Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

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1 hour ago, HermitMunster said:

The economy never should've been shut down. It was a trap. 7.6 billion people on the planet and 300,000 dead from this "plague". Laughable.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1260354540001468425

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On 5/12/2020 at 8:29 AM, Enthalpic said:

I need to use PPE to protect myself against nothing?

Huh... my numerous bots are getting an error code. 

If you are not in a high risk group then you are facing nothing.

If you are in a high risk group you are facing a 2% chance of death. And complications. For everyone else, mortality is at flu levels, i.e. less risky than staying at home long term. Talk to an immunologist. As you continue isolation you lose immunity to common pathogens due to lack of exposure, thus making each day of delay in opening up contact with people another increase in danger of death when you do open up. This is one of many issues the medical-government-pharmaceutical cabal is not touching on. Stop drinking the koolaid and read science instead of government press releases. You obviously have a brain, use it to connect the dots. The lockdown is not at all  about the virus. CA should have lifted its lockdown over a month ago. FL too. 

The idiotic goal of getting the virus extinct is not achievable and irrational. Thus "flattening the curve" is an idiotic and irrational goal. Effective herd immunity is the only possible available method to protect the high risk population over time, as that produces a buffer that eliminates transmission. Vaccines may be available worldwide in 2 years if we are very very lucky. For anyone following head Malthusian Bill Gates, he wants a total control society. He does not care about a vaccine a treatment or a cure. He cares to cause the death of billions of people due to breakdown of the global supply chains as a consequence of lockdowns. If there is one person not to listen to it is him. 

The lockdowns were never necessary, the Swedes showed that clearly. There never was a reason to keep kids out of school. Germany and Switzerland are sending their kids back to school. Turns out they are not the vectors we thought they were (I definitely thought so). The correlation of median age of population and elevated R0 or prevalence values is from another behavioral demographic or medical cause. 

Stop arguing a cause, and start thinking about it instead. 

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1 hour ago, HermitMunster said:

Everything that is being done after the fact is being done to bring down Trump. Look at how China has obfuscated this entire time. Look at the connections to the WHO. It isn't happenstance. Frankly, I think Trump should enact a trade embargo with China. Let's see how well the Chinese do without the backing of the U.S. dollar.

 

 

Chinese death threats for Polish illustrator! Her boss wants to fire her

A Polish illustrator Greta Samuel began receiving death threats from the Chinese after she had published her illustration about the coronavirus and communist China on the popular website Behance.net. The Chinese cast curses on her, wishing her and her mother died. Unfortunately, the artist’s London-based employer – one of the largest British startups – Culture Trip, began to speak in one voice with Chinese trolls, implementing disciplinary action against her when she refused to remove the illustration from her website. “There is a Chinese army of 2 million paid trolls. Critical statements about the Chinese authorities face such threats quite often. I’m sure the so-called “50 Cent Army” (五毛党) is behind this. They try to intimidate and discourage people from viewing such materials” – says Hanna Shen, correspondent of Against The Tide TV in Taiwan. 

The death threats of Chinese propaganda workers began to appear on Samuel’s profile after she published graphics used by Against The Tide TV. The illustration shows the slogan “CCP virus – No, thanks!” and presents Xi Jinping spreading the Chinese virus to the world. Comments that appeared in the comment section under the illustration of Greta Samuel read, among others “NMSL”, which in Chinese means “Your Mother Is Dead” (你妈死了).  ...

 

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7 hours ago, D Coyne said:

Dan,

Problem with that theory is that there are many who are infected with the virus who show no symptoms, that is how it has spread so widely.  Those people, who the libertarians believe should be allowed to not wear masks so they can be "free" to infect others, will indeed infect many other people, especially when there is little social distancing, that increases the chances that vulnerable people will be infected because complete isolation is very difficult.

Also note the reason there are major differences in the number of cases or deaths per capita in some nations or regions is how quickly some nations acted and their success in ramping up testing quickly as well as their advanced preparation with stockpiles of PPE and a well coordinated government response.

Much of the infection in the Northeast is due to European travellers that tend to come through New York, New Jersey, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, and Washington DC.

The only people who need to be tested are those at high risk and the people they make daily contact with. And they need to be tested regularly. Everybody else doe not need to be tested, does not need to refrain from normal activity and does not need to worry about transmission. You do NOT want transmission to stop, you want it to be sufficiently slow so that you don't get large surges of infection that reach the high risk group. We DO want the active public to have antibodies. We do need cheap commonly available treatments. Remdesivir is not one of them. It is a high cost low effectiveness drug. The medical community is fighting the medical establishment's attempts to quash trials and studies of these treatments and their use. 

Stop relying on the CCP narrative spouted by the Democrats and bureaucrats with scientist and doctor costumes. You can identify the claptrap by the narrative, by the deliberate choice to ignore treatments positive developments and findings and facts, vs. adherence to assured economic destruction as the only choice. 

 

[EntitledBull + 3]

2 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

I can't recall the last time anyone called me either typical or complacent. 

 

You've never heard those criticisms because like most complacent Americans, you live in a bubble. Your writing stinks of it, trust me.

 

Stick to talking about oil, like I said.

Edited May 13, 2020 by EntitledBull

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3 minutes ago, EntitledBull said:

You've never heard those criticisms because like most complacent Americans, you live in a bubble. Your writing stinks of it, trust me.

 

Stick to talking about oil, like I said.

OK Boomer.

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2 hours ago, HermitMunster said:

The economy never should've been shut down. It was a trap. 7.6 billion people on the planet and 300,000 dead from this "plague". Laughable.

 

Oh, totally. Air travel falling by over 90% and blanket measures to have people stay at home totally had no role in that. We should all have listened to HermitHamster and kept everything open.

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> “I’ve never seen a model of the diseases I’ve dealt with where the worst-case actually came out,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of [...] “They always overshoot.”

> Computer models are flawed and inaccurate and always overestimate the problem.

 

Speaking of numbers, the next time I attend an AGM and they start throwing numbers around I am going to demand that they cut out all the mathematical mumbo jumbo and straight up just give us a single estimate. Just ONE number is all we need, after all. 

None of that multiple scenario, upper-bound, lower-bound load of baloney.

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by EntitledBull

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2 hours ago, tomstewa said:

In Colorado, it looks like 95% of the deaths are in the 50+ age group and center around the larger populations. This is from the State of Colorado and maybe I'm reading this incorrectly, but I don't think so.  It would be nice to see if there is the same data available across all the States.  

So why didn't we have a stay at home for only the 50+ crowd?  Obviously the numbers were not available before, but many states (mostly Democratic) insist on continuing the charade. It's funny how the left is always trying to shutdown oil and this is actually causing the Solar/Wind industry not be able to compete. OIL will continue to dominate for many, many years.

 

 

 

We can see that it is less age than existing comorbidities - the high risk group of smokers morbidly obese diabetics and ill (Cancer heart and vascular diseases and lung disorders etc. ) That is what we had known since February from China Korea, HK, Korea.  The lockdown reaction was known to be unnecessary from the get go. Only these high risk groups needed to be protected with masks and gloves, and provided with assistance to self quarantine till herd immunity was achieved. That was the general plan in the West. Yet it was scuttled in execution nearly everywhere and political  action has exacerbated the spread of the virus to those most at risk. Cuomo didn't stand alone sending infected people to nursing homes, Italy did the exact same thing. He copied the worst practices from around the globe and applied them.

90% of the deaths in NYC are associated with at least one comorbidity. Most of the deaths are associated with at least two. E.g. >10k comorbidities in the 80-89 group among 5.7k deaths.

Age is a factor in that your likelihood of a comorbidity factor is much higher. Age alone is not as great a factor till you go above 70. 

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Oh, and such estimates should be verified afterward for their accuracy, by an independent auditor in the interests of fairness.

 

You have to keep the pointy-heads crunching those numbers honest. AT BEST they could be incompetent and in need of replacement. At worst they could have a hidden agenda.

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13 minutes ago, EntitledBull said:

 

Oh, totally. Air travel falling by over 90% and blanket measures to have people stay at home totally had no role in that. We should all have listened to HermitHamster and kept everything open.

Yes, those acts did have a little to do with it, but the main component is the creation of an initial herd immunity in high transmission demographics - like frequent fliers, subway riders, densely packed elevator riders. 

Swedish stats indicate you obtain effective herd immunity at much lower prevalence levels than a simpleton's epidemiology model would indicate. 

https://judithcurry.com/2020/05/10/why-herd-immunity-to-covid-19-is-reached-much-earlier-than-thought/

 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

On 5/11/2020 at 11:39 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

New York Post:

Cuomo’s nursing home reversal is too little, too late for those now dead: Goodwin

Gov. Cuomo will never be confused with Fiorello La Guardia. “When I make a mistake, it’s a beaut,” the legendary mayor of New York once confessed.

Unfortunately, Cuomo’s pride and political calculations don’t allow him to admit error even as he finally reverses one of the mostly deadly policy mistakes in New York history.

Nursing homes and rehabilitation centers have tallied more than 5,000 coronavirus deaths, yet the governor accepts zero responsibility despite his March 25th order forcing them to take infected patients from hospitals.

Now he says they no longer have to do that, announcing Sunday that “a hospital cannot discharge a person who is COVID positive to a nursing home.”

Indeed, the initial order denied nursing homes the right even to ask if patients being sent by hospitals had tested positive for the coronavirus.

Now hospitals must do discharge tests and only those who are negative can be referred to nursing homes.

Said one nursing home executive, “It feels at least a month too late.”

The move comes amid growing calls for an independent investigation of the nursing home catastrophe, where the death count dwarfs the total deaths in every other state except New Jersey.

Still, Cuomo claims the reversal is not a reversal, nor is it a recognition of the fatal impact of the initial order.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1260588266547548160

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

35 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

If you are not in a high risk group then you are facing nothing.

If you are in a high risk group you are facing a 2% chance of death. And complications. For everyone else, mortality is at flu levels, i.e. less risky than staying at home long term. Talk to an immunologist. As you continue isolation you lose immunity to common pathogens due to lack of exposure, thus making each day of delay in opening up contact with people another increase in danger of death when you do open up. This is one of many issues the medical-government-pharmaceutical cabal is not touching on. Stop drinking the koolaid and read science instead of government press releases. You obviously have a brain, use it to connect the dots. The lockdown is not at all  about the virus. CA should have lifted its lockdown over a month ago. FL too. 

The idiotic goal of getting the virus extinct is not achievable and irrational. Thus "flattening the curve" is an idiotic and irrational goal. Effective herd immunity is the only possible available method to protect the high risk population over time, as that produces a buffer that eliminates transmission. Vaccines may be available worldwide in 2 years if we are very very lucky. For anyone following head Malthusian Bill Gates, he wants a total control society. He does not care about a vaccine a treatment or a cure. He cares to cause the death of billions of people due to breakdown of the global supply chains as a consequence of lockdowns. If there is one person not to listen to it is him. 

The lockdowns were never necessary, the Swedes showed that clearly. There never was a reason to keep kids out of school. Germany and Switzerland are sending their kids back to school. Turns out they are not the vectors we thought they were (I definitely thought so). The correlation of median age of population and elevated R0 or prevalence values is from another behavioral demographic or medical cause. 

Stop arguing a cause, and start thinking about it instead. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sweden is doing poorly... more deaths per capita than a lot of other places.

 

Side note: I have never worn a mask or used gloves and don't plan on. However, I'm pretty sure I caught the illness and recovered without testing.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Random Atlanta Athens Georgia county shows no impact of opening up.

Similarly in Texas

I actually searched out counties with at least a blip on the chart. 

 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

Remember, lower than expected death toll is evidence for - not against - social distancing.

We did the distancing and have no "control earth" to compare against.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Enthalpic

[GunnysGhost + 157]

How the pros all turn into cons -

Con: kids aren't going to school

Pro: school has become minimally valuable anyway.  Waste of taxpayer money

Con: jobs won't hire new hires because no education

Pro: no jobs to be had anyway because virus

Con: global socialism wins because now no one is a) educated enough to work b) never worked a day c) wouldn't find work anyway

Pro: At least we can now put to rest that Socialism is the philosophy of the educated.  Socialism works best when you dumb down / make useless large swaths of society.  The convergent evolution between useless college degrees and no school at all is that they both prefer someone else pick up the tab.   And C-19 has catalyzed that x1000.  You're not educated unless you will someday become a producer to society.  (protests are not production).    Game. Set. Match.  Next argument. 

Con: Are you sure that last one was a Pro?

 

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7 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Shows no impact of opening up [...] Similarly in Texas

I actually searched out counties with at least a blip on the chart. 

 

 

Travis County is still under a stay-at-home order, you fool.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/austin-stay-home-order-extended-travis-county-coronavirus/269-af9ac94b-8218-4c7c-a572-e59eaf23b7fd

 

 

 

You clearly belong to the "spending two minutes googling something tells me all I need to know about it" school of academic scholarship.

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by EntitledBull

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

Dr. Brownstein and Dr. Ng have seen more than 100 COVID patients.  They have Case Histories on their Youtube Channel.  They have had wonderful success!   Fantastic success!  You can hear about the treatment protocols (which include Ozone and Ultraviolet light blood therapy which I had posted here on the “Discussion Board” weeks ago).

https://youtu.be/fdat7OrEnK8

 ...and...

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11 minutes ago, EntitledBull said:

 

Travis County is still under a stay-at-home order, you fool.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/austin-stay-home-order-extended-travis-county-coronavirus/269-af9ac94b-8218-4c7c-a572-e59eaf23b7fd

 

 

 

You clearly belong to the "spending two minutes googling something tells me all I need to know about it" school of academic scholarship.

 

Now you are belittling 0R0's intellect?  You really have no idea who you are talking to.

How about next you verbally attack @Jan van Eck  (that's sarcasm, and I would advise against it; you are no match of wits against 0R0 or Jan.)

Always amusing to see a newcomer here, deciding to thrash around on this forum like bull with a bee up its butt and horning others.

A word of advice, keep it up and you will receive a warning and / or time out.

Please play nice with others, at least until you get a bit more familiar with the general gist of the forum and have a bit better feel for the members here (no, I'm not asking you emulate Joe Biden by feeling members here.)

 

[EntitledBull + 3]

14 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sweden is doing poorly... more deaths per capita than a lot of other places.

 

 

Here's the chart, sorted by deaths per 1 million people:

 

 

 

If you nix the statistically irrelevant entries San Marino (population 30,000), Andorra (77,000), and Sint Maarten (41,000), Sweden is at #6 in the world by deaths per capita.

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

FYI ozone and UV light are carcinogenic.

"May I trade a probably self-resolving viral infection for cancer please?" 

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7 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sweden is doing poorly... more deaths per capita than a lot of other places.

 

Side note: I have never worn a mask or used gloves and don't plan on. However, I'm pretty sure I caught the illness and recovered without testing.

 

Sweden is doing great compared to Italy Spain France and the UK. It is 343 deaths per million. In contrast with neighbors Denmark 92 Norway 42 and Finland 51. But that is not counting the positive side, that they do have a degree of herd immunity, did not devastate their people and their economy, and let people and businesses to find their own solutions and level of risk they find acceptable. 

Traffic deaths in the US 124 per million. Flu and Pneumonia are 160 per million, the 1968 flu pandemic was 100k of 200 million people. Nobody panicked. 

The reality is that official sector actions were not useful in aggregate unless they were taken aggressively and early. But even then, they were unnecessary had we followed what we knew and prepared to provide the high risk groups. But nobody - meaning nobody anywhere, did any sort of preparations on that matter. 

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> Sweden is doing great compared to Italy Spain France and the UK. It is 343 deaths per million.

 

Lol, Sweden isn't doing great. Their death and infection count would likely be much higher if they did as many tests as the countries above them.

 

Of the five countries above Sweden in the deaths per capita rankings, all five have a higher testing rate. Four have a testing rate at least twice as high.

Edited May 13, 2020 by EntitledBull

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

2 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

Dr. Brownstein and Dr. Ng have seen more than 100 COVID patients.

https://youtu.be/Bo-xzvxGdhQ

...and...

Christopher: "4 days ago I felt I was staring at inevitable death."

https://youtu.be/YYiFuWa5ito