Charts of COVID-19 Fatality Rate by Age and Sex

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13 hours ago, grizzly bear said:

Come on guys!!!

HYDROXYCloroquine  kills it dead in a few hours..  Media scare porn is not speaking about it.  

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/qa/

Not a few hours but in most cases by 5 days and halves the viral load within 3 days. 

Thanks for the video.

Yes, the surge is over.  There are fewer severe cases brought in. This is the residual cases that didn't want to challenge the "chaos" at the hospitals so delayed coming in. But New York is not out of the woods entirely. They still have elevated temperature reading rates 2% above the national average (the quarantine killed the flu so we are tracking well below normal rates of elevated temps for the season.) 

It looks like it is over in the heartland, and peaked in NYC, as we would have expected from the progression of elevated temperature occurrences. (see chart below NY stats for yesterday) 

We have perfectly fine tools for the prediction of the trend because of temperature data. So the blowhard epidemiologists following models for the spread of bird flu through a chicken coop are predicting utter BS of the kind we normally expect from the CCP or Iran. 

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Utter garbage.The scarier the merrier the media. This is climate change writ large. 

As we can see, the peak in new cases presenting as elevated temperature was in Mar 14 for Queens NY, the actual epicenter of the contagion.

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Edited April 6, 2020 by 0R0

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It is over in Ohio precisely as predicted by the fever readings occurrences progression chart

Over in Columbus - Edit Bad charts. Data from tests was not logged in over Sunday, I guess somebody didn't get their overtime approved. 

Here are today's late afternoon data charts for Ohio.

Over in Cleveland Edit - improved but there yet.

Over in Cincinnati Edit - pretty much so. 

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by 0R0
updated and corrected

[Alexia Carrera + 4]

In 1918 The Spanish Flu killed 50 million people worldwide!!!

If you do a little Google Search... The seasonal flu has 5 million cases worldwide every year. The Coronavirus pandemic has already reached its peak by now and the graph is decreasing. There won't be more than a few millions (around 3 million) infected worldwide by the SARS-CoV-2 and only around 150,000 deaths. The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. The Coronavirus Pandemic has killed around 70,000 worldwide by now. Plus it is only dangerous to people with extremely bad immune systems or the eldery who naturally has a weak immune system.
Just like the flu.
In 2003, 24.7 million influenza cases occurred in the U.S., with 31.4 million flu-related outpatient office visits, 334,185 hospital stays, and 41,008 deaths. And this one affected the younger population much more. Did the world stop because of it like with Coronavirus today??? NO!!!

Just keep these few simple number on your head and don't cede your logic and reasoning to emotions and the insanity of feelings. Don't panic over politicized fake news. Try to use your intelligence in the most simple and effective way. Get your facts straightened up! Plus there are MANY antiviral medications that can be effective against any viruses even HIV...if you're really paranoid!!! There are vaccines for Coronavirus for pets... I've seen it. And why weren't the other pandemics politicized just like Coronavirus??? Weren't they taking it seriously then?! What then??? What is the purpose of all this?! To protect everybody??? When did governments cared about their people (specially EVERYBODY) just like that?!
Oh... come on already!! Open a fundraiser to "combat" the Coronavirus already!!! The more advantage people take from this the more seriously they will take this pandemic.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/490856-when-will-coronaviruses-cases-peak-in-your-state

 

https://ourworldindata.org/homicides

Edited April 6, 2020 by Alexia Carrera

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2 minutes ago, Alexia Carrera said:

In 1918 The Spanish Flu killed 50 million people worldwide!!!

If you do a little Google Search... The seasonal flu kills 5 million people worldwide every year. The Coronavirus pandemic has already reached its peak by now and the graph is decreasing. There won't be more than a few millions (around 3 million) infected worldwide by the SARS-CoV-2. The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. The Coronavirus Pandemic has killed around 70,000 worldwide. Plus it is only dangerous to people with extremely bad immune systems or the eldery who naturally has a weak immune system.
Just like the flu.
In 2003, 24.7 million influenza cases occurred in the U.S., with 31.4 million flu-related outpatient office visits, 334,185 hospital stays, and 41,008 deaths. And this one affected the young population much more. Did the world stop because of it like with Coronavirus today??? NO!!!

Just keep these few simple number on your head and don't cede your logic and reasoning to emotions and the insanity of feelings. Don't panic over politicized fake news. Try to use your intelligence in the most simple and effective way. Plus there are MANY antiviral medications that can be effective against any viruses even HIV...!!! There are vaccines for Coronavirus for pets... I've seen it. And why weren't the other pandemics politicized just like Coronavirus??? Weren't they taking it seriously then?! What then??? What is the purpose of all this?! To protect everybody??? When did governments cared about their people (specially EVERYBODY) just like that?!
Oh... come on already!! Open a fundraiser to "combat" the Coronavirus already!!! The more advantage people take from this the more seriously they will take this pandemic.

The infection rate is extremely high. It is not a flu going through. The good thing is that for the young, at low viral load exposure there are only a handful of severe cases and very few deaths. All as you say. But it is only the severe cases and hospital workers that are tested. Only Germany, Korea Singapore and Taiwan test far more broadly. So this isn't a comparable number. We don't have a number for CV19 penetration. We can presume that Wuhan with 9 of 11 million people remaining in the quarantine had all gotten it, 80-90%. Deaths, by crematoria activity and urn deliveries amount to 100k +/- 50% (my preferred number is 160k). so a 1% mortality without medical treatment. Hence the panic. If the Chinese gave us real data we could have made better choices, but they didn't. 

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4 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

The link is not a medical site, more finance nonsense.

If hydroxycloroquine worked as well as you advertise, media scare or not, it would be being used.

At the end of the prior week 23% of surveyed US doctors treating CV19 patients prescribed HCQ. 1000 person trial is going on in NYC by the State. Numerous others ongoing. 

In Europe, last week 70% surveyed had started using the cocktail with zithromax. 

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1 hour ago, Alexia Carrera said:

Plus it is only dangerous to people with extremely bad immune systems or the eldery who naturally has a weak immune system.

Then why are many young people in their 20's+30's with NO underlying health issues dying from it??

I agree it is more deadly with the elderly but it is just plain false to make this statement

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2 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Then why are many young people in their 20's+30's with NO underlying health issues dying from it??

I agree it is more deadly with the elderly but it is just plain false to make this statement

Obesity, smoking and or vaping are a big issues for all age groups.  Are you in shape of fat?  Do you smoke or vape and fat?  Maybe you have a condition you don't know about.  Maybe you are young with asthma but didn't realize it.   From what I have read on this virus it "tires people out" meaning people are not in good enough shape to maintain the necessary breathing once the lungs are compromised.  Once on a ventilator than it is a carp shoot from anyone.

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5 minutes ago, REAL Green said:

2 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Then why are many young people in their 20's+30's with NO underlying health issues dying from it??

I agree it is more deadly with the elderly but it is just plain false to make this statement

Obesity, smoking and or vaping are a big issues for all age groups.  Are you in shape of fat?  Do you smoke or vape and fat?  Maybe you have a condition you don't know about.  Maybe you are young with asthma but didn't realize it.   From what I have read on this virus it "tires people out" meaning people are not in good enough shape to maintain the necessary breathing once the lungs are compromised.  Once on a ventilator than it is a carp shoot from anyone.

See above where it says  NO underlying health issues

There is a guy I know who is 34 runs several marathons a year along with doing iron man competitions etc, he has never smoked, hasn't got any respiratory issues, isn't fat, has no heart conditions and yet he is now in the local hospital with this virus on a ventilator in a serious condition.

This is what I don't understand about this virus, it seems with the majority of people its quite a mild infection. However with some people it develops and agressively attacks the lungs and yes almost tires people to death, which is why the elderly go first.

