directors are being inundated with remains, all while cemeteries have reduced staff in response to the pandemic. In response, the city is allowing crematories to operate around the clock and has dispatched 45 refrigerated trailers around the city to act as mobile morgues. FEMA is bringing another 85 units, as the city prepares for the death toll from COVID-19 to continue to grow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jan van Eck + 7,558 MG April 2, 2020 FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency, for you non-Americans) is also shipping in some 250 ambulances plus crews to take some of the load off the City units. They don't have enough equipment to remove the ill from homes to the hospitals. Amazing stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites