The Incredible Shrinking Republican Party

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27 minutes ago, BradleyPNW said:

Non-citizens accounted for 24 percent of all federal drug arrests" => 76% must be citizens.

No, you’re failing to recognize that they make up 7% of the population. A fraction of the 7% making up 24% of drug arrests. That’s a problem. 

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27 minutes ago, BradleyPNW said:

"Non-citizens accounted for 24 percent of all federal drug arrests" => 76% must be citizens.
"25 percent of all federal property arrests" => 75% must be citizens.
"28 percent of all federal fraud arrests" => 72% must be citizens. 

Your Heritage article doesn't look like it conflicts with the CATO research that concludes illegals are more law abiding that US native-born citizens. https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

CATO does mention something your Heritage guy overlooked:
 

Whoops, that looks like a major error on the part of Hans A. von Spakovsky. 

Wait, what? I can't believe this, it turns out illegals REDUCE drug related crime rates. How did Hans overlook the research that was available to him at the time he wrote his article? Sloppy Hans might not be a very good source of information. 

Convictions aren't the only metric we should be focused on. The author of the CATO study could not have been more clear that his data was flawed, but everyone knows if you torture data enough you can get it to "confess" to anything. He admitted that with so many states flouting federal law and acting as "sanctuary" it's impossible to get legitimate data. 

Ask the family of Katie Stiley if they're happy the illegal who murdered their daughter in cold blood was declared innocent, to the cheers of the courtroom and the judge high fiving the prosecutor, who clearly mailed in his "prosecution". Sure glad the metric is conviction rather than arrest, that murder just didn't happen, statistically.

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39 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Not really.  See, US agriculture and the meatpacking, dairy, and orchard industries are totally dependent on ag labor from Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua.  And a big chunk of that ag labor is undocumented.  Now everyone has evolved to accommodate that arrangement - first the farmers, who literally cannot run their operations without that undoc labor, and the ICE people, who historically have done nothing.  So those ag workers would flow back and forth across the Border and nobody much cared or worried about it, which in turn sowed the seeds of the present discontent.  When the Feds started clamping down, then the unanticipated response was that the ag workers brought over their entire families and did not risk going back and forth as they rather casually did in the old days.  So then what happens is that you have this demand on the school systems for all those kids, and you have kids being born in Mexico and brought here at age 4 and then becoming adults in the USA all without any papers, the "Dreamers," and even going into the military and then being deported!  So the system is now out of whack. 

As a philosophical point, it is unfair and unworthy of the USA to go charge someone for a service that is never going to be granted.  That is theft, and it is not who we are as a nation. 

The better system is to issue six-month permits for ag workers, and year permits for dairy workers, and effectively document the undocumented.  The US ag system cannot operate without them, everybody knows it, so the whole ICE enforcement rigamarole is just a charade.  Why should the US have its policies founded on charades?  That is unworthy of the nation. 

Gee, if only there was a way to come into this country like you and my wife did, perfectly legally so the documentation was automatic. Oh wait, there is a way, so we as a country have to bend ourselves into pretzels to accommodate those who refuse to play by the rules? 

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On 7/17/2020 at 10:13 PM, Yoshiro Kamamura said:

It's similar to communist parties in central and eastern Europe after the Iron Curtain fell - those parties often turned to decimating their own states to stay in power, persecuting their opponents, destroying their lives and careers - the same thing Trump does to his opponents too. Plus his stubborn refusal to respect facts and science killed more Americans than the first World War. So after the props that kept them in power fell, nobody wanted to have anything with them anymore, save a fraction of brainwashed cult-like followers. 

It's the other way around - it's fascinating that after all the crimes and atrocities Trump as GOP president committed, he still has so much support in a (nominally) open and democratic country. 

This is a false claim as it is the Marxist and power patronage cores of the Democratic party who have been doing so systematically and have accelerated that activity during the pandemic to sabotage the economies of their core political territory while blaming Trump for their own actions of failure because  he didn't do the governor's/state gov's  job.

The "science" you are referring to are the 10-20% of the medical community that is the Marxist's 5th column of public health "experts" who say what is politically convenient and are devoid of scientific cover for their advice, down to having to pull their supporting literature from the journals as they prove wrong, baseless, or outright frauds.

The epidemiologists in the public health sphere are proving themselves to be an entirely useless group of for hire hacks and Marxist vandals. Ignoring them is the scientific thing to do.Their political appointment to the status of "expert" does not make them so. They are not practicing scientists or medical doctors but political tools, as are most "experts" grown in the light of political funding. Their mission is to provide justification for pre existing policy political payloads rather than act in finding facts and determining possible policy directions. The entirety of governance by "experts" is a Kabuki show that is clear once you lose your suspension of disbelief. You are clearly incapable of doing it.

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Gee, if only there was a way to come into this country like you and my wife did, perfectly legally so the documentation was automatic. Oh wait, there is a way, so we as a country have to bend ourselves into pretzels to accommodate those who refuse to play by the rules? 

The system is riddled with quotas and documentation burdens that make it impossible for subsistence level workers to ever comply with. Abandoning the immigration control system entirely and starting over is the thing to do. Immigration "law" is a total incomprehensible disaster.

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On 7/18/2020 at 5:24 PM, UNC12345 said:

Are people ok with this?

Have been for much of 3 decades.And that was no different from the Democrat control of 1932-1968, that was much more deeply institutionally embedded into education, labor, licensing, academia (still is), regulatory apparatus. Much of the Democratic takeover by FDR has remained in place and even expanded.

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On 7/17/2020 at 4:37 PM, BradleyPNW said:

Americans favor Democrats to Republicans by double digits. Republicans suffered over a 10% decrease falling from 44% to 39% just since May. 

Trump's Republican Party = Fail. 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/315734/party-preferences-swung-sharply-toward-democrats.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0ISbC0-XDIvdtgDS87W9NWfuf7R-Z6sCDRHlHXszRSGfKcnIQtMeyv92E

I think you will find that the polls are strongly tilted to urban centers that have been cleaned out of high and middle income Republicans who are dispersing out of the urban cores and Dem states. Though the stats you quote are also reflected in the swing states that make the elections, it is not severe there as it is in the national statistics. The only reason the national statistics matter is that the weights of congressional and electoral college have not yet shifted "blue" states' total representation down by 10% as they would at the next census and move the Red states up in equivalent numbers.

Part of the reason for the rabid response on the Left and total attack atmosphere is that had the elections been conducted post a census, Dems could only win the presidency in a fluke and would likely lose the House more often than not. On top of that they would lose the little left over of their ability to obtain a liberal majority in supreme court decisions, which is already nominally 5:4 conservative.

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1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

Have been for much of 3 decades.And that was no different from the Democrat control of 1932-1968, that was much more deeply institutionally embedded into education, labor, licensing, academia (still is), regulatory apparatus. Much of the Democratic takeover by FDR has remained in place and even expanded.

This, a thousand times this. The Deep State began with Franklin Roosevelt and his 4 terms, a disastrous economy where they shored up their positions and destroyed their opponents, economically and politically.  I spoke with a 92 year old democrat, he said the Depression was no big deal. Turns out his father had a patronage job, never was at risk of missing a paycheck and took advantage of the turmoil to acquire properties on the cheap, from those poor schmucks who didn't toe the party line and thought this was a free country. 

Roosevelt passed over 120 generals to choose Eisenhower. First he liked the surname, nothing like defeating the Germans with a German. Second, he erroneously believed Eisenhower was a democrat. When Eisenhower got elected and tried to clean up that swamp, it was already too late. Military industrial complex only scratched the surface. Every single institution from dog catcher to governor was packed with democrats, postal carriers might as well have carried DNC identification cards. The sheer mass of the patronage was astounding. Then Kennedy sealed the deal by passing the Civil Service act so none of them could be fired. And like universities today, there's no way in hell they they'll hire anyone with a touch of Red in their bloodstreams. Hence we have the solid blue wall of incompetent bunglecrats, every one of whom is a true blue democrat. 

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On 7/17/2020 at 4:37 PM, BradleyPNW said:

 

 . . . .  and the incredible surrender of the Democratic Party.

My party has promised  every disparate group the world for their vote. A $2 trillion dollar green deal,, transform the country to Socialism for the Bernie bros / Antifa, open borders for the immigrants, no jails, prisons or convictions for the criminals, free college to the young voters, no accountability or indictments for the Party elite.

Like Orwell's "Animal Farm"  where       "All animals are equal but Pigs are more equal"

Biden  knows it all will not pass . . . empty promises.  aka lies.

The establishment of our party thinks they will maintain control gain and keep control by placating all the angry factions. They are wrong.  They will have control for a year or so, but they will turn on Pelosi, Schumer, etc

In the words from Mary Shelly's novel, Dr Frankenstein , "you have created a monster, it will destroy you".

AOC is targeting liberal Democrats in primaries by supporting Social Democrats.  She is successful. 

PREDICTION: AOC will run against Senator Schumer  2022 primary and win. 

LOOK FORWARD TO SENATOR AOC FROM THE GREAT STATE OF N.Y. IN 2022.

Beginning of the end of the Republic. 

PS : Today changed my voter registration from Democrat to Unaffiliated (also referred to as Independent)

Edited July 23, 2020 by BLA

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Oh look he mentioned prison camps like I said he would. 

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8 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

Are they even paying into the system though? How can they if they’re not registered?

Good point...🤔

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On 7/17/2020 at 3:44 PM, KeyboardWarrior said:

Ah yes, just like all those polls back in 2016 that demonstrated Trump's clear inability to win. 

Yes things that matter comes to mind.

[Radha + 262]

Has anyone seen any Biden signs or Biden hats? How could anyone still vote Democrat after they have been supporting all these violent crimes? They are indeed the party that is hellbent to destroy the country. They will only self-destruct.

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11 minutes ago, Radha said:

Has anyone seen any Biden signs or Biden hats? How could anyone still vote Democrat after they have been supporting all these violent crimes? They are indeed the party that is hellbent to destroy the country. They will only self-destruct.

"Has anyone seen any Biden signs or Biden hats?"  Has anyone seen Biden?  LOL!

Edited July 21, 2020 by Dan Warnick
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[Tomasz + 1,608]

Personally, I am not surprised by it.

Just as I generally support Trump not starting any war, I wonder if the US has really compromised itself more over Hurricane Katrina and New Orlean case or the coronavirus.

Perhaps Trump's supporters are not aware of the light in which the past six months has been putting the US, but there are more and more voices around the world that we are witnessing the end of US domination, the US's desperate fight for hegemony by imposing sanctions on half the world, the country's enormous internal problems and the birth the new hegemon China.

 

A lot of people are just shocked at what is happening in the USA. As I read, the state of Florida has 10,000 new infections a day with about 20 million people. So such a Poland would meet the norm for just 2 days.

The US is of course testing more, but the scale of the pandemic and its denial is shocking

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On 7/19/2020 at 6:38 PM, Ward Smith said:

Roosevelt passed over 120 generals to choose Eisenhower. 

I suspect Marshall, general of the generals, had the largest say.

As a warrior I have no idea if Marshall was worth a cold plate of beans, but as a strategic architect of policy and understanding who he top people were he had few peers.  

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

Here's how Demoncrats fire people who don't toe the line. Public school teacher stating a simple fact, Trump is the President. Fireable offense? Only in demoncrat land. So now ask yourself when someone calls you on your phone and maybe only pretends to be a pollster, would you be stupid enough to tell them what you really believe? In this toxic environment? 

Is the Republican Party really shrinking, or is the silent majority keeping silent for their own good? Because Demoncrats put the devil in politics. 

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5 hours ago, Tomasz said:

Personally, I am not surprised by it.

Just as I generally support Trump not starting any war, I wonder if the US has really compromised itself more over Hurricane Katrina and New Orlean case or the coronavirus.

Perhaps Trump's supporters are not aware of the light in which the past six months has been putting the US, but there are more and more voices around the world that we are witnessing the end of US domination, the US's desperate fight for hegemony by imposing sanctions on half the world, the country's enormous internal problems and the birth the new hegemon China.

