Hot mic at White House Covid press briefing. "Everybody here's been vaccinated anyway."

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19 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Latest CDC COVID-19 Numbers Make the Doom-and-Gloom Cult Look Like Complete Idiots

The CDC recently released coronavirus numbers from February 1, 2020 to April 18, 2020.

With each day it is getting harder and harder for these so-called experts to defend their complete destruction of the American economy.

Since February there have been 17,229 COVID-19 deaths.
Another 7,676 died from COVID-19 and pneumonia.

During this same time period 49,013 Americans died from pneumonia.

And then there is the age gap.
There were 20 deaths under the age of 25.
That comes out to 0.1% of all coronavirus deaths.

There were 13,518 deaths over 65 years of age.

There is no way in hell this justifies the complete destruction of the US economy.

When this is all over the good doctors and garbage IHME researchers will have a lot of explaining to do!

More from Alex Berenson…

The most recent age-stratified US #COVID death data, per @CDCgov: 3 deaths under 15, 510 deaths under 45 (approximately 190,000,000 Americans are under 45), 4,900 over 85. https://t.co/CFI8jZkpM5 pic.twitter.com/yOMa9Gm1uI

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) April 21, 2020

 

Here are the numbers via the CDC website:

 

Thankfully, social distancing should help slow down flu/pneumonia transmission as well!

Of course, the real point of your post was whataboutism to downplay covid.

 

Edited April 21, 2020 by Enthalpic

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15 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Yes, he could bully the states.  Classy.

You guys sound like you are interpreters for trumps manipulation tactics and disregard for other democratically elected leaders. 

How about we take what he says as something remotely close to the direct truth on occasion...

I think it will turn out to be that he knew he had stumbled when he fell for the alarmist epidemiologist group and his guidelines were already over the top. The social distancing did not need to be severe at all. There should have been nothing other than limiting the density of people in congregation and public transport (which has not been done in places like NYC). The entire Nazi reaction from the Democrat governors and choice incompetent Republican dolts was over the top and showed that they have no respect for fact, the constitution, the interests of their people, but only moral signaling to the MSM media who live off of this fear mongering. 

Anyway, I see that Trump had decided to let this happen since it was too late to stop and used the opportunity to pump in enormous amounts of money at the FED, and pump up the working class and small business with money, and as soon as this happens, pull the lever to let the economy run, so he gets $6 Trillion of FED credit and $2+ Trillion of Fiscal stimulus to push out the door and then let the economy rip just ahead of elections. That for the cost of less than 2 months of partial lockdown. The big cities where Dems control things will have to watch out for resurgence of outbreaks. The rest of the country can go on without much concern so long as they are not crammed into public transport or hug it out in church..

In the process he gains support for American reindustrialization, in pharma, in medical devices and supplies, electronic components and assemblies, and much more. And he gets to pull away some future Chinese exports that will no longer be in demand. Because of the disaster of the Quarantine, for which nobody is faulting him, there are now 26 million desperately unemployed workers ready to go to work on a huge scale in this industrial rebuilding to undo the hollowing out of the US due to the dollar standard and its defense by the likes of Volcker. (Triffin's dilemma) That work is not going to be in the central cities but dispersed throughout the country's industrial areas. 

If he said what the truth was then he would have to start prosecuting Dems for attempting to overthrow the constitution. Particularly governors who still have some popularity in NY, CA etc.. That would bring out their supporters into the next election, and threaten potential Republican gains. It would also do permanent harm to his own party along with the Dems, and would force him to reveal the nexus of CIA domestic operations and mainstream media companies and their connection to both the Dems and many Republicans. Not something that wins the messenger anything other than a shot in the chest. 

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2 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Latest CDC COVID-19 Numbers Make the Doom-and-Gloom Cult Look Like Complete Idiots

The CDC recently released coronavirus numbers from February 1, 2020 to April 18, 2020.

Since February there have been 17,229 COVID-19 deaths.
Another 7,676 died from COVID-19 and pneumonia.

During this same time period 49,013 Americans died from pneumonia.

Here are the numbers via the CDC website:

 

Tom, the previous graph to this one is far more reliable, but this one should be used in conjunction with it.   It is disingenuous to start at Feb. 1.  Very disingenuous. 

 

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11 hours ago, SUZNV said:

Yes, they always want a normal big recession, more people are forced to depend on benefit then and would not vote for Trump and blame Trump for their suffering. But Trump's performance in this Covid19 is faster than Italy or France or Spain so their arguments are weak. But a Recession without all Trump's fault: because of Covid19, because Russia and Saudi oil war etc  they don't want the economy collapse just to claim they are right. I wonder how is the funding for election this year.

Trump’s performance on Covid was not faster than Italy, France or Spain. If the federal government had responded vigorously to the initial outbreaks we would have saved thousands of lives. Also, the CDC was not setup to develop a test nor carry out high throughput testing in the time required. Early on when that became apparent the US refused to use the test the WHO instead opting for a private sector option. As a result, the hardest hit states had to develop their own tests while they waited for private sector ramp up production of test kits. 

[Ernst Reim + 33]

Why exactly is the conversation of two media guys taken as source of medical advice ?

1. The current mortality rate is a complete unknown. There is definitely an underestimation of infected cases. I would personally be surprised if it is a factor of 50, but... who knows. But we are also likely to underestimate the number of deaths. Italy, France and the UK all report higher mortality numbers than expected for this time of the year which exceed the number of COVID-19 assigned deaths.

2. One case which we know very well is the Diamond Princess cruise ship, since the population was isolated and a lot of them were tested. If we count only confirmed cases, the mortality is 2-3%. If we assume that **everybody** on board was infected, it is still around 0.8-1%. Most passengers were of course above 60.

3. " Latest CDC COVID-19 Numbers Make the Doom-and-Gloom Cult Look Like Complete Idiots " When you look at epidemics,you draw your conclusions from the most affected areas. Not from averages which include hickstown with 0 infected. Here is the link to the complete report : https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm Take a look at numbers for NY city: COVID-19 : 6800, COVID-19+pneumonia : 2500, all causes : 24 000, flu : 700. Pneumonia : 4000. In words: of 24 000 people who died in NY city, 7300 died of COVID-19 and 700 of the flu.

4. Vaccination? Ignore this, that's just some lame joke. The only way "everybody could be vaccinated" would be if:

COVID-19 and its vaccine was developed by the US in an attempt to attack China. Trump's government vaccinated him, his staff and **all the media** attending his briefings. They then choose to grill him about what he said two weeks ago about the reopening of bowling lanes instead of, just an idea, withholding the vaccine from the US people.

Alternatively: While keeping it secret from the government the leftish media beat all US agencies, Europe and China in developing a vaccine.

Or why not go all out : The democrats/deep state/alien overlords/"your choice here" developed secretly the virus and its vaccine to ruin Trump's reelection. They killed around 200 000 people world-wide. Then they gave the vaccine to a bunch of media guys.

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4 hours ago, 0R0 said:

I think it will turn out to be that he knew he had stumbled when he fell for the alarmist epidemiologist group and his guidelines were already over the top. The social distancing did not need to be severe at all. There should have been nothing other than limiting the density of people in congregation and public transport (which has not been done in places like NYC). The entire Nazi reaction from the Democrat governors and choice incompetent Republican dolts was over the top and showed that they have no respect for fact, the constitution, the interests of their people, but only moral signaling to the MSM media who live off of this fear mongering. 

Anyway, I see that Trump had decided to let this happen since it was too late to stop and used the opportunity to pump in enormous amounts of money at the FED, and pump up the working class and small business with money, and as soon as this happens, pull the lever to let the economy run, so he gets $6 Trillion of FED credit and $2+ Trillion of Fiscal stimulus to push out the door and then let the economy rip just ahead of elections. That for the cost of less than 2 months of partial lockdown. The big cities where Dems control things will have to watch out for resurgence of outbreaks. The rest of the country can go on without much concern so long as they are not crammed into public transport or hug it out in church..

In the process he gains support for American reindustrialization, in pharma, in medical devices and supplies, electronic components and assemblies, and much more. And he gets to pull away some future Chinese exports that will no longer be in demand. Because of the disaster of the Quarantine, for which nobody is faulting him, there are now 26 million desperately unemployed workers ready to go to work on a huge scale in this industrial rebuilding to undo the hollowing out of the US due to the dollar standard and its defense by the likes of Volcker. (Triffin's dilemma) That work is not going to be in the central cities but dispersed throughout the country's industrial areas. 

If he said what the truth was then he would have to start prosecuting Dems for attempting to overthrow the constitution. Particularly governors who still have some popularity in NY, CA etc.. That would bring out their supporters into the next election, and threaten potential Republican gains. It would also do permanent harm to his own party along with the Dems, and would force him to reveal the nexus of CIA domestic operations and mainstream media companies and their connection to both the Dems and many Republicans. Not something that wins the messenger anything other than a shot in the chest. 

So to summarize your points in bold:

- In your opinion he knew he messed up the covid response

- Allowed to economy to fail

- Is using the failing economy to get himself a war chest of money (from debt and taxes) before the next election

- Uses that money to buy votes

- You admit he lies to the public, but that's okay because the public are too stupid to understand and the truth would only increase support for the opposition.  

 

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Enthalpic

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34 minutes ago, Ron Ron said:

Trump’s performance on Covid was not faster than Italy, France or Spain. If the federal government had responded vigorously to the initial outbreaks we would have saved thousands of lives. Also, the CDC was not setup to develop a test nor carry out high throughput testing in the time required. Early on when that became apparent the US refused to use the test the WHO instead opting for a private sector option. As a result, the hardest hit states had to develop their own tests while they waited for private sector ramp up production of test kits. 

How did you know who needed to be test back then when they were in US already? That person had to show symptom first. And why did EU have to buy fast test kits from China and it turned out low quality if WHO just gave them the test kits. WHO came to China too late as well where their test kits came from?

If US wanted to develop test kit, then US scientists would need early access to Wuhan for getting samples and need a infected population for developing the tests. There were 5 millions Chinese left Wu Han before it was shut down, how did anyone even have test kit to keep track of it?  Fast test kit was not available yet. The reaction time when Wuhan shutdown was too late for at least 2 weeks already, if not months. Even a person was quarantined for 14 days right after Wuhan 's locked down, there was not enough test for him if he showed no symptom yet he could spread the disease right after released. Covid19 may not show any symptom on a person at all.

Finally it is Governor to decide to shut down his State or not. A US state has a size and population of a country and run by it owns Governor, who was voted by the state's residents . That is how US political system works. Otherwise Trump can just kick NY Governor out of his position. It is not central control like China. All Trump can do is lock access from China or Europe. Which he did.  Don't apply the knowledge of other countries on US political system. Unlike Xi, Trump cannot fire Governors so no way any Governor needs to worry about hurting Trump's feelings.  

And Trump did shutdown flights from China before any EU member did. Even WHO and China were angry for it. You don't need to remind me the timelines of Covid19 or the news. I was following it before Wuhan was shutdown. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by SUZNV

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10 hours ago, ronwagn said:

The elderly have been the primary population to self quarantine, not just the rich. There are a lot more elderly than rich. A lot more people will die, mostly aged and/or with comorbidities. Deaths will not fall off a cliff but follow the rounded curve. 

If they extend the lockdown here, I may WANT to fall off a cliff!

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8 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

How do you know who to test and who don't.  And why did EU have to buy fast test kits from China and it turned out low quality?

If US wanted to develop test kit, then US scientists would need early access to Wuhan for getting samples. There were 5 millions Chinese left Wu Han before it was shut down, how did anyone even have test kit to keep track of it?  Fast test kit was not available yet. The reaction time when Wuhan shutdown was too late for at least 2 weeks already, if not months. Even a person was quarantined for 14 days right after Wuhan 's locked down, there was not enough test for him if he showed no symptom yet he could spread the disease right after released. 

Finally it is Governor to decide to shut down his State or not. A US state has a size and population of a country and run by it owns Governor, who was voted by the state's residents . That is how US political system works. Otherwise Trump can just kick NY Governor out of his position. It is not central control like China. All Trump can do is lock access from China or Europe. Which he did.  Don't apply the knowledge of other countries on US political system. Unlike Xi, Trump cannot fire Governors so no way any Governors need to worry about hurting Trump's feelings.  

And Trump did shutdown flights from China before any EU member did. Even WHO and China were angry for it. You don't need to remind me the timelines of Covid19 or the news. I was following it before Wuhan was shutdown. 

Perhaps because those countries acknowledged they didn't have enough tests? 

The genome was openly published very quickly.

 

Meanwhile trump was busy spewing garbage:

"Anyone who wants test gets a test." 

That was a lie.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Enthalpic

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4 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

So to summarize your points in bold:

- In your opinion he knew he messed up the covid response

- Allowed to economy to fail

- Is using the failing economy to get himself a war chest of money (from debt and taxes) before the next election

- Uses that money to buy votes

- You admit he lies to the public, but that's okay because the public are too stupid to understand and the truth would only increase support for the opposition.  

 

 

1, He messed up in that he thought he was getting tests to use and there were no cases. Media were talking about it being just a flu. He was wrong not to pull down the CDC and force them and the FDA to allow private and hospital test development. But he was apparently unaware at first at what they were doing. So they had not worked out a reasoned action plan for the right level of quarantine 

2. When the first tests showed community transmission, and epidemiologists were predicting outcomes worse than Italy. Then at these expert's urging he worked out guidelines for the states following the Chinese quarantine model loosely - i.e. economic shutdown for no purpose whatsoever. Some states had already shut down before he started, like WA and CA. Others waited for the national guidelines because they wanted cover for what they were doing. In all cases deliberately destroying economic activity without any regard to a benefit.

His mistakes were relying on CDC to do what they said and then taking the alarmist side when he learned the CDC lied. Since governors were going to shut down anyway, he could have given lighter common sense social distancing guidelines. But instead he put out guidelines that allowed governors to take the deranged epidemiologists total shutdown path. He fell into both traps, the "its only a flu" (which it pretty much is, just much more contagious) and the total quarantine panic. 

I fault him for both. I fault the "experts" and the governors an order of magnitude more. I fault China, WHO, Dr. Fauci, CDC, FDA as co-conspirators to create chaos and prevent testing and then create panic 100 times more than I blame Trump.

I do not blame him for not listening to the CIA panic mongering, nor the "experts" who wanted drastic shutdowns. He should really  have shoved them down the White House steps. But he should have known that the government "pros" were like others of their kind, and were out to sabotage him, so should have sent his people into the organizations to see what they were actually doing. He, the person most aware of the swamp, fell victim to naivete that they were pros doing their jobs, rather than bureaucratic hacks trying to trip him up.

The rest of it yes. But an order of magnitude LESS so than his opposition Democrats. 

He is not my perfect candidate, or my candidate at all, but he is far better than the alternatives.

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Just now, Enthalpic said:

Perhaps because those countries acknowledged they didn't have enough tests?

Meanwhile trump is spewing garbage:

"Anyone who wants test gets a test." 

That was a lie.

 

With that lie, only a fool who doesn't know how a test developed believe in. You need first: early access to infected population to take samples and then for developing the tests and try it on infected population. And then prepare all the supplies and start the mass productions. Then will be the delivery with priority.

And this particular virus was well protected by not letting US scientists come to Wuhan and WHO came there to late, and I doubt they did anything in China as they simply repeated what China said. If you want to see who lie: First Xi, then WHO, lied about how the virus spread or the use of the masks and bought time for the virus to spread, then every other president or prime minister and their subordinates, including the governors lied. The mainstreams were not any better. You cannot use what  info you have now to blame something in the past. I can say if all Countries issued masks to their citizens, even not the N95 and forced their citizens to use it,  then there would have been less people died, lock down or not. Masks are the front line of defense that slow down any virus spreading  by air.

If you blame the late lock down in any state and people died, so it is the governor's responsibility. If you blame the state economy shutdown causing unemployment, then again it is the governor's responsibility. 

All politicians lie, and the mainstream are always half true and didn't say anything useful but spreading fear and criticize afterward. Why there were only news about a normal mask was not recommended, repeat what the WHO said? Isn't the usefulness of a mask is a common knowledge. 

We have no choice for the candidates's quality. US voting system is always about choosing the lesser of the two evils. There is no politician on the world who said  "I am responsible" and resigned yet, nor the mainstream. And Trump will get all the critics no matter what he does,  why should he say sorry? Action will speak louder than words.

Lesson for the next disease spreading by air, get used to wearing a mask.  Don't show discrimination against anyone with a mask. He may want to protect you.

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8 hours ago, 0R0 said:

So he is going to call the Democrat's and MSM and other Malthusian hangers on's bluff and cut off the quarantine.

There will be a great reckoning for the hysterical reaction by Dem governors in particular and for the maladvice given to the administration. I think the Ahithophels advising the administration on the shut down will be called out and hounded out of their positions. The WHO funding ban is just the start. 

But the OP on this thread and this are "of a kind" and portend 

1. an end of the quarantine earlier rather than later

2. that the end of it will be complete within a few months at the latest

3. that it will not be reimposed when there is a next breakout. And there will be one. 

 

I don't understand the rationale for a large breakout of covid 19. All viruses reoccur to some extent. The flu is continuously changing and so are the vaccines to combat it. The work well but only on some strains. The same will be true for the variations of coronavirus. 

Apparently, there is a good chance that covid 19 is no more lethal than the ordinary flu strains and we have vaccines for them. I had two flu shots this year. I am at high risk due to my age and other factors. Still, only a small percentage of the aged actually die from covid 19. The total years of expected life lost from covid 19 seems to be far less than that of the ordinary flu. We need to use all reasonable precautions while praying for the best results. 

 

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8 hours ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Yes, there will, and it will likely be a higher body count than this one, but you're right, we must not flinch with the second wave. The country needs to be opened up NOW. 

Please explain why you think there will be a higher body count with a second wave. 

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8 hours ago, 0R0 said:

That may be true, but not enough. This is a SARS virus, hardly anyone has exposure. Kids have high exposure rates due to intense physical proximity - hence it is kids who are "snot nosed". So they and their parents teachers and caretakers get exposed constantly. But if it were enough then in closed environments like prisons the penetration would be in the 40% range, but it isn't. It is in the 100% range within 2-3 weeks in each building, and both prisoners and staff. Thus it has to be a newly acquired resistance. And the kids do get it.

The cruiser Theodore Roosevelt is a closed environment living in close quarters. Of 4,800 crewmen tested, only 600 tested positive and 240 got sick. I'm not sure we know what the penetrance is with this virus, or very many other things about it. This is a very long but simple single-stranded RNA virus with way too many quirks. 

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58 minutes ago, Ernst Reim said:

3. " Latest CDC COVID-19 Numbers Make the Doom-and-Gloom Cult Look Like Complete Idiots " When you look at epidemics,you draw your conclusions from the most affected areas. Not from averages which include hickstown with 0 infected. Here is the link to the complete report : https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm Take a look at numbers for NY city: COVID-19 : 6800, COVID-19+pneumonia : 2500, all causes : 24 000, flu : 700. Pneumonia : 4000. In words: of 24 000 people who died in NY city, 7300 died of COVID-19 and 700 of the flu.

 

4700 seasonal flu and pneumonia. 6800 CV19. But you don't look at the period you look at a season. The flu and pneumonia season extends before CV19 started. The CV19 is highly contagious and people have no residual resistance to it. So you get a whole season's worth of flu and pneumonia within that compressed time. Very much so for NYC where subway commuters got it extremely fast. In an open bay prison population, the propagation was from 1 to 1200 (including staff) within less than 3 weeks. I believe most New Yorkers have had the virus, and at least 30%. So the comparison basis would be the entire flu and pneumonia season to the CV19's foreshortened season.. 

