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Looking at where the US is now after 4 years of Trump, and with a Trump win seeming more and more likely, what will the country look like after 2024 (assuming he does win)?  The country seems so incredibly polarized, like I've never seen in my lifetime, and I wonder what will improve or change, or will it get worse?

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1 hour ago, UNC12345 said:

Question....

Looking at where the US is now after 4 years of Trump, and with a Trump win seeming more and more likely, what will the country look like after 2024 (assuming he does win)?  The country seems so incredibly polarized, like I've never seen in my lifetime, and I wonder what will improve or change, or will it get worse?

Interesting commentary,actually follows an asummuptive closing statement. A very serious question are you following a canned narrative or just talking smack.

You should give more thought  to leading with your chin...The US in quite good shape actually just a full blown food fight so to speak. 

History likes repeating itself, only this time there will be quite a final show. Grab some popcorn it will be YUGE.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Interesting commentary,actually follows an asummuptive closing statement. A very serious question are you following a canned narrative or just talking smack.

You should give more thought  to leading with your chin...The US in quite good shape actually just a full blown food fight so to speak. 

History likes repeating itself, only this time there will be quite a final show. Grab some popcorn it will be YUGE.

 

 

Depends on the age of the person(s) saying they have never seen the country so divided, doesn't it?  In my experience (56 years), the country has been divided by political party affiliation for many years.  Having said that, in years past, there wasn't one side trying to force feed their ideology and radical ideas down the throat, and out of the wallet, of their political opposites.

It is one of the wonders of parenthood, watching your own offspring think their "new" ideas are actually new.  When you show them how their "new" ideas are old knowledge, it is actually somewhat enjoyable to see their jaws drops and their eyes skew off to the side as realization dawns on them.  One of the perks of being a parent, and also something that doesn't always occur when there is no solid father or father figure in a young person's life.

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13 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

You should give more thought  to leading with your chin.

Nah, I'm well aware of what I'm in for on this site.

13 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The US in quite good shape actually just a full blown food fight

Given the incredible amounts of unemployment, the almost depression-like economic conditions, the riots and happenings in several major cities and the racial unrest that seems to exist widely, I truly don't see how you can make that statement.  YOU might be in good shape, many are not.  

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17 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

Question....

Looking at where the US is now after 4 years of Trump, and with a Trump win seeming more and more likely, what will the country look like after 2024 (assuming he does win)?  The country seems so incredibly polarized, like I've never seen in my lifetime, and I wonder what will improve or change, or will it get worse?

Unfortunately, things are likely to get much worse - and that is likely to be the case whomever prevails in the upcoming Presidential election.

First off, there is no assurance that Mr. Trump will prevail, either in the total public vote or in the Electoral College  (which in the US system is the determinant).  As I have pointed out previously in another thread, the likely votes in the Electoral Collge just do not add up to a Republican (Trump) victory.  In the "old days," the individual States sent Delegates to the Electoral College Convention and at that assembly, the competing candidates would hustle for votes.  Typically several rounds of voting took place, and ultimately someone out-hustled his competitors and was elected the President.  

That system has largely been abolished.  The Delegates are "delegates" in name only.  In reality they are simply stooges,  sent along by the State party machines and ordered to vote for their candidate.  To ensure compliance, any Delegate that "bolts" and actually votes for whomever he/she thinks is the better candidate, or plausibly for promises of special treatment if that candidate is elected (for example, the promise of a big military base set up in their District), is threatened with "arrest" and a criminal prosecution. So the Electoral College system has devolved into some caricature of the old Stalinist "Supreme Soviet," where you either applauded continuously for Stalin or were trucked off to the execution field, to take a bullet in the back of the head.  This does not bode well for democracy, or for the Republic, for that matter. 

In any event, Trump (and Biden) would need 270 votes;  at the very best, it looks like Trump "might" be able to corral 269. And I don't think he can take either Wisconsin or Ohio, which would lead to a major defeat.  If Trump corralled 269, he could in theory pick up that last vote in Maine or Nebraska, so it is possible in theory that he could prevail, but it is definitely an uphill slog. 

Meanwhile, let us remember that Mr. Trump's wife is not happy with being in the spotlight. the Presidency has driven a fissure into the marital relationship, and I remain surprised that Trump even stood for re-election. Over in the other camp, it is likely that Mr. Biden would be unable to complete even one term of office, so that leaves the voters with Miss Harris.  Little known to the public is that Miss Harris actually grew up in Montreal, and went to Westmount High School, a snooty and rich English-speaking exclave on the Island of Montreal.  She has largely inculcated Canadian political ideas.  So if Biden is elected, the country has plausibly a Canadian for its President, at least in thinking if not by birth. 

Either way, matters are going to get much, much worse for Mr. Average American.  If Mr. Biden prevails, as is plausible and in my view likely, then you can bet the leftists are going to re-link the USA with China, and continue down a path that has disastrous consequences for the Americans. The leftists simply do not want the Average Joe American to have an improvement in his life; those people are viewed as "the deplorables" and are expendable. And so the policies will continue, of identity politics and exploitation of the working classes. 

What the leftists overlook is that wrecking the working class (and the middle classes, by income) will result in massive social unrest.  Unfortunately for America, the leftists simply do not care; for them, all that matters is ideology.  And the puiblic knows this.  Last month (August) was the largest sales month ever for guns in Illinois. Ammunition cannot be kept in stock, and dealers are placing their customers on allocation.  New ammo shipments are cleaned out within 48 hours of arrivel in the gun stores.  What this tells you is that perfectly sensible people have concluded that unrest is coming soon, to a town near you, and the cops cannot protect you - so stock up.  I view that as a harbinger of big trouble ahead. 

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13 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Unfortunately, things are likely to get much worse - and that is likely to be the case whomever prevails in the upcoming Presidential election.

Right...Yes.  Things will definitely get worse.  The broad public have no idea of what is coming.

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3 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

Given the incredible amounts of unemployment, the almost depression-like economic conditions, the riots and happenings in several major cities and the racial unrest that seems to exist widely

I've seen your shtick here before so know full well even when you're pretending to be reasonable you've got an agenda to pursue. That air cleared, the quoted part is interesting. Save for the Covid circus, Trump has record employment numbers coming into this year, exactly the opposite of "depression-like" conditions. It's Trump's fault the Chinese unleashed a Frankenvirus on the planet and the planet overreacted? BTW all those states who shut down were run by Democrats! So Trump is responsible because? 

Let's watch you weasel word your way out of this. 

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Jan must be a CCP sock now.  He doesn't think trump will win, nor MAGA!

He also is on record saying covid is serious.

Listen to him.

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9 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

I've seen your shtick here before so know full well even when you're pretending to be reasonable you've got an agenda to pursue. That air cleared, the quoted part is interesting. Save for the Covid circus, Trump has record employment numbers coming into this year, exactly the opposite of "depression-like" conditions. It's Trump's fault the Chinese unleashed a Frankenvirus on the planet and the planet overreacted? BTW all those states who shut down were run by Democrats! So Trump is responsible because? 

Let's watch you weasel word your way out of this. 

Stop blaming China for everything and living in the past.  The whole world got hit with covid so stop feeling picked on.

The economy is more than unemployment numbers (which retirements and people abandoning the job search distorts).

The deficit to GDP ratio has been terrible under trump.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Jan must be a CCP sock now.  He doesn't think trump will win, nor MAGA!

He also is on record saying covid is serious.

Listen to him.

Mr. E, I am going to Object to your characterizations, whether or not you intended them as being scornful. 

I don't think that Mr. Trump will "win," and this is not some football game, this is serious business, the selection by the Voters of the country's future path in history,  not because of some failure of platform (and I choose not to go there), but because the deck is stacked against him.  Previous cycles of politicians have polluted and bastardized the reason and the Rules of the Electoral College Convention, so that it has become a circus. If the Convention were an honest contest, with opposing ideas fairly presented from the podium by contesting speakers, then it is more likely than not that Mr. Trump would prevail.  However, the system is rigged. the delegates are puppets, they simply mouth whtever their State instructions are, and you might as well not even have an electoral college. 