 

A lot of people are just shocked at what is happening in the USA. As I read, the state of Florida has 10,000 new infections a day with about 20 million people. So such a Poland would meet the norm for just 2 days.

The US is of course testing more, but the scale of the pandemic and its denial is shocking

I do not claim to be an expert on world affairs but I can say with certainty that the world’s benchmark currency still is, at the moment, the US dollar. The US Military is second to none, with help from a 785 billion dollar budget(thanks to Trump), and a world economy pretty much relying on US consumption. So personally I don’t see us slipping out of the number one spot for awhile.
 That said, and as we all are aware, over time anything can happen, especially if one becomes complacent with its stand to both foreign and domestic enemies. 
 Your point about Trump not starting a war is spot on and of course never mentioned by his enemies. I’m reminded that not so long ago we were being assured by the “experts” that a Trump presidency would be the end of the human race due to his instability and reckless military ambitions. So much for that bit of fear mongering.

As far as the virus numbers are concerned I’m of the opinion that the mortality rate is the number we should be focusing on, not the infection rate. The mortality rate is steadily declining compared to the climbing infection rates and infanticimile compared to the US and worlds population.

 I personally suspect that these rates,even as mathematically insignificant as they really are, are being manipulated by those in power who lust after more control of our populations, there are many who want to see President Trump gone by any means necessary.  Including tanking the worlds economy, closing schools indefinitely, bankrupting millions of hard working employees and the businesses that they work for, and in so doing inflicting un-told and yet to be calculated emotional trauma on this and future generations.

 This is criminal and diabolical but unfortunately nothing new. This is the world as it always has been, and the world that we now inhabit.

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8 hours ago, Tomasz said:

Personally, I am not surprised by it.

Just as I generally support Trump not starting any war, I wonder if the US has really compromised itself more over Hurricane Katrina and New Orlean case or the coronavirus.

Perhaps Trump's supporters are not aware of the light in which the past six months has been putting the US, but there are more and more voices around the world that we are witnessing the end of US domination, the US's desperate fight for hegemony by imposing sanctions on half the world, the country's enormous internal problems and the birth the new hegemon China.

 

A lot of people are just shocked at what is happening in the USA. As I read, the state of Florida has 10,000 new infections a day with about 20 million people. So such a Poland would meet the norm for just 2 days.

The US is of course testing more, but the scale of the pandemic and its denial is shocking

Trump not starting any war pure luck, not a plan or (nature forbid) "a strategy", and it was not for the lack of trying. Remember him ordering a missile attack on that Russian base? That could very well start a World War 3. If it did, what would you say? Ah, probably nothing, being present in the form of fine radioactive dust dispersed in the upper layers of the atmosphere. Or stabbing his European allies in the back with the Iran treaty - well, that actually destabilized the whole reason, and led to total loss of the US influence in the region, but it could very well start a global conflict too. 

It's like saying "I generally support Trump because he never used magic to do evil".  Hardly an "achievement", eh?

The republican elites around Trump seem to be all criminally connected, and now Barr plays a risky game by authorizing the Portland beatings of civilians. 

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Yoshiro Kamamura

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On 7/18/2020 at 3:29 PM, Jan van Eck said:

It makes no difference if the Republican Party now attracts less voters.  The various voting districts  (House Districts) have been gerrymandered, so that even if the total Republican vote is minimal, the Party will remain in control, and especially of the Electoral College vote.  Because the Democrats cannot develop new thinking and are mired with their old elitist group, it will remain on the outside, looking in. 

The Republicans could drop to a popularity of 35% and still maintain the Presidency. In perpetuity. 

I hope you are right but most of the Republicans in the Senate are RINOS, so nothing much to look forward to from them. The establishment is safe and will be allowed to continue its quest to turn us all into hopeless serfs depending on the federal government to print money while we descend into Venezuelan level hell. 

The RINO Guide 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zESbH6vIA2Vqt4EEP9OuIp65h7nNItneYtGx_O14USc/edit

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On 7/19/2020 at 4:53 PM, 0R0 said:

The system is riddled with quotas and documentation burdens that make it impossible for subsistence level workers to ever comply with. Abandoning the immigration control system entirely and starting over is the thing to do. Immigration "law" is a total incomprehensible disaster.

We need merit immigration plus a bracero type program for agricultural visas. We should select the best fruit for citizenship. We should not accept just anyone as a citizen.

Immigrants today, do not come here with five dollars and have family and friends help them survive. All citizens pay the price, which is paid with funny money already. 

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On 7/19/2020 at 5:16 PM, 0R0 said:

I think you will find that the polls are strongly tilted to urban centers that have been cleaned out of high and middle income Republicans who are dispersing out of the urban cores and Dem states. Though the stats you quote are also reflected in the swing states that make the elections, it is not severe there as it is in the national statistics. The only reason the national statistics matter is that the weights of congressional and electoral college have not yet shifted "blue" states' total representation down by 10% as they would at the next census and move the Red states up in equivalent numbers.

Part of the reason for the rabid response on the Left and total attack atmosphere is that had the elections been conducted post a census, Dems could only win the presidency in a fluke and would likely lose the House more often than not. On top of that they would lose the little left over of their ability to obtain a liberal majority in supreme court decisions, which is already nominally 5:4 conservative.

My hope lies in the possibility that wise Democrats will wake up and vote for the Republicans before it is too late to save America. The far left is  providing a major wake up call with multiple alarms.   

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On 7/19/2020 at 6:38 PM, Ward Smith said:

This, a thousand times this. The Deep State began with Franklin Roosevelt and his 4 terms, a disastrous economy where they shored up their positions and destroyed their opponents, economically and politically.  I spoke with a 92 year old democrat, he said the Depression was no big deal. Turns out his father had a patronage job, never was at risk of missing a paycheck and took advantage of the turmoil to acquire properties on the cheap, from those poor schmucks who didn't toe the party line and thought this was a free country. 

Roosevelt passed over 120 generals to choose Eisenhower. First he liked the surname, nothing like defeating the Germans with a German. Second, he erroneously believed Eisenhower was a democrat. When Eisenhower got elected and tried to clean up that swamp, it was already too late. Military industrial complex only scratched the surface. Every single institution from dog catcher to governor was packed with democrats, postal carriers might as well have carried DNC identification cards. The sheer mass of the patronage was astounding. Then Kennedy sealed the deal by passing the Civil Service act so none of them could be fired. And like universities today, there's no way in hell they they'll hire anyone with a touch of Red in their bloodstreams. Hence we have the solid blue wall of incompetent bunglecrats, every one of whom is a true blue democrat. 

Thanks Ward, I am never enough to have had direct access to anyone who was wise enough to relay that information to me. My mother was a moderate Republican, my stepfather was a communist who was very smart but not highly educated. He taught me a lot of good information but I knew where he was coming from. He let things slip once in awhile. I got woke before it was "a thing" by the Christian Anticommunist Crusade on television and then found the Dan Smoot, Barry Goldwater etc. Barry spoke the Truth, but the mainstream media was all there was in those days. My army captain told us to vote for Johnson or we would all go to Nam. Too bad we got rid of McCarthy. Our boys went to Nam but I went home from Germany. My Captain told me I would be drafted anyway and should reup. Goldwater was an Air Force Reserve General and would have just bombed and called it a war IMHO.

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On 7/19/2020 at 9:33 PM, Douglas Buckland said:

Good point...🤔

Newsom wants non citizens to be able to run for Governor. 

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On 7/21/2020 at 6:19 AM, Radha said:

Has anyone seen any Biden signs or Biden hats? How could anyone still vote Democrat after they have been supporting all these violent crimes? They are indeed the party that is hellbent to destroy the country. They will only self-destruct.

I think you are forgetting the indoctrinated youth of today. Liberal and moderate voters are responsible for allowing public education to become ineffective, expensive, indoctrination, wealthy, a political force which has busted city and state budgets, etc ad nauseum. 

See Education Problems

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PjW6KJmKDEqqrTVZyGwWK36YTvr46Axo9WDkY90WtU4/edit

See Free Education

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nkAnzn9R7NH0LqihEeeq4be4ckBgk70YkGKbHsrnbTU/edit