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5 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

The cruiser Theodore Roosevelt is a closed environment living in close quarters. Of 4,800 crewmen tested, only 600 tested positive and 240 got sick. I'm not sure we know what the penetrance is with this virus, or very many other things about it. This is a very long but simple single-stranded RNA virus with way too many quirks. 

The ship is compartmentalized. So you need to look within communal groupings. The test for live virus will not tell you how many had been exposed. The antibody test will tell you soon enough. Too bad the Chinese made ones are so terrible  

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I have yet another question...🤔

In hard hit areas, are the causes of death NOT attributed to the virus going up, down or remaining ‘as usual’?

If the other common causes of death (flu, pneumonia, stress, heart sttack, etc...) are suddenly and inexplicitly decreasing, it would indicate that these cases are being lumped in with the virus statistics.

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15 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

4700 seasonal flu and pneumonia. 6800 CV19. But you don't look at the period you look at a season. The flu and pneumonia season extends before CV19 started. The CV19 is highly contagious and people have no residual resistance to it. So you get a whole season's worth of flu and pneumonia within that compressed time. Very much so for NYC where subway commuters got it extremely fast. In an open bay prison population, the propagation was from 1 to 1200 (including staff) within less than 3 weeks. I believe most New Yorkers have had the virus, and at least 30%. So the comparison basis would be the entire flu and pneumonia season to the CV19's foreshortened season.. 

How do we really know when Covid 19 started.? I am hearing that Californians may have been exposed to it for many months. That is one theory why they are doing so well now. 

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7 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

I have yet another question...🤔

In hard hit areas, are the causes of death NOT attributed to the virus going up, down or remaining ‘as usual’?

If the other common causes of death (flu, pneumonia, stress, heart sttack, etc...) are suddenly and inexplicitly decreasing, it would indicate that these cases are being lumped in with the virus statistics.

Our authorities are asking that all the deaths including Covid 19 be listed as due to Covid 19. At least that is an allegation that is widespread. 

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15 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I don't understand the rationale for a large breakout of covid 19. All viruses reoccur to some extent. The flu is continuously changing and so are the vaccines to combat it. The work well but only on some strains. The same will be true for the variations of coronavirus. 

 

Because of the lack of exposure precedent of this virus, hardly anyone got exposed to SARS. The difference with cold coronavirus are significant. So everybody gets it, vs. 20-30% for flu. 

Looking at prison populations, open bay prisons get it instantaneously - from 1 staff to 1200 staff and prisoners = 100% of the population. within 3 weeks and possibly less. 

In big cities, the infection prevalence is likely to turn out to be very high where people commute in crowded public transport, and use many shared public surfaces. NYC and metro will probably be in the 80% range. Philly and Boston and Detroit are likely 70%. So will not have a large recurrence. 

Newsom's early shutdown of CA produced an early cutoff of a slow moving breakout. Central cities and commuter communities via bus and tram in San Fran, LA and San Diego look to be in the 15-25% prevalence, as do Chicago, Pittsburgh, Some TX cities, and Ohio cities, as well as Denver and somewhat less (5-15%) in smaller midwestern and Southern cities. So all will have a chance at a substantial recurrence. 

The spread out rest of the country is at far lesser levels of infection prevalence and will have the same kind of slow recurrence as the initial wave had been for them, with a slow rate of infection outside of hotspots like dense congregation events. 

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6 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

How do we really know when Covid 19 started.? I am hearing that Californians may have been exposed to it for many months. That is one theory why they are doing so well now. 

The original travelers from Wuhan and then China were tracked for several weeks for signs of the disease. It did happen, but rather slowly. When tests became available they were among the first symptomatics tested. 

The disease seems to spread rapidly through particular "superspreaders" who may infect 30-50 people a day, and through "regular" spreaders infecting one or two people a day and perhaps even an order of magnitude fewer than that. So until you get enough superspreaders infected you don't really get a breakout. It could have been that CA had a long term slow propagation of the virus to infect a large portion of the population, but that is not something you see clearly in the Temp charts. You can see a surge in mid Feb that subsided to normal pattern later and then a rise going into the Mar 11 shutdown of CA. So it may be true, because CA is a low density state and LA is largely a low density city, where people travel by car more so than by bus. As opposed to NYC where most people are on crowded public transport.  

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2 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Because of the lack of exposure precedent of this virus, hardly anyone got exposed to SARS. The difference with cold coronavirus are significant. So everybody gets it, vs. 20-30% for flu. 

Looking at prison populations, open bay prisons get it instantaneously - from 1 staff to 1200 staff and prisoners = 100% of the population. within 3 weeks and possibly less. 

In big cities, the infection prevalence is likely to turn out to be very high where people commute in crowded public transport, and use many shared public surfaces. NYC and metro will probably be in the 80% range. Philly and Boston and Detroit are likely 70%. So will not have a large recurrence. 

Newsom's early shutdown of CA produced an early cutoff of a slow moving breakout. Central cities and commuter communities via bus and tram in San Fran, LA and San Diego look to be in the 15-25% prevalence, as do Chicago, Pittsburgh, Some TX cities, and Ohio cities, as well as Denver and somewhat less (5-15%) in smaller midwestern and Southern cities. So all will have a chance at a substantial recurrence. 

The spread out rest of the country is at far lesser levels of infection prevalence and will have the same kind of slow recurrence as the initial wave had been for them, with a slow rate of infection outside of hotspots like dense congregation events. 

That does not seem to correlate with the herd immunity theory or what happened with SARS, the Swine Flu, or the Hong Kong Flu etc. My gut tells me we are being had by the globalists. I will take all precautions but we will see. Apparently we have been grossly lied to so far about the percentage of deaths to expect. I said 0.5 of those who contracted the virus. Apparently it will be far far less than the experts predicted. 

My Covid 19 stories https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MXY8T0j7k0oUBsHW4BfjJM__DRIyzqrDf_FSlV4hHpw/edit

 

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28 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

I have yet another question...🤔

In hard hit areas, are the causes of death NOT attributed to the virus going up, down or remaining ‘as usual’?

If the other common causes of death (flu, pneumonia, stress, heart sttack, etc...) are suddenly and inexplicitly decreasing, it would indicate that these cases are being lumped in with the virus statistics.

All causes of death are going down in quarantine areas. Quarantine also limits the spread of pneumonias and flus. Fewer traffic accidents etc..

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37 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

That does not seem to correlate with the herd immunity theory or what happened with SARS, the Swine Flu, or the Hong Kong Flu etc. My gut tells me we are being had by the globalists. I will take all precautions but we will see. Apparently we have been grossly lied to so far about the percentage of deaths to expect. I said 0.5 of those who contracted the virus. Apparently it will be far far less than the experts predicted. 

 

Because of the extreme contagion and low intensity of the disease, only a tiny portion of the infected get symptoms and get tested.  it appears that the likely death rate is as low as that of the Flu=0.02% and may be as high as 0.1% in the worst of the likely scenarios. It is an order of magnitude less deadly than we were led to believe from China statistics, which we all knew were bogus from the get go. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by 0R0

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33 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

That does not seem to correlate with the herd immunity theory or what happened with SARS, the Swine Flu, or the Hong Kong Flu etc. My gut tells me we are being had by the globalists. I will take all precautions but we will see. Apparently we have been grossly lied to so far about the percentage of deaths to expect. I said 0.5 of those who contracted the virus. Apparently it will be far far less than the experts predicted. 

My Covid 19 stories https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MXY8T0j7k0oUBsHW4BfjJM__DRIyzqrDf_FSlV4hHpw/edit

 

Of course we are being had by the globalists. The Malthusian cabal and one world government people are precisely there at the WHO and in the first circle of advisers to the administration, and the ones who chose the "experts" to bring forward. That does not make the virus any less contagious. It does not make it deadlier or less so than it actually is.