Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

2 hours ago, Jee said:

Once again u r quoting the CCP numbers, let's see CCP stats + climate denier medical advice = how we should handle this crisis? Get lost.

Climate denier medical advice?

Your comment above appears mostly ... nonsensical.

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Your ignorance is showing

Meh, I used to get assigned blocks of IP addresses and had to hand them out manually. What a pain in the ass.

Open a port to a DHCP server.

Luddite?

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Enthalpic

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 5/8/2020 at 2:33 PM, Jim Profit said:

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2020/04/google-play-updates-and-information.html

If Google publish applications that spread COVID-19 related disinformation I guess they could get in big trouble.

Isn't gab a safe haven for supremacists, neo-nazis ? The term "patriot" would be stained if used for these kind of people.
Here they're using russian sites when they are fed up with their antisemite diatribe or whatever being taken down from youtube;

Real freedom of speech attracts a lot of rabble but Gab allows you to mute or block them yourself. It does not affect what others see though. That is the way it should be IMO. I refuse to allow left wing rabble or authorities to silence my freedom of speech. Nazis are socialist BTW. Anti Semites are mainly Muslim but many are just ignorant assholes. Most Gabbers are pro Trump or to the right of Trump. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by ronwagn
punctuation

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

12 hours ago, 0R0 said:

Contact your reps and the Republcan party and the administration to block the entire effort of contact tracing and "health passports" This disease is a big fat nothing and carriers don't pose a danger even to high risk groups if they use appropriate PPE. 

The economy can be opened now. 

They should also oppose any requirement by any other nation to have such a device. No government should have access to any health information of anyone at any time under all circumstances including pandemic, Particularly not this one. Particularly not recording associations of people. 

Identify the people negotiating on behalf of the US and withdraw them and their authority to negotiate. 

I am firmly with you on this @0R0.  My thoughts:

1. Virus testing?  For up to the moment results, maybe.  Valid for about 10 seconds after, maybe, if they weren't invalid at the time of the results printout or digital download.  If I am to believe the "government experts", the printer, its paper, ANY human or physical item contacted or even passed by within 2 meters after the test may infect upon contact or through the very air we breathe.  Therefore, the test results are invalidated immediately after testing, and are therefore worthless going forward.

2. Contact tracing?  This is being sold as a way to find all persons the infected has been within 2 meters of.  Somebody help me with the numbers on the next point, please: If the subject human travelled to 13 countries within the last 24 hours (Sound extreme?  Well extreme predictions seem to be all the rage these days, so let's join in, shall we?), how many people could they have infected?  Once you have that number, how many people could those individuals have further infected in the past 24 hours of our subject human's life?  And so on, up to the minute we are testing our subject human.

Guinness World Records: Most countries visited in 24 hours by scheduled transport

To the other extreme, I would ask our numbers crunching volunteer (assuming someone will volunteer) for the same calculations if the subject human lived within 10 minutes walking distance of the testing place, in a "rural" community, had only been to work or school in town, to the local store to buy groceries, purchased some gas at a filling station, and then went back home until they were summoned to be tested.

I'll make a SWAG while we wait for those numbers (If anyone is kind enough to provide them):  So many that we had better just lock down the whole world and keep them locked down until both a cure and a vaccine are invented!  Anybody who disagrees with this is just A MURDERING SELFISH REPUBLICAN MAGA TRUMPSTER ASSHOLE!

OR, maybe the medium to long term reasons for wanting to implement Contact Tracing are actually Political Affiliation Tracing?  Because you know the "other" side is always trying to undermine our efforts to implement Utopia.

3. Health Passports?  They are nothing of the sort (see items 1. & 2. above).  What they are is another means of identification-forcing, that is ONLY useful to the "officer" doing the "checking" for the political purposes of his or her superiors.  Whether they know that or care is another matter.  To wit: if a citizen has the right to not be ID'd unless he or she is suspected of committing a crime, the State's purpose of a "health passport" is to force the citizen to ID "for the good of society" or any other made up reason that the State deems sufficient.

ALL of the above is a sorry-assed attempt at selling people in a panic what certain people have worked their entire adult lives to accomplish by other means, and have failed miserably to do so:  Control by and dependence on the State.

4. "What else would you have us do, nothing?"  No, not nothing.  @0R0 and others have outlined what the data and the doctors would have us do, and I will not once again (for what, the 9th or 10th time) recite them here.  Suffice it to say, isolate the sick and at-risk and not the healthy.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Dan Warnick

[Radha + 262]

This German doctor has great experience with previous "pandemics"  Great video in English

https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/05/06/covid-19-dr-wolfgang-wodarg-science-versus-hype/

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Nailed it !

37 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

 

 

To all those who are furiously pushing for endless government-mandated lockdowns and mindlessly parroting the MSM panic-mongering ...

The points to rebut your deliberately obtuse arguments are in this concise, deliberate, well thought out 3 minute news clip.

This includes rebuttals to all of the U.S. far left Democrats and Socialists (and the politicians bought by the CCP) who are desperately trying to DELIBERATELY destroy the U.S. as a country, and also DELIBERATELY destroy the U.S. economy, with a false and inflated panic narrative.

This also includes the CCP shills on this forum.

 

 

The virus is real.

The virus kills some people, overall about the same rate as a typical flu season kills people.

Most people who get the virus have little or no symptoms.

Most people who get virus the recover.

Overall death rate in broad world population is between 1% to 0.1% or less.  About the same as a typical flu season.

New data shows that most people (around 95% to 99%) who die from the virus had underlying SERIOUS health issues such as :

-  they have cancer

-  they have lung disease

-  they are or were a heavy smoker

-  they are morbidly obese

 

 

 

Yes, I put this comment in big font, so those who are consistently being deliberately obtuse and REFUSE to accept any possibility of good news or easily available treatments or ending lockdowns can't complain that my comment is not clear enough, or that it is difficult to understand.

Yes, I'm talking like a 3rd grader, because some people here continue to deliberately act like 3rd graders.  You know who you are.

Unplug your damn TV and think for yourself.

 

 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

12 hours ago, 0R0 said:

Contact your reps and the Republcan party and the administration to block the entire effort of contact tracing and "health passports" This disease is a big fat nothing and carriers don't pose a danger even to high risk groups if they use appropriate PPE. 

 

I need to use PPE to protect myself against nothing?

Huh... my numerous bots are getting an error code. 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

8 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Meh, I used to get assigned blocks of IP addresses and had to hand them out manually. What a pain in the ass.

Open a port to a DHCP server.

Luddite?

 

Ignorance still. How do you manage to pour piss out of your boots with the directions written right there on the heel? 

It is irrelevant what your local IP address is you can't get anywhere on the internet without a routable address. Those are not dynamically assigned unless you're a dial up Luddite. Therefore anyone with access to the server logs can see your assigned address, assigned by your ISP. Yes there are multiple ways to hide that address, but you're still hitting the server with some address,, even with anon. 

Why don't you stick to a subject you have actual knowledge about? Oh wait, there isn't one…

[Oil Analysis + 4]

3 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

This includes rebuttals to all of the U.S. far left Democrats and Socialists (and the politicians bought by the CCP) who are desperately trying to DELIBERATELY destroy the U.S. as a country, and also DELIBERATELY destroy the U.S. economy, with a false and inflated panic narrative.

This also includes the CCP shills on this forum.

 

The virus is real.

The virus kills some people, overall about the same rate as a typical flu season kills people.

Most people who get the virus have little or no symptoms.

Most people who get virus the recover.

Overall death rate in broad world population is between 1% to 0.1% or less.  About the same as a typical flu season.

 

Hi Tom,

I can't sit and silently watch without speaking up once, you have a small, but important, misunderstanding of this virus. It is demonstrably worse than flu.

Yes, most people will recover and be fine (the same can be said of cancer!). The reality is flu has a case fatility rate of ~0.1% but an infection fatality rate of ~0.03%. From my research I believe Covid has comparable IFR of ~0.4%, making it about ten times deadlier than the flu. The case fatality rate is currently massively inflated by overwhelmed testing regimes and is currently ~6% in the US. Clearly that figure is misleadingly high.

And those that do die: Yes those people are statistically older or more vulnerable - but is it really acceptable to abandon them?More importantly the speed at which this virus spreads overwhelms hospital capacity triggering secondary deaths from lack of healthcare capacity without social distancing actions. So if my daughter got hit by a car just as the hospital system was overwhelmed, and there were no ICU beds available she becomes an unfortunate causality of a lasseiz-faire approach you advocate.

I've come to these conclusions by using rational analysis of the data, not out of panic, or an attempt to 'destroy the economy', take a look at the actual data in New York:

 

Just to put that in context, 0.1% of the NYC population have already died from COVID. All of this is despite severe lockdowns which I hope you agree must have had some mitigating effects (else why are deaths declining week on week?)

You can see the spike from 9/11, and typical flu season 'peaks'. Clearly this is not a comparable event in terms of deaths to flu.

Antibody testing indicates only ~22% of NYC has had the disease (much less state wide). So to get to a herd immunity type level (60-70% antibodies) NY deaths should approximately triple from here. This is how I get to my conservative 0.4% estimate.

Just for clarity, I may be posting from a guest account (my first post here, as I'm doing research on current oil market) but I'm not a 'CCP shill' which you seem to accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being. As it happens I am British and voted for the Tory party recently, not that my politics is important. I would encourage you to realise that actually most people in Western countries don't want economies destroyed. Despite that polling indicates that over 50% of people are in favour of lockdowns in the US and in most of Europe. I get that you're not in that majority, and you believe the shutdowns cause more damage than the virus but there is at least a reasonable possibility that they are helping to prevent more harm than you realise. Businesses can be rebuilt, fortunes re-made and jobs can be re-created. Lives are lost forever.

 

My personal belief is we should've done lockdown and travel ban, followed by contact tracing early (Feb). Look at the success in New Zealand, South Korea and Singapore. This virus is, and always has been containable.

Failing that, and given the situation we're in now with poor government responses in the West, the Swedish model is an alternative, but a pretty callous one. Sadly it maybe the only way forward now: No forced lockdown, but massive social distancing requirements/rules to slow the spread as we approach herd immunity. 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

3 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Ignorance still. How do you manage to pour piss out of your boots with the directions written right there on the heel? 

It is irrelevant what your local IP address is you can't get anywhere on the internet without a routable address. Those are not dynamically assigned unless you're a dial up Luddite. Therefore anyone with access to the server logs can see your assigned address, assigned by your ISP. Yes there are multiple ways to hide that address, but you're still hitting the server with some address,, even with anon. 

Why don't you stick to a subject you have actual knowledge about? Oh wait, there isn't one…

Quit poking fun at us Luddites, dammit!!!

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

43 minutes ago, Oil Analysis said:

Hi Tom,

I can't sit and silently watch without speaking up once, you have a small, but important, misunderstanding of this virus. It is demonstrably worse than flu.

Yes, most people will recover and be fine (the same can be said of cancer!). The reality is flu has a case fatility rate of ~0.1% but an infection fatality rate of ~0.03%. From my research I believe Covid has comparable IFR of ~0.4%, making it about ten times deadlier than the flu. The case fatality rate is currently massively inflated by overwhelmed testing regimes and is currently ~6% in the US. Clearly that figure is misleadingly high.

And those that do die: Yes those people are statistically older or more vulnerable - but is it really acceptable to abandon them?More importantly the speed at which this virus spreads overwhelms hospital capacity triggering secondary deaths from lack of healthcare capacity without social distancing actions. So if my daughter got hit by a car just as the hospital system was overwhelmed, and there were no ICU beds available she becomes an unfortunate causality of a lasseiz-faire approach you advocate.

I've come to these conclusions by using rational analysis of the data, not out of panic, or an attempt to 'destroy the economy', take a look at the actual data in New York:

 

Just to put that in context, 0.1% of the NYC population have already died from COVID. All of this is despite severe lockdowns which I hope you agree must have had some mitigating effects (else why are deaths declining week on week?)

You can see the spike from 9/11, and typical flu season 'peaks'. Clearly this is not a comparable event in terms of deaths to flu.

Antibody testing indicates only ~22% of NYC has had the disease (much less state wide). So to get to a herd immunity type level (60-70% antibodies) NY deaths should approximately triple from here. This is how I get to my conservative 0.4% estimate.

Just for clarity, I may be posting from a guest account (my first post here, as I'm doing research on current oil market) but I'm not a 'CCP shill' which you seem to accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being. As it happens I am British and voted for the Tory party recently, not that my politics is important. I would encourage you to realise that actually most people in Western countries don't want economies destroyed. Despite that polling indicates that over 50% of people are in favour of lockdowns in the US and in most of Europe. I get that you're not in that majority, and you believe the shutdowns cause more damage than the virus but there is at least a reasonable possibility that they are helping to prevent more harm than you realise. Businesses can be rebuilt, fortunes re-made and jobs can be re-created. Lives are lost forever.

 

My personal belief is we should've done lockdown and travel ban, followed by contact tracing early (Feb). Look at the success in New Zealand, South Korea and Singapore. This virus is, and always has been containable.

Failing that, and given the situation we're in now with poor government responses in the West, the Swedish model is an alternative, but a pretty callous one. Sadly it maybe the only way forward now: No forced lockdown, but massive social distancing requirements/rules to slow the spread as we approach herd immunity. 

Good rebuttal, thanks.

I'm out and about right now, trecking through some marshlands.  Will re-read and respond more later.

[El Nikko + 2,145]

UK data updated from weekly deaths

Some data from the UK's Office for National Statistics.

Date 5th May.

27330 deaths in England and Wales.

186 under the age of 40 or 0.68%

615 under the age of 50 or 2.25%

2035 under the age of 60 or 7.45%

5060 under the age of 70 or 18.5%

22,270 over the age of 70 or 81.5%

Date 12th May

33365 deaths in England and Wales.

215 under the age of 40 or 0.64%

723 under the age of 50 or 2.17%

2401 under the age of 60 or 7.2%

3909 under the age of 65 or 11.7%

5934 under the age of 70 or 17.75%

27,431 over the age of 70 or 82%

19,544 over the age of 80 or 58.6%

Once again it shows we should protect the old especially those with multiple co-morbidities and leave the rest to achieve 'herd immunity' (stupid term in my opinion). We have to get there at some point and since the hospitals are ghost towns now is as good a time as ever...why kick the can down the road?

It will be interesting to see what happens with the countries that locked down very hard and fast becasue they will not have herd immunity and therefore maybe or probably be the countries that get a serious 'second wave' or resurgence of the Whu-flu. At the moment people are claiming that Norway and Denmark have done a better job than Sweden but in time we could see the two former countries either have to go through herd immunity and the consequent deaths or have a second, third and forth lockdown because I highly doubt this will be eradicated.

Finally the management of the British NHS has been a disgrace as has the total lack of thought put in to protecting care homes until it was too late. Additionally they are only just starting to test drugs than had shown signs of promise and have already been in use in countries like France and the US. Our testing is a shambles and politicians are paralised with inaction and the MSM continues to spread fear and panic resulting in 80% of the population favoring a continued lockdown.

It is also worth noting that compared to the 5 year average the number of non-covid deaths is also much higher and yet to be accounted for although I think it's highly likely that the 'stay at home' message discouraged people who were in serious need of medical assistance from going to hospital and therefore died at home.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by El Nikko

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

1 hour ago, Oil Analysis said:

Hi Tom,

I can't sit and silently watch without speaking up once, you have a small, but important, misunderstanding of this virus. It is demonstrably worse than flu.

Yes, most people will recover and be fine (the same can be said of cancer!). The reality is flu has a case fatility rate of ~0.1% but an infection fatality rate of ~0.03%. From my research I believe Covid has comparable IFR of ~0.4%, making it about ten times deadlier than the flu. The case fatality rate is currently massively inflated by overwhelmed testing regimes and is currently ~6% in the US. Clearly that figure is misleadingly high.

And those that do die: Yes those people are statistically older or more vulnerable - but is it really acceptable to abandon them?More importantly the speed at which this virus spreads overwhelms hospital capacity triggering secondary deaths from lack of healthcare capacity without social distancing actions. So if my daughter got hit by a car just as the hospital system was overwhelmed, and there were no ICU beds available she becomes an unfortunate causality of a lasseiz-faire approach you advocate.

I've come to these conclusions by using rational analysis of the data, not out of panic, or an attempt to 'destroy the economy', take a look at the actual data in New York:

 

Just to put that in context, 0.1% of the NYC population have already died from COVID. All of this is despite severe lockdowns which I hope you agree must have had some mitigating effects (else why are deaths declining week on week?)

You can see the spike from 9/11, and typical flu season 'peaks'. Clearly this is not a comparable event in terms of deaths to flu.

