The Blind Leading the Blind

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Just now, Rob Plant said:

 

Hoo boy, any flack you get from the ladies for this is on your head.  I'm stayin out of this one.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

2 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Hoo boy, any flack you get from the ladies for this is on your head.  I'm stayin out of this one.

yeah might have overstepped a bit there!

[Wombat + 1,028]

49 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Please read this thread below.  Direct link to article here.

Also watch the 2 videos that El Nikko posted in the thread.

 

It would be nice if any of that were true. Covid much worse than he states, but I think it "safer" to let 2m citizens die than shut down economy for indefinite period and have all the divorce, suicide etc. Especially when you consider that a top epidemiologist has mentioned that the second wave in Winter going to be worse than the first. There ain't no stoppin it, so better off gettin some herd immunity? So long as there is enough ventilators now to minimise the death toll, it should be allowed to run its course.

[Valerie Williams + 129]

On 4/26/2020 at 3:37 PM, D Coyne said:

Valerie,

If one watched and was paying attention he said:

A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please.

From

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23

 

D Coyne, that video was from April 6th, and had nothing to do with this latest controversy. It's just funny, and points out that the media is also stupid.

We're all stupid. Everybody is stupid. Five minutes on the internet proves it.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Valerie Williams

[Valerie Williams + 129]

12 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

yeah might have overstepped a bit there!

No, don't worry. I don't judge. I understand, I mean, if you can't find somebody, then inflatables are better than nothing, I suppose. What I'm trying to say is, it's okay. You don't need to be embarrassed.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Valerie Williams
Added the burn

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10 hours ago, Wombat said:

It would be nice if any of that were true. Covid much worse than he states, but I think it "safer" to let 2m citizens die than shut down economy for indefinite period and have all the divorce, suicide etc. Especially when you consider that a top epidemiologist has mentioned that the second wave in Winter going to be worse than the first. There ain't no stoppin it, so better off gettin some herd immunity? So long as there is enough ventilators now to minimise the death toll, it should be allowed to run its course.

But that was never the purpose of the lockdown. It was intended to create global economic shock and they would have used the common cold for a reason if they could have. The intention was to force all into bankruptcy so that the IMF can step in and bail them all out with SDR loans and create a global government with a global currency. I think that was what the Dems and media wanted to do immediately, before Trump takes down the entire global institutional system and makes the global socialist dream impossible. 

[Zardoz + 5]

What is disappointing to me is exactly how fkd we are tryimg to do what I thought would be basics..guess I watched to many movies

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You want to watch something good..watch gtx ov abbott on re-opening ..my god I don't like him but where has people like this been hiding out.. a plan in detail..

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

9 hours ago, Valerie Williams said:

No, don't worry. I don't judge. I understand, I mean, if you can't find somebody, then inflatables are better than nothing, I suppose. What I'm trying to say is, it's okay. You don't need to be embarrassed.

 

 

I deserved that one!

Nice come back Valerie!!

[Valerie Williams + 129]

4 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

I deserved that one!

Nice come back Valerie!!

Deserved? Nah. Just havin' fun.

 

[Valerie Williams + 129]

23 hours ago, Wombat said:

It would be nice if any of that were true. Covid much worse than he states, but I think it "safer" to let 2m citizens die than shut down economy for indefinite period and have all the divorce, suicide etc. Especially when you consider that a top epidemiologist has mentioned that the second wave in Winter going to be worse than the first. There ain't no stoppin it, so better off gettin some herd immunity? So long as there is enough ventilators now to minimise the death toll, it should be allowed to run its course.

I don't think the ventilators are minimizing the death toll. Last info I read, if you go on the ventilator, your chances are not good. You're already past saving, and the ventilators are maybe only buying a bit more time. And so far, that extra time has not been enough.

[Valerie Williams + 129]

I'm going to refer to my favorite video series again on tie COVID-19 subject, because the info in this latest is pretty game-changing. There is credible evidence (not speculation or rumor, but actual evidence from credible sources) that this virus is man-made. To be careful, that DOES NOT mean it's a bioweapon or that it was released with malintent. It could have been a research project that got out accidentally. Also, if it was used as a bioweapon, China is not necessarily to blame, someone else could have released this near the wet market to make it look like it came from the Wuhan lab. Just want to be careful not to jump to conclusions we don't have evidence for - yet.

 

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

On 4/26/2020 at 5:25 PM, D Coyne said:

One can try to claim he did't say what he said, but this is a fact that cannot be denied.

Not for the cheerleading crowd... 

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5 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Not for the cheerleading crowd... 

Yes I suppose one can make up their own facts and facts can be called fake news, some people believe that stuff. 

