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June 7th, Donald gifted Putin with a US troop reduction in Europe. 

"President Trump has directed the Pentagon to remove thousands of American troops from Germany by September, a move that would dramatically reshape the U.S. military posture in Europe and reflects growing tensions between Washington and Berlin over military spending and other security issues, U.S. government officials said Friday."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-directs-u-s-troop-reduction-in-germany-11591375651

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31 minutes ago, BradleyPNW said:

June 7th, Donald gifted Putin with a US troop reduction in Europe. 

"President Trump has directed the Pentagon to remove thousands of American troops from Germany by September, a move that would dramatically reshape the U.S. military posture in Europe and reflects growing tensions between Washington and Berlin over military spending and other security issues, U.S. government officials said Friday."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-directs-u-s-troop-reduction-in-germany-11591375651

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/26/report-russia-offered-bounties-for-taliban-militants-to-kill-us-soldiers-and-other-allies/#38a834e97330

You seem to missed the word OFFERED....what a punk..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/26/report-russia-offered-bounties-for-taliban-militants-to-kill-us-soldiers-and-other-allies/#38a834e97330

Have a read: https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-us-forces-killed-more-than-200-russian-fighters-in-syria-attack

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Since Putin, and the Russian foreign Ministry, swear up and down most solemnly that there are no Russians fighting inside Ukraine, in the Donbass and Crimea, it is presumably perfectly reasonable for the Ukraine government to invite Western armies, such as via NATO, to go into the Donbas and kill every single one of those mercenary bandits that are sitting there and looting the place.  Further, since there is no Russian military equipment in the Donbass, it is perfectly reasonable for the Ukraine government to have its allies go in there and destroy every single rocket launcher, every tank, every armored car, whatever is to be found, and turn it all into scrap metal.  The Russians, for sure, would not complain, as after all, hey it is not their stuff and not their soldiers.  Right?

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43 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Since Putin, and the Russian foreign Ministry, swear up and down most solemnly that there are no Russians fighting inside Ukraine, in the Donbass and Crimea, it is presumably perfectly reasonable for the Ukraine government to invite Western armies, such as via NATO, to go into the Donbas and kill every single one of those mercenary bandits that are sitting there and looting the place.  Further, sine there is no Russian military equipment in the Donbass, it is perfectly reasonable for the Ukraine government to have its allies go in there and destroy every single rocket launcher, every tank, every armored car, whatever is to be found, and turn it all into scrap metal.  The Russians, for sure, would not complain, as after all, hey it is not their stuff and not their soldiers.  Right?

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Firstly source of this is “US Intelligence officials” which have been discredited during whole #Russiagate thing

Secondly this is reported by NYT which has also lost its credibility with string of crazy stories on #russia threat (eg Rus hacked US power grid)

Any other crediible sources?

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17 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

Firstly source of this is “US Intelligence officials” which have been discredited during whole #Russiagate thing

Secondly this is reported by NYT which has also lost its credibility with string of crazy stories on #russia threat (eg Rus hacked US power grid)

Any other crediible sources?

Russia has been cyber probing and planting malware in US infrastructure for years.
How is it ‘crazy’ that a nation state power would use it’s capabilities against it’s perceived enemies? 

If I was Putin or Xi, I would.

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14 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Although, I'm presuming you know what you're trying to say and that may be my mistake. 

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47 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

Firstly source of this is “US Intelligence officials” which have been discredited during whole #Russiagate thing

Secondly this is reported by NYT which has also lost its credibility with string of crazy stories on #russia threat (eg Rus hacked US power grid)

Any other crediible sources?

Discredited in the eyes of Trump cultists who are a shrinking portion of the US electorate. No, I do not have any sources that Trump cultists would find credible because I don't read cult blogs. 

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3 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

Discredited in the eyes of Trump cultists who are a shrinking portion of the US electorate. No, I do not have any sources that Trump cultists would find credible because I don't read cult blogs. 

 

One of the well-known liberal Russian journalists called Kashin said something like this - we once envied you the independence of the Western press. And we laughed when pro-Kremlin journalists argued that in the West they do nothing else than we propagandists  but proclaim the propaganda of the liberals and Wall Street.

But after 5 years and what was written at the time in the New York Times and Washington Post about Trump and Russia, no one in liberal Russia laughs anymore because it turned out that cynical Russian propagandists were right.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/11/13/the-day-russians-stopped-believing-the-western-media

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/11/15/independent-journalists-in-russia-will-have-to-live-without-their-western-role-models-oped-a59579

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16 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

 

One of the well-known liberal Russian journalists called Kashin said something like this - we once envied you the independence of the Western press. And we laughed when pro-Kremlin journalists argued that in the West they do nothing else than we propagandists  but proclaim the propaganda of the liberals and Wall Street.

But after 5 years and what was written at the time in the New York Times and Washington Post about Trump and Russia, no one in liberal Russia laughs anymore because it turned out that cynical Russian propagandists were right.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/11/13/the-day-russians-stopped-believing-the-western-media

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/11/15/independent-journalists-in-russia-will-have-to-live-without-their-western-role-models-oped-a59579

 

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On 6/27/2020 at 10:34 AM, Tomasz said:

But after 5 years and what was written at the time in the New York Times and Washington Post about Trump and Russia, no one in liberal Russia laughs anymore because it turned out that cynical Russian propagandists were right

According to Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda is correct!

In other news, water is wet.

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4 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

According to Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda is correct!

In other news, water is wet.

Umm no, that wasn't what he said. 

In practice, the so called free press MSM is anything but, bought and paid for by corporate interests and captured by ideology to endorse a specific world view, which is the antipathy of freedom.

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"the so called free press MSM is anything but, bought and paid for by corporate interests"

Donald mind-crimed his cult into believing he is the way the truth and the life. 

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On 6/29/2020 at 6:27 AM, Ward Smith said:

In practice, the so called free press MSM is anything but, bought and paid for by corporate interests and captured by ideology to endorse a specific world view, which is the antipathy of freedom.

Agree about the media ecosystem in the US. When "news" became about profit instead of a public good, everything went off the rails. We're in the new age of yellow journalism.

I don't see how that effects Russia's efforts to 'shape' our politics. The whole 'did Trump collude' narrative misses the mark IMO. Russia and China both view the US as the enemy, of course they will meddle anyway they can in our political process, assuming anything else is naive.

When Yeltsin was up for re-election in the mid 90's American political advisers basically took over his campaign when it looked like the big bad communists might come back in power by winning the vote. America's 'help' produced years of a alcoholic running Russia into the ground. I'd want a bit of payback if I was in the Kremlin.

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48 minutes ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Agree about the media ecosystem in the US. When "news" became about profit instead of a public good, everything went off the rails. We're in the new age of yellow journalism.

I don't see how that effects Russia's efforts to 'shape' our politics. The whole 'did Trump collude' narrative misses the mark IMO. Russia and China both view the US as the enemy, of course they will meddle anyway they can in our political process, assuming anything else is naive.

When Yeltsin was up for re-election in the mid 90's American political advisers basically took over his campaign when it looked like the big bad communists might come back in power by winning the vote. America's 'help' produced years of a alcoholic running Russia into the ground. I'd want a bit of payback if I was in the Kremlin.

The whole collusion narrative was stillborn but that didn't stop the useful idiots from painting the picture, until they couldn't. It's interesting how it went from the lead every hour to nonexistent and no one seems to care. If Russia changed the election with a few thousand dollars of targeted advertising while Hillary and friends blew through $2 billion then we'd better invite them in to help us with our myriad problems, they must be geniuses. 

China on the other hand has thrown at least a billion into this campaign, all anti Trump messaging. No crying foul from the MSM collecting those bucks, they are a business after all. 

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20 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

The whole collusion narrative was stillborn but that didn't stop the useful idiots from painting the picture, until they couldn't. It's interesting how it went from the lead every hour to nonexistent and no one seems to care. If Russia changed the election with a few thousand dollars of targeted advertising while Hillary and friends blew through $2 billion then we'd better invite them in to help us with our myriad problems, they must be geniuses. 

China on the other hand has thrown at least a billion into this campaign, all anti Trump messaging. No crying foul from the MSM collecting those bucks, they are a business after all. 

Russian collusion has different versions in American political culture. One version is that Russia rigged the US election to install Trump, this is the version you understand. Another version is that Donald encouraged Russia to actively interfere in the US election but Donald won the electoral college fair and square:

1) Donald invited help from Putin.
2) Donald fully cooperated with Putin's election interference.
3) Donald legitimately won the electoral college -- though he lost the popular vote.
4) Despite the fact Putin's interference didn't actually help Trump win, Donald is deeply submissive to Vladimir Putin. 

Do Americans care about Donald's collusion with Vladimir Putin? Yes. You will see proof in the polls taken after the Russian Bounty story broke, reflected around mid-July. 

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1 hour ago, BradleyPNW said:

Russian collusion has different versions in American political culture. One version is that Russia rigged the US election to install Trump, this is the version you understand. Another version is that Donald encouraged Russia to actively interfere in the US election but Donald won the electoral college fair and square:

1) Donald invited help from Putin.
2) Donald fully cooperated with Putin's election interference.
3) Donald legitimately won the electoral college -- though he lost the popular vote.
4) Despite the fact Putin's interference didn't actually help Trump win, Donald is deeply submissive to Vladimir Putin. 

Do Americans care about Donald's collusion with Vladimir Putin? Yes. You will see proof in the polls taken after the Russian Bounty story broke, reflected around mid-July. 

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So Trump makes a joke in front of the whole world pointing out that Hillary was illegally. Using a dangerous personal email server to conduct State Department business (so she could personally profit, hence the $2 billion raised for her "foundation" from governments wanting access). But that's not all, she then illegally deletes 33,000 emails under subpoena. The joke? Trump asks if the Russians can turn over those emails, the subtext obviously being that her shoddy security practices made those emails highly vulnerable to be hacked. That was all Trump needed to do, to cast doubt in the minds of those few Americans not fully indoctrinated and programmed by the MSM to actually think for themselves. 

She loses, she blames the RUSSIANS (actually she blamed everyone but the butch looking at her in the mirror) and her minions in the MSM dutifully report fiction as gospel. Forget what the poll's said, by the time of the "insurance policy" they knew well and good she was going to lose. They tried lying to the public but the public ignored them. The public went ahead and voted for Trump, in the states he concentrated on, which he won. The great blue wall was breached. 

But you never learn do you? Now you push yet another fake narrative? Are you that stupid or that mendacious that you think people reading your words are? Asking for a friend

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4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

So Trump makes a joke in front of the whole world pointing out that Hillary was illegally. Using a dangerous personal email server to conduct State Department business (so she could personally profit, hence the $2 billion raised for her "foundation" from governments wanting access). But that's not all, she then illegally deletes 33,000 emails under subpoena. The joke? Trump asks if the Russians can turn over those emails, the subtext obviously being that her shoddy security practices made those emails highly vulnerable to be hacked. That was all Trump needed to do, to cast doubt in the minds of those few Americans not fully indoctrinated and programmed by the MSM to actually think for themselves. 

She loses, she blames the RUSSIANS (actually she blamed everyone but the butch looking at her in the mirror) and her minions in the MSM dutifully report fiction as gospel. Forget what the poll's said, by the time of the "insurance policy" they knew well and good she was going to lose. They tried lying to the public but the public ignored them. The public went ahead and voted for Trump, in the states he concentrated on, which he won. The great blue wall was breached. 