Antibody testing indicates only ~22% of NYC has had the disease (much less state wide). So to get to a herd immunity type level (60-70% antibodies) NY deaths should approximately triple from here. This is how I get to my conservative 0.4% estimate.

Just for clarity, I may be posting from a guest account (my first post here, as I'm doing research on current oil market) but I'm not a 'CCP shill' which you seem to accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being. As it happens I am British and voted for the Tory party recently, not that my politics is important. I would encourage you to realise that actually most people in Western countries don't want economies destroyed. Despite that polling indicates that over 50% of people are in favour of lockdowns in the US and in most of Europe. I get that you're not in that majority, and you believe the shutdowns cause more damage than the virus but there is at least a reasonable possibility that they are helping to prevent more harm than you realise. Businesses can be rebuilt, fortunes re-made and jobs can be re-created. Lives are lost forever.

 

My personal belief is we should've done lockdown and travel ban, followed by contact tracing early (Feb). Look at the success in New Zealand, South Korea and Singapore. This virus is, and always has been containable.

Failing that, and given the situation we're in now with poor government responses in the West, the Swedish model is an alternative, but a pretty callous one. Sadly it maybe the only way forward now: No forced lockdown, but massive social distancing requirements/rules to slow the spread as we approach herd immunity. 

Oh boy.  Here we go again.  By that I mean all that you have commented above has been hashed out on Oil Price about, I don't know, 9 or ten times?  My suggestion to you, since in your case you at least came on in a civil and sincere way (others have not), please go back to the beginning of this thread and read forward to here.  There are other threads that also discuss other details.  In essence, we have covered these discussion points and I would say that yours are in line with the consensus.

I Understand you may have just seen Tom's rather excited and over the top (luv you Tom) comments and don't have the context or background of all previous discussions.

Finally, Welcome to Oil Price!

Edited May 12, 2020 by Dan Warnick

[Jee + 27]

12 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Climate denier medical advice?

Your comment above appears mostly ... nonsensical.

In what sense is it nonsensical Tom?

[Jee + 27]

Thanks for the attention all.

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Ignorance still. How do you manage to pour piss out of your boots with the directions written right there on the heel? 

It is irrelevant what your local IP address is you can't get anywhere on the internet without a routable address. Those are not dynamically assigned unless you're a dial up Luddite. Therefore anyone with access to the server logs can see your assigned address, assigned by your ISP. Yes there are multiple ways to hide that address, but you're still hitting the server with some address,, even with anon. 

Why don't you stick to a subject you have actual knowledge about? Oh wait, there isn't one…

I'm not an IT pro, but I did have to keep a bloody spreadsheet of lab workstations and the IP addresses.

IT security eventually saw the list and got angry...

It was literally a list of operating systems, installed chemistry software, and their static IP addresses. Any moron with that list could find many holes and infiltrate the federal government. 

I of course had administrator rights across the whole fucking domain even though I worked in a lab and never should have had that.   Most people didn't even have local administrator rights (rightfully so). I could have deleted entire fileshares and was privy to the backup schedule and location. 

I bet my second admin login still works... they only delete "people" when they leave and they set the admin passwords to never expire.

 

cmd.exe

Ping Dipshit

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Enthalpic

[Jee + 27]

You all heard what Dr. Fauci said to the senate today right?

No media or commentator BS, just him telling the senate his concerns about states opening too soon.

Why didn't senate invite someone like Nik Lewis, a self claimed "scientist"? OH WAIT, senate is controlled by DEMOCRATS.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Jee

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

12 minutes ago, Jee said:

You all heard what Dr. Fauci said to the senate today right?

No media or commentator BS, just him telling the senate his concerns about states opening too soon.

Why didn't senate invite someone like Nik Lewis, a self claimed "scientist"? OH WAIT, senate is controlled by DEMOCRATS.

If that were true the impeachment would have been extra sweet. 

Sadly, trump had some friends in the senate to save his criminal ass.  I bet the senate told him his a-hole tasted great when they were done...  Whores who complain get the "You're Fired" line.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Enthalpic

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

6 hours ago, Oil Analysis said:

Hi Tom,

I can't sit and silently watch without speaking up once, you have a small, but important, misunderstanding of this virus. It is demonstrably worse than flu.