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49 minutes ago, Valerie Williams said:

I'm going to refer to my favorite video series again on tie COVID-19 subject, because the info in this latest is pretty game-changing. There is credible evidence (not speculation or rumor, but actual evidence from credible sources) that this virus is man-made. To be careful, that DOES NOT mean it's a bioweapon or that it was released with malintent. It could have been a research project that got out accidentally. Also, if it was used as a bioweapon, China is not necessarily to blame, someone else could have released this near the wet market to make it look like it came from the Wuhan lab. Just want to be careful not to jump to conclusions we don't have evidence for - yet.

 

Valerie,

Sorry, if its not in a reputable science jounal, not buying.  I am not going to bother with a video, but I would look at a citation from something worth spending my time on.

Try link below for something with a little believability

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

or original article in Nature Medicine at link below

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

From the conclusion of the article linked above:

The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.

Italics added by me for emphasis, no italics in original article.

Edited April 28, 2020 by D Coyne

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

I refer again to my comment that there are so many opinions, facts, beliefs ot there that the normal, run of the mill Joe just says, ‘Screw it. Nobody has a clue what is actually going on with this virus, let’s just go back to work...’

Can you blame him?

[Dg56 + 16]

3 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Let’s just go back to work...’

Hi Douglas,  No problem with what that. 

Now, put your feet where your mouth is. Go to the nearest hot spot, make sure you catch the virus, and immunise yourself (and your family in the meantime). 

Let me know how you are going.

And good luck. 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

15 minutes ago, Dg56 said:

Hi Douglas,  No problem with what that. 

Now, put your feet where your mouth is. Go to the nearest hot spot, make sure you catch the virus, and immunise yourself (and your family in the meantime). 

Let me know how you are going.

And good luck. 

@Dg56 You appear to be missing the point:  Apparently, every square inch of the world IS a hotspot!  Or else why are every human being on Earth supposed to quarantine?  We are saying:  Okay, we did your lockdown and don't fault you for calling it.  Now it's time to analyse the data and come up with some sane plans for returning those of us who are either not in a "hotspot" or not in an "at-risk" category of human being, or both, back to work.  Barring that, we are going to go.  We need to survive and provide for our families if we have any hope of having a future on this planet.

[Dg56 + 16]

Hi Dan, Thanks for your input (I have read it carefully). My ealier point still valid.

Attention please.

"To all keyboard warriors around, please make sure you catch the virus, survive, and get immunised before you go on line ."

HI Dan, Douglas, let us know how you are doing. And good luck with testing!

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

11 hours ago, Dg56 said:

Hi Douglas,  No problem with what that. 

Now, put your feet where your mouth is. Go to the nearest hot spot, make sure you catch the virus, and immunise yourself (and your family in the meantime). 

Let me know how you are going.

And good luck. 

Already did all that....doing fine. Thanks for asking though.

Oh yea, still have my job, my house, my car, and still drawing a paycheck.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

17 hours ago, Dg56 said:

Hi Douglas,  No problem with what that. 

Now, put your feet where your mouth is. Go to the nearest hot spot, make sure you catch the virus, and immunise yourself (and your family in the meantime). 

Let me know how you are going.

And good luck. 

Ok Dg, I''ll be over Saturday so you can see for yourself.   😘🤧

[Wombat + 1,028]

23 hours ago, Valerie Williams said:

I don't think the ventilators are minimizing the death toll. Last info I read, if you go on the ventilator, your chances are not good. You're already past saving, and the ventilators are maybe only buying a bit more time. And so far, that extra time has not been enough.

No, ventilators save about 80% of badly affected patients. Also, smoking cigarettes reduces your chance of being infected by 80%!

[Valerie Williams + 129]

I already posted a video making fun of the press, so now it's Trump's turn. Here's one making fun of the "cleansing". Enjoy.

 

 

[stanley hoffman 0]