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48 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

See above where it says  NO underlying health issues

There is a guy I know who is 34 runs several marathons a year along with doing iron man competitions etc, he has never smoked, hasn't got any respiratory issues, isn't fat, has no heart conditions and yet he is now in the local hospital with this virus on a ventilator in a serious condition.

This is what I don't understand about this virus, it seems with the majority of people its quite a mild infection. However with some people it develops and agressively attacks the lungs and yes almost tires people to death, which is why the elderly go first.

Genetics.  Same reason some smoking chimneys can climb Everest without oxygen. Same reason my great grandparents lineage all lived past 95 years old in all 11 children and 1 died in late 80's....  yet their children, not one of them lived past 82.  Most died in their 70's. 

[grizzly bear + 8]

Someone here put up this independent data site that looks to be reliable.  

http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Genetics.  Same reason some smoking chimneys can climb Everest without oxygen. Same reason my great grandparents lineage all lived past 95 years old in all 11 children and 1 died in late 80's....  yet their children, not one of them lived past 82.  Most died in their 70's. 

I agree that there must be something in the physiology of certain people that makes them far more susceptible to this virus and that could well be genetic. Some very unhealthy people are contracting this and getting almost no symptoms.

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1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

I agree that there must be something in the physiology of certain people that makes them far more susceptible to this virus and that could well be genetic. Some very unhealthy people are contracting this and getting almost no symptoms.

The development--or not--of the fabled cytokine storm determines ventilator or not, life or death. This outpouring of cytokines--fever molecules that fight infection--is usually associated not with the very young or very old but the folks in the middle with great, well-developed immune systems, having been challenged by various offending microbes. 

This virus is so weird! It replicates in the nasopharynx and trachea without much fever, only a dry cough or sore throat. After endocytosis (engulfment) by the epithelial cells, it replicates per usual for a virus but remains in the cell, where large numbers of viruses form a "pouch." When thousands of those pouches reach critical mass, they mostly get "washed off" and floated downstream--into the lower respiratory tract (bronchi, bronchioles, alveoli)--at one time, producing a giant infectivity there by bursting out of their pouches. 

This sudden release of hundred of thousands of viruses all at one time in the most vulnerable part of the respiratory tree causes--in some people--this cytokine storm as the immune system goes parabolic trying to fight it. Therefore, the virus is tricking the human body to create a form of auto-immune reaction so severe that it destroys lung tissue at an extraordinary rate. This is why someone goes into the hospital looking pretty good, with a decent oxygen saturation but with early pulmonary infiltrates on chest X-Ray and then deteriorates rapidly, sometimes so fast they die on a gurney in the hallway. So far, the likelihood of such a storm is not predictable. 

Is this storm related to the ACE-2 receptors a person has in the lungs? Probably, as those receptors serve as the gateway for the virus. This is exceedingly more complicated than the influenza virus, which enter cells through sialic acid endocytosis and don't form such large cellular pouches. Which leads to another question not being discussed: Will the taking of ACE-Inhibitors for high blood pressure reduce the entry of mass numbers (superinfection)? This is a very pertinent question, as ACE-I's are one of the most commonly used drugs in the world. Or, contrariwise, does an ACE-I increase entry in some bizarre way. I hope there is enough data-sharing to answer this and many other questions. 

This is a very, very sophisticated virus! Its RNA strand is much longer than most coronaviruses, thereby encoding for some very intricate mechanisms, all construed to kill certain people. The RNA strand is so much longer that it creates all sorts of conspiracy theories in my mind. I have no idea whether or not they are valid.

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4 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

See above where it says  NO underlying health issues

There is a guy I know who is 34 runs several marathons a year along with doing iron man competitions etc, he has never smoked, hasn't got any respiratory issues, isn't fat, has no heart conditions and yet he is now in the local hospital with this virus on a ventilator in a serious condition.

This is what I don't understand about this virus, it seems with the majority of people its quite a mild infection. However with some people it develops and agressively attacks the lungs and yes almost tires people to death, which is why the elderly go first.

It is a matter of the initial viral load at infection. From your friend's activities I would expect he had physical proximity to a carrier and was immune suppressed due to exercise while exposed. 

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55 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

This is a very, very sophisticated virus! Its RNA strand is much longer than most coronaviruses, thereby encoding for some very intricate mechanisms, all construed to kill certain people. The RNA strand is so much longer that it creates all sorts of conspiracy theories in my mind. I have no idea whether or not they are valid.

Valid options for the origin. This has 3 HIV 1 strands indicating artificial assembly with HIV 1 vectors. As the Indian researchers indicated, it is very unlikely to be natural. 

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1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

It is a matter of the initial viral load at infection.

I'm not sure this has been proven, though it makes sense. I suspect it has more to do with the availability of ACE-2 receptors (the primary gateway into the cell) and, to a lesser degree, HIV receptors (which is a weaker gateway into the cell). The number of these cell membrane receptors seems to be a very individual thing. 

 

1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

From your friend's activities I would expect he had physical proximity to a carrier and was immune suppressed due to exercise while exposed. 

Additionally, a fair percentage of marathoners have release of troponin, indicating mild degrees of myocardial damage invoked by extreme exercise. Since COVID-19 tries to kill cardiac patients, it is possible that the troponin release sets the stage for cardiac involvement. Parenthetically, it probably isn't a great idea to be involved in extreme sports during this pandemic--for that reason but also for the reason ORO gave above: immunosuppression with extreme exercise. Prudence is the name of the game, these days.  

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On 3/10/2020 at 5:29 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

For your consideration.  I've seen this information before, repeatedly.

 

This doctor is an idiot. Covid-19 is a novel viral infection. Most is the outbreaks listed trigggered an effort to contain the outbreaks and eliminate the novel infectious virus. SARS was in 2003. Only ~8,000 people were infected fewer than 200 died thanks to a concerted world-wide effort. The US had fewer than 10 cases. Ebola, MERS, Zika also did not have much impact in the US. One of the biggest challenges with Covid-19 I Is the potential to overwhelm the healthcare system as occurred in Spain and Italy. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

Valid options for the origin. This has 3 HIV 1 strands indicating artificial assembly with HIV 1 vectors. As the Indian researchers indicated, it is very unlikely to be natural. 

The genomic sequence do not suggest it is artificial. If you want there are a number of sites that collect the sequences. The link below is Trevor Bedford’s Twitter account. Bedford works at the Fred Hutchinson Center/University of Washington, he is on one the top genomic epidemiologist in the world. 
 

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1243754919623974915?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

 

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The authors of the publication, scientists from Imperial College in London, University of Queen Mary in London and Oxford, conducted their analysis using an epidemiological model, which fed data on the development of SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus infection and COVID-19 disease caused by it in China. As they write, among people who have developed symptoms of the disease, the mortality rate is 1.38 percent. On the other hand, among all infected, including those unrecognized, without symptoms or with mild symptoms (and it is estimated that 80% of infected people are affected by this disease), scientists estimated mortality at 0.66 percent The new estimates are therefore similar to those that scientists from other centers published two weeks ago in "Nature Medicine". Their calculations showed that mortality among people infected with SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus who developed symptoms reached 1.4 percent in China. How deadly is the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus actually? This is all the more important because the world is currently being flooded with news about deaths in Italy, Spain, Great Britain and the USA. Available data show that the highest victim suffers even close to 10 percent. infected! However, research shows that this data is highly overstated. And they are overstated because they do not take into account all infected - those undergoing disease mildly and those undergoing infection without any symptoms. So much good ne

 

Italian data are not representative also because of the fact that there is a significant number of emigrants from China, often illegal, in Lombardy, who by force do the least attractive jobs - including they work in nursing homes, all kinds of hospices.

In this type of facilities (in Poland their counterpart are care and treatment facilities called DPSs), there are people suffering from serious diseases, often in the terminal phase (discharged from the hospital to free up space) - so any infection brought in such a facility causes an avalanche of deaths - until recently the average age of victims in Italy was 81 years!

In Poland, unfortunately, there will also be an avalanche of deaths, because there was an infection in 2 facilities near Radom. The government has failed again, because such facilities should be subject to tight quarantine

In addition in Italy, the family model often foresees the housing of all generations together - which is rare even in poor Poland

Transferring Italian data to global populations also makes no sense.

Still about mortality I can cite Iceland which has carried out approximately 80,000 tests per million inhabitants - in summary, it has surveyed approximately 1/12 of the inhabitants of this small country As of today, there are 1562 cases of infection and ..... 6 deaths, i.e. less than 0.4%

In addition, research shows that we in the Eastern Bloc have much better survival results because in the Eastern Bloc, whole population so  at least in Poland people born after 1937  were vaccinated against tuberculosis.

This can be seen in Western Germany (not vaccinated) East Germany (vaccinated) Spain Italy (not vaccinated) Portugal (vaccinated because tuberculosis is a serious problem in Portugal).

Scientists are very much wondering what it comes from, but the difference even between Germany and East Germany or Spain and Portugal or generally countries where there was a  mandatory vaccination and where vaccinated was only optional is clearly visible in statistics.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Tomasz

[grizzly bear + 8]

Swedens response is very telling.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html

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23 minutes ago, grizzly bear said:

Swedens response is very telling.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html

Terrific. 

Rational people get good results, political poseurs and bureaucratic power grabbers don't.

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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/unprecedented-power-grab/

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12 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Then why are many young people in their 20's+30's with NO underlying health issues dying from it??

Few young people are dying from the coronavirus.
Why do children die of cancer?  Why do children have heart attacks?
 

10 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

See above where it says  NO underlying health issues

There is a guy I know who is 34 runs several marathons a year along with doing iron man competitions etc, he has never smoked, hasn't got any respiratory issues, isn't fat, has no heart conditions and yet he is now in the local hospital with this virus on a ventilator in a serious condition.

Being athletic does not equate to having a strong immune system.
In my opinion, the two most important things are:
(1) Viral Load - how much virus entered your body
(2) Immune System

No one is talking about this but I think fresh air is very important.
We need more field hospitals with separate tents for each person.
Putting sick people inside hospitals where everyone breaths the same air is a bad idea.

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9 hours ago, Uvuvwevwevwe Onyetenyevwe Ugwemuhwem Osas said:

Few young people are dying from the coronavirus.
Why do children die of cancer?  Why do children have heart attacks?
 

Being athletic does not equate to having a strong immune system.
In my opinion, the two most important things are:
(1) Viral Load - how much virus entered your body
(2) Immune System

No one is talking about this but I think fresh air is very important.
We need more field hospitals with separate tents for each person.
Putting sick people inside hospitals where everyone breaths the same air is a bad idea.

I agree with your points regarding immune system and viral load, and hospitals

When you say "few young people are dying" this seems to becoming more and more frequent now in the UK

Its not even news if someone young dies from it anymore.

If young people believe this isn't potentially very serious for their own health then they are deluded.

Our prime minister who is 55 and a bit overweight but runs and cycles regularly is now in intensive care, so I guess his immune system may not be as robust as most.

This virus respects nobody, God help you if you get a cytokine storm or "cytokine release syndrome" from this virus.

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21 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Our prime minister who is 55 and a bit overweight but runs and cycles regularly is now in intensive care, so I guess his immune system may not be as robust as most.

Should also take into account, he would not have been resting, he would have been fighting the virus from a personal point and as the countries leader. This virus I'm sure is bad enough without having to run the country at the same time. May have some relevance in why he couldn't shake it.

Hope he pulls through this and comes out the other end better for it.....

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

A current overview, for your consideration.  Questioning whether long term lockdown panic is necessary.

The arguments for a prolonged national lockdown are starting to sound strained.