Ward Smith + 6,615 April 12, 2020 First watch this video 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Hotone + 412 April 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ward Smith said: First watch this video Please use your coming sense. Even if you have such deep hatred and rage against China, don't spread crap which you know it's untrue. The world is already in such deep mess, the last thing we need is war. Why are you Americans so violent and unbalanced? Edited April 12, 2020 by Hotone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TooSteep + 142 IS April 13, 2020 Fantastic video. Meticulously researched. Compassionate outlook. Everybody should watch this. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 April 13, 2020 19 hours ago, Hotone said: Please use your coming sense. Even if you have such deep hatred and rage against China, don't spread crap which you know it's untrue. The world is already in such deep mess, the last thing we need is war. Why are you Americans so violent and unbalanced? Just looking for @frankfurter sock puppets. Thanks for outing yourselves 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffeeguyzz + 454 GM April 13, 2020 Mr. Smith I thank you for linking this video. For people uncomfortable with spending nearly an hour watching this, the ~10 minutes spent watching Part III - "The Discoveries of Dr. Shi Zhengli" (17:50 mark to 28:00) - indisputably reveal the laboratory-created nature of this virus. 21:30 - 22:00 describes the splicing of the SARS virus so as to enable cross species transmission ... aka to enable an immediate jump into humans. Interestingly (to me, anyway) is the depiction at the 25:50 mark of the "unique inserts" of the 4 new sequences from the HIV virus. The Indian researchers had described this (not mentioned in this video) as "not being fortuitous in nature" ... aka, this COVID crap is man made. The comment from Dr. Frank Boyle at 41:20 saying this is an " offensive biological warfare weapon" should resound within any open minded observer. In a - somewhat - unrelated vein, the fact that the just-released documentary "Out of Shadows" has just passed the 3 million view mark after 48 hours online, may indicate that an Awakening is starting to emerge worldwide. This (my last) comment directly addresses the final 10 minutes of the above video (Part V ..."Pandemic") ... as we all, every one of us, are presently engaged in a furious, oft times subtle war ... sadly - yet to great effect - not recognized by the wider public. Irrespective of whether the weapons range from bullets, bombs, viruses, false data, or other tactical means, the stakes are nothing short of complete submission to a system designed for total domination over the individual. Wakey wakey, folks. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Coffeeguyzz said: In a - somewhat - unrelated vein, the fact that the just-released documentary "Out of Shadows" has just passed the 3 million view mark after 48 hours online, may indicate that an Awakening is starting to emerge worldwide. Yep. It's now at 3.5 million views, and still rising rapidly, around 100,000 views an hour. https://community.oilprice.com/topic/12930-the-president-and-the-plague/?do=findComment&comment=102932 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 13, 2020 (edited) On 4/12/2020 at 10:04 PM, Hotone said: Please use your coming sense. Even if you have such deep hatred and rage against China, don't spread crap which you know it's untrue. The world is already in such deep mess, the last thing we need is war. Why are you Americans so violent and unbalanced? I understand the movie is about the theory of man-made nature of the virus ? What are the other main ideas of the movie ? Ward, have you watched it yourself, could you help ? (Like China released it by accident or on purpose and the domestic casualties are just to allow reasonable denial ?). And now short info why guys like Ward and the pack are doing such things. Republican and Democracts are like shiite and sunni muslims, they also hate some other people (Chinese ?) but most of all each other. The same is with Ward, the idea that Biden and not his prophet Trump could be elected is something totally horrible. And mind you no Chinese have chances to become next US President, so they are not an imminent danger for Ward, only Biden. The only path for Trump re-election is to convince most of his not so complicated voter base plus some undecided that it is China that is the most important topic of this campaign. It is not very easy as today another 2,000 Americans died of COVID19 and the economy is in the very bad state and deteriorating fast. Budget Office prediction is unemployment will rise from historical low of 3.5% in Q1 2020 to AT LEAST 12% in Q2 2020, an will stay very high till the end of 2021, the best projection is it will decrease to 9%. No US President EVER won election or re-election if the economy was going down so fast in election year and during such a deep depression (-28% in Q2 2020 by Congressional Budget Office). The only path for Trump is to quickly start big war , something at least like Iraqi Invasion 2003 or better like WW2 in Pacific Theater. Only very high American war casualties like 10,000+ could deviate Americans attention and SAVE Trump re-election. Fortunately all governments in the world are well aware of this situation, and are very cautious. So most probably nobody would get provoked by US even if BIG FALSE FLAG will occur in the next 3 months like shooting down Chinese commercial plane with 300+ people or something similar. Edited April 13, 2020 by Marcin2 typo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Marcin2 said: I understand the movie is about the theory of man-made nature of the virus ? What are the other main ideas of the movie ? Ward, have you watched it yourself, could you help ? (Like China released it by accident or on purpose and the domestic casualties are just to allow reasonable denial ?). And now short info why guys like Ward and the pack are doing such things. Republican and Democracts are like shiite and sunni muslims, they also hate some other people (Chinese ?) but most of all each other. The same is with Ward, the idea that Biden and not his prophet Trump could be elected is something totally horrible. And mind you no Chinese have chances to become next US President, so they are not an imminent danger for Ward, only Biden. The only path for Trump re-election is to convince most of his not so complicated voter base plus some undecided that it is China that is the most important topic of this campaign. It is not very easy as today another 2,000 Americans died of COVID19 and the economy is in the very bad state and deteriorating fast. Budget Office prediction is unemployment will rise from historical low of 3.5% in Q1 2020 to AT LEAST 12% in Q2 2020, an will stay very high till the end of 2021, the best projection is it will decrease to 9%. No US President EVER won election or re-election if the economy was going down so fast in election year and during such a deep depression (-28% in Q2 2020 by Congressional Budget Office). The only path for Trump is to quickly start big war , something at least like Iraqi Invasion 2003 or better like WW2 in Pacific Theater. Only very high American war casualties like 10,000+ could deviate Americans attention and SAVE Trump re-election. Fortunately all governments in the world are well aware of this situation, and are very cautious. So most probably nobody would get provoked by US even if BIG FALSE FLAG will occur in the next 3 months like shooting down Chinese commercial plane with 300+ people or something similar. Unless you have not noticed...here's a heads up. The US is at war right now...how that war will be conducted..That truly is the question.. What we are all seeing in this world has never been seen before. Give it time there will be a response. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TooSteep + 142 IS April 13, 2020 (edited) For the curious, some direct links to a few of the articles in the video: Shi Zhengli made many early bat coronavrius discoveries. Including the method by which SARS could invade humans. "The results show that ACE2s of Myotis daubentoni and Rhinolophus sinicus support viral entry mediated by the SARS-CoV S protein" http://www.msi.umn.edu/~lifang/otherflpapers/bat-ace2-archivesofvirology-2010.pdf And the first paper where they successfully isolated bat coronaviruses that could successfully integrate with human ACE2 receptors, without the need for an intermediate host: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258202912_Isolation_and_characterization_of_a_bat_SARS-like_coronavirus_that_uses_the_ACE2_receptor By 2015, Shi was synthetically engineering SARS-like vuruses: "On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo." "SARS-like viruses replicate in human airway cells and produce in vivo pathogenesis." "Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein." The SARS-like virus was the basis, with the key S-protein replaced by the one know to infect humans. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985.pdf) That paper and the research it showed had virologists worried as far back as November 2015: Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787 Apologies for the crap presentation/fonts. I was simply cutting and pasting quotes from within the papers. Edited April 13, 2020 by TooSteep 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrept33 + 609 st April 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Coffeeguyzz said: Interestingly (to me, anyway) is the depiction at the 25:50 mark of the "unique inserts" of the 4 new sequences from the HIV virus. The Indian researchers had described this (not mentioned in this video) as "not being fortuitous in nature" ... aka, this COVID crap is man made. I remember when this paper came out - it seemed to get a lot of researchers who said it was likely a false positive. Two of the matched sequences are extremely short (and if you were to do this type of sequence match, you could literally match a virus with hundreds of other organisms), and the other two are not perfect matches - they have have gaps in between. https://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-actually-seem-engineered-from-hiv/ Maybe natural recombination happened (once) again between two natural viruses and spread in a zoonotic fashion. This is nothing new - it was the explanation that the research community seemed to come to a consensus with regard to SARS-COV-1 (a combination of bat and chivet viruses) and other coronavirii zoonotic events in the past (article from 2010: https://jvi.asm.org/content/84/7/3134) The gain of function research seems extremely dangerous, but maybe it's valuable for vaccine research. China isn't the only place where that's done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hotone + 412 April 14, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Unless you have not noticed...here's a heads up. The US is at war right now...how that war will be conducted..That truly is the question.. What we are all seeing in this world has never been seen before. Give it time there will be a response. What is new? It is clear to the rest of the world and some Americans, that the US exists to make war. The US is behaving like a vampire that needs blood, otherwise it will cease to exist. https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-been-at-war-93-of-the-time-222-out-of-239-years-since-1776/5565946 Edited April 14, 2020 by Hotone 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 April 14, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 3:30 AM, UNC12345 said: Why spread this crap? Simply because it seems to annoy you and Hotone (is that pronounced hot one or ‘ho’ tony...🤔). You guys don’t seem to mind posting your bullshit, ‘what goes around, comes around’! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Thomas 2 + 10 April 14, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 7:24 PM, Coffeeguyzz said: Mr. Smith I thank you for linking this video. For people uncomfortable with spending nearly an hour watching this, the ~10 minutes spent watching Part III - "The Discoveries of Dr. Shi Zhengli" (17:50 mark to 28:00) - indisputably reveal the laboratory-created nature of this virus. 21:30 - 22:00 describes the splicing of the SARS virus so as to enable cross species transmission ... aka to enable an immediate jump into humans. Interestingly (to me, anyway) is the depiction at the 25:50 mark of the "unique inserts" of the 4 new sequences from the HIV virus. The Indian researchers had described this (not mentioned in this video) as "not being fortuitous in nature" ... aka, this COVID crap is man made. The comment from Dr. Frank Boyle at 41:20 saying this is an " offensive biological warfare weapon" should resound within any open minded observer. In a - somewhat - unrelated vein, the fact that the just-released documentary "Out of Shadows" has just passed the 3 million view mark after 48 hours online, may indicate that an Awakening is starting to emerge worldwide. This (my last) comment directly addresses the final 10 minutes of the above video (Part V ..."Pandemic") ... as we all, every one of us, are presently engaged in a furious, oft times subtle war ... sadly - yet to great effect - not recognized by the wider public. Irrespective of whether the weapons range from bullets, bombs, viruses, false data, or other tactical means, the stakes are nothing short of complete submission to a system designed for total domination over the individual. Wakey wakey, folks. Thanks T as always you're keeping me well informed. I'm just curious as to why the death rate might be so low in china compared to Europe. I understand their lockdowns were more severe and their pop is a bit younger. Especially considering the spread in Italy and U.K. perhaps seafood markets aren't the only places where it's being picked up. or Chinese folk just like the tourism there and I'm a silly cracker. Still the spread seems a bit unnatural/fast Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 April 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Hotone said: What is new? It is clear to the rest of the world and some Americans, that the US exists to make war. The US is behaving like a vampire that needs blood, otherwise it will cease to exist. https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-been-at-war-93-of-the-time-222-out-of-239-years-since-1776/5565946 You must be a young man, the US hate wars, with that being said the oil crisis will end much of that. Now that the US produces enough oil to move along by itself there will no be petro dollars to fund terrorist activities/socialist orginaztion. And then there is international trading....looks to me like everyone is going back to there own sandboxes.. Go FIGURE. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hypocrite + 2 OP April 14, 2020 (edited) The Epoch Times is not a credible source. They are the propaganda arm of religious fanatics repressed by CCP. They have an agenda that’s not truth driven it’s to drive their agenda. I have no illusions about the communist party of China that has concentration camps full of Muslims being brainwashed and forced to work as slaves. We know Bats are full of viruses 🦠 that don’t play well with humans. We also know that Chinese people eat everything and anything. I hope they just leave the Bats alone. Stop eating Bats. It’s the Bats 🦇 not a bio war attack. The biggest biohazard is The Biohazard in Chief ☣️ our very own Toxic Orange Stain who is out of his shallow depth unable to lead because all he can see is himself. Epoch Times is trying to start a shooting war for their own fanatical reasons. I don’t trust them or their lobbyists pretending to be journalists. this just in. https://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-officials-weigh-possibility-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-chinese-lab-194958353.html?soc_src=newsroom&soc_trk=com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard&.tsrc=newsroom Edited April 14, 2020 by Hypocrite 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 15, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 1:31 AM, Eyes Wide Open said: Unless you have not noticed...here's a heads up. The US is at war right now...how that war will be conducted..That truly is the question.. What we are all seeing in this world has never been seen before. Give it time there will be a response. This was seen many times, it is a typical hegemony conflict. The upside is that it will be civilized conflict with high probability cause we have nuclear weapons. The real „war” in technology and economic area started in May 2018 when ZTE was sanctioned. I am really unhappy that United States is not capable of any constructive counter action. China has doubled down on their biggest weakness that is R&D and nothing in this world will stop them until they reach complete self sufficiency. THEN and only then they will stop using US dollar and attack US with Chinese economic sanctions. We still have about 8 years. Please guys write about any US constructive action during the last 2 years to prepare for future Chinese sanctions. There should be already 1 trillion dollar fund and agency at cabinet level to make US independent of Chinese manufacturing and technology. China is decoupling from US at full speed and strength 24/7 of 1,400,000,000 people. What IS the US answer ? 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Marcin2 said: This was seen many times, it is a typical hegemony conflict. The upside is that it will be civilized conflict with high probability cause we have nuclear weapons. The real „war” in technology and economic area started in May 2018 when ZTE was sanctioned. I am really unhappy that United States is not capable of any constructive counter action. China has doubled down on their biggest weakness that is R&D and nothing in this world will stop them until they reach complete self sufficiency. THEN and only then they will stop using US dollar and attack US with Chinese economic sanctions. We still have about 8 years. Please guys write about any US constructive action during the last 2 years to prepare for future Chinese sanctions. There should be already 1 trillion dollar fund and agency at cabinet level to make US independent of Chinese manufacturing and technology. China is decoupling from US at full speed and strength 24/7 of 1,400,000,000 people. What IS the US answer ? Marcin, This is oilprice.com.... Trumps got it sorted. China is going down fast.... 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 15, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 3:30 PM, UNC12345 said: Why spread this crap? On 4/12/2020 at 4:04 PM, Hotone said: Please use your coming sense. Even if you have such deep hatred and rage against China, don't spread crap which you know it's untrue. The world is already in such deep mess, the last thing we need is war. Why are you Americans so violent and unbalanced? This video is simply what we have been documenting earlier in the outbreak. The entire thing is absolutely correct. The key research paper from Wuhan Department of Virology Biosafety Lab's Zhi Zhingli discusses precisely what the video says. We discussed it on these forums. All in fine detail. This video has very little we didn't know two months ago This is TRUTH. WHO is lies, an arm of the China ministry of propaganda. Chinese official statements are lies. The CCP is soliciting mass coverups by social media as well as its normal clients in the mainstream press. This is factual. What you get from the mainstream and official organizations is a well paid for narrative from the CCP. If you are disparaging of this video, other than its terrible soundtrack, you are aligning with the CCP. You are revealing yourself to be a Communist agent. 13 hours ago, Hypocrite said: The Epoch Times is not a credible source. They are the propaganda arm of religious fanatics repressed by CCP. They have an agenda that’s not truth driven it’s to drive their agenda. I have no illusions about the communist party of China that has concentration camps full of Muslims being brainwashed and forced to work as slaves. We know Bats are full of viruses 🦠 that don’t play well with humans. We also know that Chinese people eat everything and anything. I hope they just leave the Bats alone. Stop eating Bats. It’s the Bats 🦇 not a bio war attack. The biggest biohazard is The Biohazard in Chief ☣️ our very own Toxic Orange Stain who is out of his shallow depth unable to lead because all he can see is himself. Epoch Times is trying to start a shooting war for their own fanatical