I see a lot more than just this happening and it all comes together as to what is happening in the spiritual realm being made manifest in the physical realm.  We just had the Passover celebrated by Jews and Christians alike, but this Passover was different in that government told the people to stay indoors.  In the book of Samuel, the Hebrews were demanding a king like all the other nations had.  God told Samuel to tell the people what a king will do if He allows them one.  They didn't care and demanded a king.  That passage clearly outlines the basic rights that a government will take away and the basic problems it will cause to the people.  History proves that governments throughout all of time have been tyrannous.  So government is a symbol of mans evil.  The mark of man is 6 for he was created on the 6th day.  Its common knowledge that the NWO, a one world government has been in the making for decades.  Anyone who says it isn't is choosing to be willfully ignorant of that truth.  Its also well known that the pope began speaking of a one world church during Obama's time.  He started by declaring Christianity and islam are the same.  That was mocked as Chrislam.  Actually Christianity is not the same, but Catholicism is pagan the same as islam,  They are a religion and religion is man's way to god of which there is none.  God provided the way through Christ Jesus.  Yet man is so rebellious he comes up with religion that is the form of godliness, but the denial of the power thereof.  Several months ago I read an article about an all faiths project going on in the UAE I believe it was.  Its in one of the small nations on the S Arabian peninsula.  It has three buildings of religios worship being built on the same site.  A catholic church, Jewish temple, and an Islamic mosque side by side to symbolize that supposedly we all worship the same god and need to come together as one.  Ummmm  what????  That's what Nimrod did in the ancient days when he was building the tower that would reach to heaven so he could be like or above God.  That is satan's sin that got him thrown out of heaven, he wanted to be like or above God.  Last week 11 religions came together in Israel to pray together for god to end the COVID19 crisis.  Catholic priests, islamic imams, and even a misguided Jewish Rabbi were involved in it and they stated how we all worship the same god and must unite as one to bring peace to the world.  LOL, sounds great, but its once again man's rebellion against God, refusing to repent and seek Him in truth and in spirit.  Its a furthering of the one world church of which the one world leader shall need when he rises to power.  All governments acting as the savior of the people to save them from the angle of death in the form of COVID19 is a step closer to a one world government.  I'm not going to say its going to take place because of the financial crisis created by the pandemic, but it is definitely setting the stage for its rise.  People are being conditioned to let the government take control in order to solve their problems.  You put all of these events together and we see the prophesies of the end times in the making.  No man knows the day and hour, but the signs have never been clearer than they are today for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

[KevinG 0]

Hi Douglas

Yes it is true that there has been a multitude of mixed messaging about COVID to the insane (injecting disinfectant or a blast of ultra violet light could be a cure - plain idiocy).

There are one important fact that cannot be denied - the death rate - it varies from almost zero to about 10%. Worldwide 3.2m identifiable cases there have been about 228,000 deaths or 7%. Australia has report a death rate of about 1.3%.

Why the huge difference - Australia was first to close their National border and each of the Australia states closed their borders to other States in our nation. Some States like West Australia (a very large State) divided the State into regions and people were not allowed to cross from one region to another. Plus across ALL Australian jurisdictions  non-essential travel  and gatherings were banned, if you were caught outside for non-essential reasons the police have the power to fine you about $1,600 (see google - Australia covid fines); millions of $'s of fine issued but for the most part people have abided by the strict rules.

I think what can be said is the death rate is it could be higher since many people that have died have not been tested - the theory being what the heck why test them they are dead.

Indonesia is a good example of this will only 784 deaths reported from 9,750 COVID cases but the reality is a much higher death rate since the coffin makers in Jakarta cannot keep up with demand. Yes it is fake news to report these low numbers in Indonesia but the reality (the truth) is the numbers are much higher. So if it's not absolutely true then it's fake even though the numbers are certainly higher going on what the coffin makers are saying.

Yes the economies are being destroyed but is it better to take short term pain (3,6,9 months) for a long term benefit - lower death/infection rate? Is it acceptable to let the virus run it course and take the bet "it won’t happen to me" or "if I get it I am only a 1 in 14 chance of dying". If you are one of these people that want to take the risk would anyone entertain to notion of selecting 14 of your family member and randomly killing one of them. For the naysayers let's take 14 family members and let's tell them we are going to kill one of you randomly. Would you do it - I would probably think not. But this analogy should not be lost, for the moment that's what we are potentially saying if we open the economies to soon or open the borders. What is an individual's economic loss without Government subsidies - 3,6,9 months of salary, on a salary of $100,000 the cost is therefore $25,000, $50,000 or $75,000 and for what - to keep your community and family safe. Not a big ask.

Is the data correct that's being report thus far - I am with you on this one - it's not correct - does that make it fake -NO. Is data lower or higher - I would suggest its higher which means the data presented thus far is the baseline or minimalist. Indonesia for me reaffirms that the data is low ball BUT the random sample now is so significant that Mathematicians can extrapolate scenarios. 

Yes, your constitutional rights have probably been trashed. Have constitutional rights through the passage of time been trashed in the USA; yes they have - 1860's Civil war, 1915 - 1918 WW1, 1920's prohibition, 1930's depression, 1941 - 1945 WW2, and all the wars after WW2 where conscription has been used, from 1770 the abuse of minorities, the assassinations of Presidents. So what's new about a Government making decisions for the betterment of society - nothing. That's what Governments do when you live in a democracy - and if you think they have over stepped the mark you tell them at the next election.

The analogy with climate science is not a good one - climate science might or might not be true. If climate change is true it will be a slow destructive burn; COVID 19 is already a wild fire. The baseline data of COVID 19 is not made up if anything I believe the numbers to be low.

Anyway stay safe and healthy, cheers.