Yes, most people will recover and be fine (the same can be said of cancer!). The reality is flu has a case fatility rate of ~0.1% but an infection fatality rate of ~0.03%. From my research I believe Covid has comparable IFR of ~0.4%, making it about ten times deadlier than the flu. The case fatality rate is currently massively inflated by overwhelmed testing regimes and is currently ~6% in the US. Clearly that figure is misleadingly high.

     < snip >

 

5 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Good rebuttal, thanks.

I'm out and about right now, trecking through some marshlands.  Will re-read and respond more later.

 

5 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Oh boy.  Here we go again.  By that I mean all that you have commented above has been hashed out on Oil Price about, I don't know, 9 or ten times?  My suggestion to you, since in your case you at least came on in a civil and sincere way (others have not), please go back to the beginning of this thread and read forward to here.  There are other threads that also discuss other details.  In essence, we have covered these discussion points and I would say that yours are in line with the consensus.

I Understand you may have just seen Tom's rather excited and over the top (luv you Tom) comments and don't have the context or background of all previous discussions.

Finally, Welcome to Oil Price!

 

OK, back indoors.  Dan has a good suggestion, there is quite a bit of earlier context that you likely missed.

Yes, my huge font comment was a bit over the top, but it was meant to be that way.

If you read this entire thread (all 20 pages or so, the context may get a bit clearer, why I reacted the way I did.

Some earlier threads, for more context as well...

 

 

 

Anyway, as Dan said, welcome to the forum.  It is indeed appreciated that you came in with a level headed attitude, rather than like a bull in a China shop (we've had a few new bulls running around here recently).

 

[Boat + 1,324]

On 5/3/2020 at 1:48 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

Excellent overview.

Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

ANALYSIS / OPINION:

The new coronavirus is real.

The response to the coronavirus is hyped.  And in time, this hype will be revealed as politically hoaxed.

In fact, COVID-19 will go down as one of the political world’s biggest, most shamefully overblown, overhyped, overly and irrationally inflated and outright deceptively flawed responses to a health matter in American history, one that was carried largely on the lips of medical professionals who have no business running a national economy or government.

The facts are this: COVID-19 is a real disease that sickens some, proves fatal to others, mostly the elderly — and does nothing to the vast majority.

That’s it.

That, in a nutshell, is it.

Or, in the words of Dan Erickson and Artin Massih, doctors and co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, California: Let’s get the country reopened - and now.

“Do we need to still shelter in place?  Our answer is emphatically no.  Do we need businesses to be shut down?  Emphatically no. …  [T]he data is showing it’s time to lift,” Erickson said, in a recent interview.

He’s right.  They’re right.

The data to keep America closed and Americans closed in simply doesn’t exist.

If truth be told, it’s questionable it ever did.

The scientists leading the coronavirus shutdown charge predicted in March that in America, between 100,000 and 250,000 would die.  They based those estimates on computer modeling.

But at the same time they were basing those estimates on computer modeling, they were acknowledging that computer modeling is inaccurate and errs on the side of hype.

“I’ve never seen a model of the diseases I’ve dealt with where the worst-case actually came out,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a member of President Donald Trump’s White House coronavirus task force, during a CNN interview in March.  “They always overshoot.”

Catch that?  Fauci’s message: Computer models are flawed and inaccurate and always overestimate the problem.

But from these faulty overinflated computer figures came all the constitutionally questionable actions by government anyway - from ordering businesses closed to quarantining-slash-house arresting American citizens to doing some quick and pitiful and economically painful income redistribution schemes via stimulus funds’ legislation.

Since, about 56,000 have died in America due to coronavirus — or have they?  Again, the facts are flimsy.

Government ordered hospitals weeks ago to stop performing elective surgeries to make way for the projected numbers of coronavirus patients.  So they did.  And in so doing, they cut off their revenue streams.  So Congress passed legislation giving hospitals billions of dollars to treat coronavirus patients.  Conflict of interest?  Yikes.  Yes.

The coronavirus counts, already flawed from computer modeling, were then given another flaw treatment.

“[Pennsylvania] removes more than 200 deaths from official coronavirus count as questions mount about reporting process, data accuracy,” The Inquirer reported.

Add to that the ever-changing nature of a virus that spreads by air and contact, and honestly, suddenly, even expert Fauci’s best guess is about as good as Joe Neighbor’s best guess.  So that leaves common sense, combined with knowledge of past viruses, to guide.

But the quote-unquote medical experts refused to go there, refused to acknowledge common sense, refused to compare with past viruses in any way that didn’t hype the coronavirus counts.

This virus was different, Americans were told.  This virus was far more contagious than anything ever before seen or studied, Americans were told.  And any time the case counts dropped off and the numbers proved wrong, well, this was due to the social distancing and quarantining and face-mask wearing that Americans had been doing, by government’s order - Americans were told.

It just didn’t make sense.

It just doesn’t add up.

It just didn’t, and doesn’t, justify the utter shredding of civil rights.

And now some in the medical community, thank goodness, are starting to point out the glaring omissions of logic and fact that have plagued this overhyped, overreaching coronavirus crackdown that has stretched on far, far too long.

Among some of Erickson’s remarks: “This is immunology — microbiology 101.  This is the basis of what we’ve known for years: When you take human beings and you say, ‘Go into your house, clean all your counters, Lysol them down’ … what does it do to our immune system? … Sheltering in place decreases your immune system.”

And this: “Any time you have something new in the [medical] community, it sparks fear — and I would have done what Dr. Fauci did … initially. … But you know, looking at theories and models — which is what these folks use — is very different than the way the actual virus presents itself throughout communities.”

And this: “Do you think you’re protected from COVID when you wear gloves that transfer disease everywhere? … We wear masks in an acute setting to protect us.  [But] we’re not wearing masks.  Why is that?  Because we understand microbiology.  We understand immunology.  And we want strong immune systems.  I don’t want to hide in my home, develop a weak immune system and then come out and get disease.”

And this: “When I’m writing up my death report I’m being pressured to add COVID.  Why is that?  Why are we being pressured to add COVID?  To maybe increase the numbers, and make it look a little bit worse than it is.  We’re being pressured in-house to add COVID to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death.  The actual cause of death was not COVID, but it’s being reported as one of the diseases processes. … COVID didn’t kill them, 25 years of tobacco use killed.”

Does it get any clearer than that?

Seriously, America.  The only reason America is still in shutdown mode is political.

Either politicians are too afraid to make any move that might come back to bite them politically or politicians are using this coronavirus to political advantage — to, say, pass gun control laws, like Virginia’s governor, Ralph Northam.  Or to, say, float campaign hopes on the current ravaged economy, like former Vice President Joe Biden and oh, all the Democrats facing races.

But for the rest of America - the rest of hardworking, freedom-loving America - it’s time to reel in the radically unconstitutional.

“If you’re going to dance on someone’s constitutional rights, you better have a good reason - you better have a really good reason, not just a theory,” Erickson said.  “The data is showing us it’s time to lift … so if we don’t lift, what is the reason?”

That is the key question.

As time goes by, the answer will only become more and more evident.  The coronavirus may be real — but the hype is hoaxed.  Now let’s just hope this is a one-time hoax that doesn’t roll around every time flu season approaches.

 

Are you shorting stock on retirement businesses? Maybe own some stock in body bag manufacturers? If your tested and cleared roam around and work practicing safe protocols. Then get tested next week. Repeat. This is your new life. This is common sense. These are minimal requirements to keep old people around you alive. 
The system is still so overwhelmed it can’t provide needed testing, hell it can’t provide disinfectant wipes. Your version of hype is horse shyt. Lol

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Thank you Mr. Kirkman for your sober look at this insanity.

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Hi All - I just wanted to stop in to say "hello".   Life has been getting in the way and I've been doing more stock and options research than normal,  so I haven't been posting much.  Also, grand kid #2 was born yesterday!  That makes everything secondary.  Last time around this daughter came within hours of dieing (kidney, liver and blood clotting stopped) due to the pregnany and complications there of. This time around, everything went per God's design, without complications and my two babies are doing fine. I haven't seen them due to hosptal covid restrictions there is no visitation so we're wating for her "grand" appearance hopefully on Wednesday sometime.

OK. Back on topic....I admit have only read a few comments, but I'm fairly fed up with all this stuff.   I'm in the high risk group, but I'm still in favor of limited opening of most things.  I'm a strong believer in personal responsibility.  Everyone ( ok, the vast majority) know what they should do for staying safe.   At this point I think we let Darwin take over. 

Enjoy!