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I have no time at all for the current obsession with electric cars. Market experience to date indicates that sales depend on government subsidies and not much else. Norway is a case in point. They've got electrics taken a big chunk of new car sales but only through subsidies that amount to half of the car price, according to a Financial Times estimate.. even then basically the electric is a second car for the better-off families. Its indulging the upper middle class who have the money for this nonsense while the poor have to pay. If the current obsession with carbon continues then hybrids are a better bet all round, and you can stick self-drive electronics on hybrids just as easily as on electrics - in fact more easily as there is less chance of running out of power..  

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On 3/9/2020 at 5:32 PM, markslawson said:

I have no time at all for the current obsession with electric cars. Market experience to date indicates that sales depend on government subsidies and not much else. Norway is a case in point. They've got electrics taken a big chunk of new car sales but only through subsidies that amount to half of the car price, according to a Financial Times estimate.. even then basically the electric is a second car for the better-off families. Its indulging the upper middle class who have the money for this nonsense while the poor have to pay. If the current obsession with carbon continues then hybrids are a better bet all round, and you can stick self-drive electronics on hybrids just as easily as on electrics - in fact more easily as there is less chance of running out of power..  

I concur.  Here in California; the Bill Mill has set the ship on a coarse by which the state will in the year 2040, no longer 'allow' any sales of New ICE autos.  Only EV's, Hybrids and Hydrogen fuel cell powered cars/trucks will be allowed on the lots of auto dealerships.  If you 'want' an ICE powered vehicle then you will have too go across state lines.  But here's the rub; the Gumps haven't told DMV if they can register a vehicle that is from out of state if ICE powered.  If not, it's my presumption they haven't factored in the lost revenues from those vehicles being registered in NV, OR, AZ etc...  

Of the millions of vehicles on the highways up & down the state; less than 3% are EV's or hybrids. Hydrogen fuel cell cars number less than 8K total. 

Another aspect that needs to be considered, Gov. Newsom last year signed an executive order forbidding any 'new wells' that would be fracked. The oil industry was able to for stall his attempts too forbid Any fracking. Thus existing wells that already are being fracked can continue, just no new wells will be permitted.  The rub here, the oil industry has been 'fracking' wells here in our oil patch for over 40 years.  Not one well has caused any pollution too ground water tables.  In fact the Massive agriculture industry across SoCal and the southern San Joaquin valley, has used treated flowback/produced water for irrigation needs during several droughts the state has experienced during that period. At no time has the use of this treated flowback for irrigation caused any issue where the crops grown were deemed unsafe for consumption by either the state or Fed EPA's.

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