But you never learn do you? Now you push yet another fake narrative? Are you that stupid or that mendacious that you think people reading your words are? Asking for a friend


Robert Muller's Special Counsel Office investigated 2016 Russian election interference. It resulted in indictments of individuals associated with the 2016 Trump campaign and Russian GRU. https://www.justice.gov/sco

Muller's SCO released a detailed report of 2016 Russian election interference and associated crimes. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Rod Rosenstein, Acting Attorney General, initiated the investigation not Hillary Clinton. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
 

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2 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:


Robert Muller's Special Counsel Office investigated 2016 Russian election interference. It resulted in indictments of individuals associated with the 2016 Trump campaign and Russian GRU. https://www.justice.gov/sco

Muller's SCO released a detailed report of 2016 Russian election interference and associated crimes. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Rod Rosenstein, Acting Attorney General, initiated the investigation not Hillary Clinton. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
 

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Mueller's investigation resulted in indictments of individuals who knew Trump, that's true but the indictments had nothing to do with the RUSSIANS

The "detailed" report was such a joke that when Mueller was invited to Congress to talk about it, he pretended he'd never read it, let alone written it. Or maybe pretended isn't the right term, he might have suddenly developed dementia, or simply didn't want to perjure himself. 

I never said HILLARY initiated the investigation. Reading comprehension issues? English not your first language? Purposely obtuse or just naturally so? 

 

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42 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Mueller's investigation resulted in indictments of individuals who knew Trump, that's true but the indictments had nothing to do with the RUSSIANS

The "detailed" report was such a joke that when Mueller was invited to Congress to talk about it, he pretended he'd never read it, let alone written it. Or maybe pretended isn't the right term, he might have suddenly developed dementia, or simply didn't want to perjure himself. 

I never said HILLARY initiated the investigation. Reading comprehension issues? English not your first language? Purposely obtuse or just naturally so? 

 

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Hey Mr Shortattentionspan, you injected Hillary into the mix as the source of what you called the Russian collusion narrative. I had to correct your mistaken understanding and shepherd you to the DOJ and SCO. 

The Trump campaign associate indictments were related to the Russian election interference investigation. They did dumb things like lie to investigators during the investigation. Because they're criminals trying to conceal their behavior. The SCO started searching the cabinets in the Trump campaign and cockroaches scurried out. 

Your personal perception of Muller doesn't have any bearing on the contents of the SCO report, just as it has no bearing on the contents of the ODNI report on Russian election interference. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Basically, when you believe 2016 Russian election interference is a hoax derived from a candidate looking to place blame it makes you look like a naive little girl. 

 

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35 minutes ago, BradleyPNW said:

Hey Mr Shortattentionspan, you injected Hillary into the mix as the source of what you called the Russian collusion narrative. I had to correct your mistaken understanding and shepherd you to the DOJ and SCO. 

The Trump campaign associate indictments were related to the Russian election interference investigation. They did dumb things like lie to investigators during the investigation. Because they're criminals trying to conceal their behavior. The SCO started searching the cabinets in the Trump campaign and cockroaches scurried out. 

Your personal perception of Muller doesn't have any bearing on the contents of the SCO report, just as it has no bearing on the contents of the ODNI report on Russian election interference. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Basically, when you believe 2016 Russian election interference is a hoax derived from a candidate looking to place blame it makes you look like a naive little girl. 

 

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Why keep embarrassing yourself like this? 

I never said what you claim I did. My quote is right there for everyone to read. That you're too far gone to think isn't a good look. Hillary blames does not equate to Hillary launched an investigation. Only a moron, or you apparently could come to that conclusion. 

Here's something for your attention span just as short as your miniscule pecker. Happened one year ago almost and that article is in a liberal website. If I'd posted from the conservative sites you wouldn't click on it. But I know you can't resist taking a peek at that little thing. You lose, again

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