reasons. I don’t trust them or their lobbyists pretending to be journalists. You are obviously in here as a Chinese agent. The Epoch Times has held an anti CCP reporting stance for ages and has been a major source for those opposing communism. Your post is in extremely bad taste with a creepy humor in an extremely serious situation where the Communist Party of China has committed heinous crimes against the whole of humanity. Shame on you. 14 hours ago, Robert Thomas 2 said: Thanks T as always you're keeping me well informed. I'm just curious as to why the death rate might be so low in china compared to Europe. Because they didn't test people who didn't make it to the hospital. Appx 160K in Wuhan are dead beyond seasonal trend according to Cell phone account abandonments and just under 100K in excess operations of Wuhan crematoriums and urn deliveries. 2 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 April 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: Marcin, This is oilprice.com.... Trumps got it sorted. China is going down fast.... China is in for a serious period of retribution from the rest of the world. This is what happens when you unleash a pandemic, try to cover it up, and kill hundreds of thousands of people in other countries. It will be interesting to see China ramp up their industries....and then have no markets for their products. Furthermore, their will be a rush for other countries to move their supply chains and companies out of China. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Marcin2 said: This was seen many times, it is a typical hegemony conflict. The upside is that it will be civilized conflict with high probability cause we have nuclear weapons. The real „war” in technology and economic area started in May 2018 when ZTE was sanctioned. I am really unhappy that United States is not capable of any constructive counter action. China has doubled down on their biggest weakness that is R&D and nothing in this world will stop them until they reach complete self sufficiency. THEN and only then they will stop using US dollar and attack US with Chinese economic sanctions. We still have about 8 years. Please guys write about any US constructive action during the last 2 years to prepare for future Chinese sanctions. There should be already 1 trillion dollar fund and agency at cabinet level to make US independent of Chinese manufacturing and technology. China is decoupling from US at full speed and strength 24/7 of 1,400,000,000 people. What IS the US answer ? China is not going to develop anything. Within 3 years, it will likely have only a trickle of export orders remaining and will have nearly $3 Trillion of unpaid real estate debt in default. There will be roughly $20 Trillion of legal liabilities on China. Its global assets and those of CCP leaders will be seized and sold off. It has no future outside its borders. It has been long preparing to decide which of its bifurcating paths it can follow. Its attempt to open its financial markets crashed immediately. Thus their last effort has been to outlast Trump and try to find a better option for their path to buy time for it to be a regional power if not a hegemon somewhere other than international organizations and among the media and technology companies which will soon find the path to China closed to them even if they wanted to continue going there. The second alternative has always been the choice to turn into N. Korea. At this point it looks like that is where they are going. The US will reindustrialize and duplicate supply chains outside of China. Well before it is over with, China will have its financing and export business clipped. Its financial system is likely to be collapsing 3 years earlier than it had to. It could have lasted till 2025. They have removed themselves from any realm of trust. They are without possible partners. Your CCP bullet points from the ministry of propaganda need an update. China has 500 mil rural illiterates, a 600 mil middle income "trap" population, and the balance is a first world economy and society on par Europe or any other developed country. It is that population that matters. The rest of it does not. It is the same size as broader Europe or NAFTA (+Japan+Korea+UK+Australia that have formed a trading block). China is not in the position you are imagining it is. Japan has already started a subsidy program to extricate its company's supply chains out from China. Many will follow. China will move from having 30% excess capacity well within the decade, to having 40% excess capacity because of the loss of export markets due to acceleration of supply chain extraction out of the country. . 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 15, 2020 Just a note to add. Since you will undoubtedly dislike the population division I presented. I should point out that there is a 320 mil. migrant labor pool largely from rural areas that does the vast majority of production work. A large minority of it is in the middle income trap. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said: China is in for a serious period of retribution from the rest of the world. This is what happens when you unleash a pandemic, try to cover it up, and kill hundreds of thousands of people in other countries. It will be interesting to see China ramp up their industries....and then have no markets for their products. Furthermore, their will be a rush for other countries to move their supply chains and companies out of China. So the essense of this strategy rests on 5 billion people becoming hateful towards China and thus no longer buying their cheap, competitive necessities and thus significantly decreasing Chinese export prospects. A few points: - The strategy seems a little bit passive for me, basing the future of your country on a specific, future behaviour of people from third party states, - I do not understand why people should be hateful towards China for force majoure, out of their control. BUT since I have small children I am familiar with this line of deduction. Recently my youngest stumped on Lego brick ( she refused to clean her room after playing). It was all my fault cause I bought the toy in the first place. After a while she understood lack of logic of her line of thinking. If only Trump could... - But major the weakness is that Chinese R&D will go at full speed no matter if they would have ANY exports or not, it is for self sufficiency, national security reasons. - And last but not least, I do not know how I would need to hate China to get rid of using cheap Chinese necessities. While brushing my teeth I do not think that I am backing CCP, there are just no other choices but Chinese stuff. And this is where I would expect US tangible, constructive actions in matching Chinese self sufficiency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, 0R0 said: China is not going to develop anything. Within 3 years, it will likely have only a trickle of export orders remaining and will have nearly $3 Trillion of unpaid real estate debt in default. There will be roughly $20 Trillion of legal liabilities on China. Its global assets and those of CCP leaders will be seized and sold off. It has no future outside its borders. It has been long preparing to decide which of its bifurcating paths it can follow. Its attempt to open its financial markets crashed immediately. Thus their last effort has been to outlast Trump and try to find a better option for their path to buy time for it to be a regional power if not a hegemon somewhere other than international organizations and among the media and technology companies which will soon find the path to China closed to them even if they wanted to continue going there. The second alternative has always been the choice to turn into N. Korea. At this point it looks like that is where they are going. The US will reindustrialize and duplicate supply chains outside of China. Well before it is over with, China will have its financing and export business clipped. Its financial system is likely to be collapsing 3 years earlier than it had to. It could have lasted till 2025. They have removed themselves from any realm of trust. They are without possible partners. Your CCP bullet points from the ministry of propaganda need an update. China has 500 mil rural illiterates, a 600 mil middle income "trap" population, and the balance is a first world economy and society on par Europe or any other developed country. It is that population that matters. The rest of it does not. It is the same size as broader Europe or NAFTA (+Japan+Korea+UK+Australia that have formed a trading block). China is not in the position you are imagining it is. Japan has already started a subsidy program to extricate its company's supply chains out from China. Many will follow. China will move from having 30% excess capacity well within the decade, to having 40% excess capacity because of the loss of export markets due to acceleration of supply chain extraction out of the country. . China is not going to develop anything. Wow, so you added a few more points to Douglas briliant strategy, to MAKE IT BULLETPROOF. It rests future of your country on additionally ALL Chinese becoming instantly DUMB and suddenly not fit for any creative activities. They will also go into Middle income trap (a lot of their country is already high-tech, high income but when they would become instantly DUMB this will just cease to exist). The US will reindustrialize and duplicate supply chains outside of China. Good point, the problem is with WILL little detail. I am asking about IS. Edited April 15, 2020 by Marcin2 typo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANGRYLION + 2 AL April 15, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 9:04 PM, Hotone said: Please use your coming sense. Even if you have such deep hatred and rage against China, don't spread crap which you know it's untrue. The world is already in such deep mess, the last thing we need is war. Why are you Americans so violent and unbalanced? It's well researched but loses credibility towards the end. There is no doubt ...china must pay. This was an industrial accident that has affected the world. China could have stopped it. Could have been transparent. Could have WARNED US. They didnt. And they wont. They must pay ...and pay now. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites