Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, 0R0 said: I share your viewpoint as to why China would do its best to spread the virus out of the country and to everywhere else. I don't see so much of a motive to release it in the first place. On a totally unrelated note, searching for "What is Agenda 21" results in mostly 404s of websites that are now gone. Don't get surprised if you instead get re-directed to "approved information" sites. Funny that. If you weren't aware of Agenda 21 before, it has now become increasingly more difficult to research it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, Marcin2 said: Covid19 ? The epidemic would last in US at least till autumn, it is just observation , US is federalist so one After another hot spots of epidemic would appear in chaotic manner. Till beginning of May 2020 Texas will open up, and in June - July the would surpass New York in casualties and people from the other 40 States would go under more strict lockdown again. The epidemic is winding down. half the country is already without a single new case for a week. NYC Philadelphia Boston and Detroit will be in quarantine for several weeks longer. Look at the temperature charts I keep posting. The virus along with the regular flu is nearly extinct in most of the country. The propagation of the virus is super rapid. recurrences are easy to spot by temperature maps as elevated temps are 92% of known cases and start on average on the second day.. Prison outbreaks of CV19 have the entire prison and the staff infected in no time; smaller prisons have 100% infection rates, larger ones with separate buildings may end up with a section without cases, while other buildings have near complete infection. 40% of cases are entirely without symptoms, many of the symptomatics are having very mild symptoms. Oddly, one prison had the infection spread throughout the staff but only propagated to half as many prisoners, despite contagion risk being higher for the inmates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: On a totally unrelated note, searching for "What is Agenda 21" results in mostly 404s of websites that are now gone. Don't get surprised if you instead get re-directed to "approved information" sites. Funny that. If you weren't aware of Agenda 21 before, it has now become increasingly more difficult to research it. Any remaining sources I can peruse, and perhaps download? Edited April 19, 2020 by 0R0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 April 19, 2020 18 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said: But but but that submarine order will ensure national safety .... Just like the ones the Malaysians bought from France? I don’t think they’ve submerged since the sale! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, 0R0 said: Any remaining sources I can peruse, and perhaps download? Amazingly, every single one of the Agenda 21 websites I had bookmarked are now memory holed. Totally gone, zero record that they existed. Even when using Brave browser and DuckDuckGo search engine. Here is an example screencap from right now: which automatically redirects to Google with this: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said: Just like the ones the Malaysians bought from France? I don’t think they’ve submerged since the sale! Malaysia's very expensive submarines are now rebranded / repurposed as ontopmarines / upmarines. And upmarines are clearly better than submarines. Because of upmanship. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: On a totally unrelated note, searching for "What is Agenda 21" results in mostly 404s of websites that are now gone. Don't get surprised if you instead get re-directed to "approved information" sites. Funny that. If you weren't aware of Agenda 21 before, it has now become increasingly more difficult to research it. I mean the tie in. How the contagion would have been interwoven in getting there. The general idea I know. Save me the time when I am tired. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 19, 2020 Just now, 0R0 said: I mean the tie in. How the contagion would have been interwoven in getting there. The general idea I know. Save me the time when I am tired. trl;dr Agenda 21 wants severe global depopulation. 500 million people total global population is considered ideal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Tom Kirkman said: trl;dr Agenda 21 wants severe global depopulation. 500 million people total global population is considered ideal. Well, this virus, so far as we know it, would not come close to getting them there. After it, likely no other would either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 19, 2020 Just now, 0R0 said: Well, this virus, so far as we know it, would not come close to getting them there. After it, likely no other would either. Understood. I'm already keenly aware that my world view is pretty far removed from mainstream, general viewpoints. I just do my best to try to juggle my views with what the general population expects. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: Understood. I'm already keenly aware that my world view is pretty far removed from mainstream, general viewpoints. I just do my best to try to juggle my views with what the general population expects. The perpetual pressure of socialism - particularly through its key structure, the UN, is unrelenting. The old Malthusians, of course, have continued morphing and prescribing their deadly choice in not solving world scarcity issues at every turn. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 19, 2020 48 minutes ago, 0R0 said: The epidemic is winding down. half the country is already without a single new case for a week. According to Woldometer all 50 States plus Puerto Rico HAD new cases yesterday. 37 States over 100 new cases 9 States over 1,000 new cases Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, 0R0 said: Whole East Asia is back at work ( industry). Now think about anybody pursuing change of high tech supply chains out of China now. Must be mad, cause East Asia is the most economically stable place in the world now. Any new sanctions on Huawei or other Chinese companies ? That is obviously (1) Temporary, (2) the intent in having deliberately spread the virus. (3) further cause for retaliation, I think that is not going to hold. SE Asia is a competitor of China. I keep wondering why you lump them together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, 0R0 said: I share your viewpoint as to why China would do its best to spread the virus out of the country and to everywhere else. I don't see so much of a motive to release it in the first place. Remember that they could have tested it on inmates so they knew that they can stop it promptly at will with low own colateral damage. They also knew that It is election year in US and that US is federalist democracy with partisanship at its Peak. Edited April 19, 2020 by Marcin2 Typo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, 0R0 said: That is obviously (1) Temporary, (2) the intent in having deliberately spread the virus. (3) further cause for retaliation, I think that is not going to hold. SE Asia is a competitor of China. I keep wondering why you lump them together. Economically East Asia ( but also more and more SE Asia) is like European Union at the level of economic closeness (and ethnic Chinese never the less are ruling economy in half of the countries) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Marcin2 said: According to Woldometer all 50 States plus Puerto Rico HAD new cases yesterday. 37 States over 100 new cases 9 States over 1,000 new cases Yes, that is very regional. The state counts are nearly useless in this regard because all states have a city of some size in them. The CV19 cases are concentrated in those cities - I argue that the issue in the virus propagation is population density - and thus contact frequency. The main fact is that the counties with ~50% of the US GDP do not have new active cases this week. The temperature maps show that the bulk of the people showing up as new cases are stragglers that were infected some time back and have only come to test now, or were allowed to test with no symptoms to justify it because more test capacity is available. So more suspected exposures, imaginary or not are getting to be tested. The number of implied new infections from the temperature charts are at their level of resolution. Some are prison test programs as no real provisions were made for institutionalized people. So many are being tested. The results are essentially that if anyone within or on staff was infected, practically all the others would be as well. The contagiousness of this thing is incredible. I am surprised that anyone who rides a subway or crowded bus isn't already being tested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 19, 2020 53% of Taiwan exports is in East Asia (China Japan Hong Kong S Korea) 67% of Taiwan exports go to 10 largest East and South East Asian countries, 55% of South Korean exports goes to 10 largest East and South East Asian countries, 65% of exports is in Asia. They are all joined at the hip, and China is the largest trading partner of all of them. I was watching the trend: China built this relations during the last decade, they are closer each year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Marcin2 said: 53% of Taiwan exports is in East Asia (China Japan Hong Kong S Korea) 67% of Taiwan exports go to 10 largest East and South East Asian countries, 55% of South Korean exports goes to 10 largest East and South East Asian countries, 65% of exports is in Asia. They are all joined at the hip, and China is the largest trading partner of all of them. I was watching the trend: China built this relations during the last decade, they are closer each year. That is all true, that does not quite mean what you think it does. It also does not make China a substantial source or destination for any of them, though it is often the biggest single one. Much of what goes to China is a passthrough that is re-exported. NOT passing it through China would be an advantage to them. The escaped capital that found homes in these countries and is taking in materials from China is also looking for new locations to source the materials.and new customers outside China. It is precisely the Chinese diaspora that wants nothing to do with the mainland if business dries up. Most are escapees or descendants of Mao's refugees. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 April 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, Marcin2 said: Remember that they could have tested it on inmates so they knew that they can stop it promptly at will with low own colateral damage. They also knew that It is election year in US and that US is federalist democracy with partisanship at its Peak. Boy, do you make them out to be far more sinister than I would imagine - without evidence to suggest it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, 0R0 said: Boy, do you make them out to be far more sinister than I would imagine - without evidence to suggest it. There would never be any evidence to back this theory, if it ever existed it has been destroyed. The way I described it in separate thread it is perfect crime. There is : Means, motive and possibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Marcin2 said: There would never be any evidence to back this theory, if it ever existed it has been destroyed. The way I described it in separate thread it is perfect crime. There is : Means, motive and possibility. Marcin, you continue to surprise me today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 725 MK April 19, 2020 53 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: Marcin, you continue to surprise me today. In what way ? But be honest. 😀 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Marcin2 said: In what way ? But be honest. 😀 Your general views seem to be not far from my own general views. It always surprises me when others come to similar "offbeat" conclusions that I do. And it can be difficult for me to reconcile my own offbeat world views with how I need to interact with the world at large without sounding like a loon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 April 19, 2020 34 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: Your general views seem to be not far from my own general views. It always surprises me when others come to similar "offbeat" conclusions that I do. And it can be difficult for me to reconcile my own offbeat world views with how I need to interact with the world at large without sounding like a loon. You most definitely are a loon! 🤪 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Ron + 18 April 19, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 2:24 PM, Coffeeguyzz said: Mr. Smith I thank you for linking this video. For people uncomfortable with spending nearly an hour watching this, the ~10 minutes spent watching Part III - "The Discoveries of Dr. Shi Zhengli" (17:50 mark to 28:00) - indisputably reveal the laboratory-created nature of this virus. 21:30 - 22:00 describes the splicing of the SARS virus so as to enable cross species transmission ... aka to enable an immediate jump into humans. Interestingly (to me, anyway) is the depiction at the 25:50 mark of the "unique inserts" of the 4 new sequences from the HIV virus. The Indian researchers had described this (not mentioned in this video) as "not being fortuitous in nature" ... aka, this COVID crap is man made. The comment from Dr. Frank Boyle at 41:20 saying this is an " offensive biological warfare weapon" should resound within any open minded observer. In a - somewhat - unrelated vein, the fact that the just-released documentary "Out of Shadows" has just passed the 3 million view mark after 48 hours online, may indicate that an Awakening is starting to emerge worldwide. This (my last) comment directly addresses the final 10 minutes of the above video (Part V ..."Pandemic") ... as we all, every one of us, are presently engaged in a furious, oft times subtle war ... sadly - yet to great effect - not recognized by the wider public. Irrespective of whether the weapons range from bullets, bombs, viruses, false data, or other tactical means, the stakes are nothing short of complete submission to a system designed for total domination over the individual. Wakey wakey, folks. The molecular genetic data presented makes no sense. None of the sequence suggests any manipulation. All the genomes are accessible on-line. Humans contain sequences that are similar to those found in primates, mice, flies and yeast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites