Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

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1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said:

No, nothing better, just a healthy dose of common sense and not believing everything I read.

Nothing says "common sense" better than ignoring the facts and begging the question.

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42 minutes ago, Jim Profit said:

Nothing says "common sense" better than ignoring the facts and begging the question.

The exact same could be said, and is being said, concerning your viewpoint. 

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1 hour ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

 

Amateurs...  You need the full course treatment.  Hookers and blow are at your own expense though.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1258229976849092608

 

Trading should be acceptable.  Ha-ha!

And then there's this:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1258140787369533440

 

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Dan Warnick

[Radha + 262]

What a way to "solve" the homelessness crisis. Of course they create another problem in the process which will be bigger than the initial problem.

[Radha + 262]

And in poorer countries in the world the lock down has had catastrophic effects on the people.

A lock down might seem kind of cool if you get unemployment money, a $1200 check, have credit cards, perhaps savings and some wealthy family and friends who can help out. None of these are available to 100s of millions of people in 3rd world countries who live day to day or week to week.

Maybe this is part of Gates' depopulation plan. The more you analyze the data the more you see that the lock down makes no sense. Over 50% of the deaths in US and most European countries have been in nursing homes. But yes, let's lock up 99.9% of the healthy population. That will surely do the trick. Instead of focusing on how people can boost their immune system all the focus is on the 2021 vaccine. Sorry guys, but then this virus will have mutated already.

[Radha + 262]

 From this morning discussing where NYS is finding new cases. Ring any bells?

https://twitter.com/nj_hill/status/1258066896429232134/photo/1

Lockdowns don't work

[Radha + 262]

33 million jobs destroyed and SURPRISE no impact on disease spread. Great experiment.

More than 33 million Americans have filed initial claims in the last 7 weeks

 

 

[El Nikko + 2,145]

Remember the 1999/2000 lockdown?

Nope

[Radha + 262]

Ingraham hits it 

 

[Jim Profit + 46]

2 hours ago, Radha said:

 From this morning discussing where NYS is finding new cases. Ring any bells?

https://twitter.com/nj_hill/status/1258066896429232134/photo/1

Lockdowns don't work

Maybe if you explain your reasoning you would be more convincing... or not.

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11 minutes ago, Jim Profit said:

Maybe if you explain your reasoning you would be more convincing... or not.

How can lockdowns work in the long run? Yes, they ‘flatten the curve’ so that the health care systems are not over run, but you are simply kicking the can down the road.

At some point you will need to lift the lockdown and let people out to interact. At some point these people will get fed up with the mask and glove routine and hopefully get back to a normal life (if they still have a job and aren’t too far in debt).

At this point, if there is even one infected person in the community, it is only a matter of time until, theoretically, everyone is infected.

Am I missing something here? Is there a flaw in my logic? Lockdown does not equate to immunity, actually it hinders the development of immunity while the economy and quality of life goes down the toilet.

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1 hour ago, El Nikko said:

Remember the 1999/2000 lockdown?

Nope

Look at what's written under the chart:

England & Wales total death, all causes, per extended flu season, weeks 49-16

There is about 500,000 deaths per year in England + Wales, around 10,000 are caused by flu 

You can see for yourself here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathregistrationssummarytablesenglandandwalesreferencetables

Where did you find this graphic ?

Update:

You can even check using weekly death data 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

Edited May 7, 2020 by Jim Profit

[Jim Profit + 46]

I was asking how this twitter link:

https://twitter.com/nj_hill/status/1258066896429232134/photo/1

implies that:

"Lockdowns don't work"

Edited May 7, 2020 by Jim Profit

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2 hours ago, El Nikko said:

Remember the 1999/2000 lockdown?

Nope

I think I'm the one who didn't understand.. My bad.

I'm used to see so many fake news that I expect to see more..

What were you saying ? Could you be more specific ? Can't find any information about a lockdown in 1999/2000 in England and Wales..

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Jim Profit

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4 minutes ago, Jim Profit said:

 

I think I'm the one who didn't understand.. My bad.

I'm used to see such fake news that I expect to see more..

What were you saying ? Could you be more specific ? Can't find any information about a lockdown in 1999/2000 in England and Wales..

 

I was being sarcastic, there wasn't one. There have been excess winter deaths (during winter flu season) slightly higher that we have to date although when this is over this could be the highest in 20 years but probably not by much.

All the data I post on here related to the UK deaths have come from the ONS, I download them each week because I am interested in the statistics. My feeling is by the end of this year we could find that the total deaths in the UK maybe similar to previous years where there have been high deaths during the flu season.

If you download yearly deaths from the ONS you will actually find that flu is almost never recorded as the cause of death (I'm sure many are now aware of this fact) but estimations are made yearly on how many people die due to complications which arise from flu i.e. pneumonia etc.

Unfortunately people are already completely polarised in opinion about what we have done this year and in many ways it's pointless argueing but I am quite sure the lockdown was not needed but advise on washing hands was very welcome from myself although it's a shame that in 2020 instead of flying cars and moon bases we learned to be hygenic.

From the govenments own data it looks like the peak deaths occured around the 8th of April and I believe that the average time it takes to die is around 24 days (will have to check the latest on that one). This means that peak infections probably happened before the lockdown but after the advise from the government to wash hands etc.

As I've said before I think we have done an apauling job in the UK, flights weren't stopped for example and subsidising the airlines would have been a lot cheaper than total lockdown. The NHS emptied their beds, full of old and ill people in hospital and dumped some of them in care homes where they had not originated from. ICU bed spaces were only 60% full down from around 80-85% from the previous year! The hospitals are now a complete ghost town and they cancelled many life saving treatments which will probably result in even more deaths. Some people sent out of hospital to care homes were infected with covid and that spread through them like wildfire. My own Aunt who is a nurse in a mental health care home had one guy of 70 who was tested positive, the hospital sent him back and a week or so later they had 20 cases.

So in short, we locked up the healthy, threw the elderly and vulnerable under a bus, didn't give enough help to care home staff and didn't start using the anti viral drugs that may help until too late (if at all). On top of that we've destroyed millions of jobs and thousands of businesses because the government believed models from someone that have been wrong several times before i.e. swing flu, foot and mouth etc.

I also posted some statistics also from the ONS which show just how unlikely the working population were to die from covid-19, that is if you catch it and the percentage is very low for the under 50s (2.45%) and still pretty low for the under 60s (around 7%). It should be no surprise that the vast majority of deaths (81.5%) were in the over 70s and amongst those who had serious medical conditions and poor immune systems.

Anyway...it doesn't matter now what's done is done and we're going to have to try to dig our way out of this economic disaster some how, I just hope it doesn't takes years.

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37 minutes ago, Jim Profit said:

 

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By the way, probably a coincidence but I used to work with someone called Jim Profit in the North Sea, Aberdeen

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Thank you for taking so muchof your time to make such a lengthy and interesting response. And for being so kind to me 😉
How many did die from the flu during the 1999-2000 season ?

UK Covid-19 official death is 30k ..

And the 30k figure is probably underevaluated as the gap between covid-19 death and excess is the widest in all Euyrope..
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-englands-excess-deaths-among-the-highest-in-europe-11977394

We don't know how many would have died without the lockdown.

If we claim that the lockdown is useless because if its efficiency.. Wouldn't that be paradoxical ?

Edited May 7, 2020 by Jim Profit

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15 minutes ago, El Nikko said:

By the way, probably a coincidence but I used to work with someone called Jim Profit in the North Sea, Aberdeen

Was he handsome and spiritual ? Yes and yes ? That can't be me then..

There is also a Jim Profit in the "Profit" TV show from the nineties..

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18 hours ago, Jim Profit said:

When you wear a mask you protect yourself and probably more the others .. The choice you make have consequences for the others.

For me that would be no much difference that allowing people to drive at the speed they want (no limit), or drink/drug and drive..

Sometime some coercition is welcome for the greater good. Making masks mandatory wouldn't be depriving people of their freedom.

What if it were an N95 mask? Have you worn one? There is a valve that pushes out all of my breath (and viruses) through the front. How will that protect you?

You are using the wrong analogy here. Do you put in a speed limit on a Formula 1 track so that you'd be safe if you choose to drive there? Or do you stay away if the situation puts you at risk?

Why are you demanding that everyone be quarantined, even if they are not at risk? So that you, who is at risk, doesn't have to be in full quarantine?

What is wrong with identifying those at risk and putting in measures to protect them? As well as giving them the responsibility to protect themselves? You know, a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer.

Your argument for authoritarianism is a false dilemma. There are infinite possibilities:

One could argue that your mind has been hacked by fanatics:

https://www.aier.org/article/how-fanatics-hack-our-minds-and-why-we-let-them/

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

https://babylonbee.com/news/doctor-arrested-after-prescribing-fresh-air-sunshine

Vitamin D does seem to be a critical part of this protocol:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf

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6 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

 

Amateurs...  You need the full course treatment.  Hookers and blow are at your own expense though.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1258229976849092608

 

One of the stranger phenomena. Homeless people seem to be at exceptionally low-risk to this virus.

408 homeless people in a shelter tested. 147 positive. That's a whopping 36%! But ... even with an average age over 50, not 1 had serious symptoms and only about 10% had extremely mild symptoms.

Is their relative immunity is due to very high Vitamin D levels, due to living outdoors? Who knows.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.12.20059618v1

 

[El Gato + 254]

 

The concept of freedom varies..

Here the majority view is that refusing to serve a someone for arbitrary reason is discrimination. And mustn't be tolerated.
There is no freedom of prejudice.

 

And that's the difference between and socialist leaning country and a Republic

Edited May 7, 2020 by El Gato
Didn't quote correctly

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18 hours ago, Jim Profit said:

Yeah like mandatory speed limits and speed tickets are incompatible with the puiblic's greater good.

Driving is not a human right, it a privelige

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43 minutes ago, TooSteep said:

One of the stranger phenomena. Homeless people seem to be at exceptionally low-risk to this virus.

408 homeless people in a shelter tested. 147 positive. That's a whopping 36%! But ... even with an average age over 50, not 1 had serious symptoms and only about 10% had extremely mild symptoms.

Is their relative immunity is due to very high Vitamin D levels, due to living outdoors? Who knows.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.12.20059618v1

 

It is due the virus (actually all virus') inability to survive outdoors and in the sunlight

[El Gato + 254]

Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

 

It's because they were locked up inside with the virus in a temperature controlled environment.