Picture, if you will, an open forum contest of competing ideas, between the Trump supporters and the Biden supporters.  Toss in some minority candidates to make it interesting.  Under those circumstances, Mr. Biden would be likely to fall flat. 

As to Covid-19, I conclude that it is a nasty disease.  It can attack lung tissue and necrotize it, a daunting prospect. It can debilitate, and kill, its hosts.  We have Covid thanks to the behaviour of the Han Chinese and their ideas of eating pangolins and playing with viral matter in warfare labs.  It is my view that the USA (and the rest of the civilized world) can and should disengage from China completely, including a travel ban.  The Chinese are not going to change; they will continue to infect the West with these diseases. 

Meanwhile, has the West over-reacted?   It looks that way.  Likely lots and lots of people are or have been infected and remain asymptomatic. Plus, you can have the disease and not be contagious. The whole "mask" thing is faintly ridiculous, an expression of politicians wanting to be seen "doing something."  A mask is good (for about 3 hours, then it gets saturated and is useless) for protecting others from you if you are infected and coughing or sneezing.  A mask does not protect you from someone else's infections. 

Is covid "serious"?  That depends.  It is serious for certain segments of society. It can kill, as do most diseases and pandemics.  But it tends to be concentrated in cities.  Rural areas might as well not bother with all the fuss, the disease simply does not get there.  If I personally got the disease, it would probably be fatal.  But I do not wear a mask, in that (1) a mask is useless, and (2) there is no disease in my rural area.  So let's not get hysterical about this Chinese plague, but work on the vaccine (assuming that one can be manufactured). 

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6 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Mr. E, I am going to Object to your characterizations, whether or not you intended them as being scornful.

 

But I do not wear a mask, in that (1) a mask is useless, and (2) there is no disease in my rural area.  So let's not get hysterical about this Chinese plague, but work on the vaccine (assuming that one can be manufactured). 

They were meant to be laudatory.  People here respect you, as do I, they won't listen to me but they do listen to you.

 

I don't wear a mask unless required by law (Edmonton has a mask law now for some public places, upside most everything is re-opened).  There is also very little covid where I live.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Either way, matters are going to get much, much worse for Mr. Average American.  If Mr. Biden prevails, as is plausible and in my view likely, then you can bet the leftists are going to re-link the USA with China, and continue down a path that has disastrous consequences for the Americans. The leftists simply do not want the Average Joe American to have an improvement in his life; those people are viewed as "the deplorables" and are expendable. And so the policies will continue, of identity politics and exploitation of the working classes. 

Good points all, Jan.  I might add that my feeling is, if Biden/Harris do not win, those who last time wept may well this time burn.  If that happens and they persist, those on the right, the armed ones, will soon say enough is enough and the party will begin in earnest.

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6 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

Nah, I'm well aware of what I'm in for on this site.

Given the incredible amounts of unemployment, the almost depression-like economic conditions, the riots and happenings in several major cities and the racial unrest that seems to exist widely, I truly don't see how you can make that statement.  YOU might be in good shape, many are not.  

What do you expect after the Demoncrats pushing hysteria pandering over the COVID pandemic, which is now almost over. They have also called out and fully supported Marxist BLM based on a lie that started under Obama and was aided by his support. Also Antifa fully backed by most Demoncrats. It is actually a Marxist organization also. The riots were intended to help Demoncrats but most people have seen through that. 

So yes! We are totally divided between a Demoncrat party which should actually be called a Democratic Socialist Party like the one in Germany. 

If the Demoncrats were to win we would be in danger of  descending into serious problems. The first thing would be an economic collapse, especially in Democrat run cities and states as many headed for Red States. 

Enjoy the show. I will be praying for Republicans to save the country from doom. I will have to hold my nose for RINO's however.

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4 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

 those on the right, the armed ones, will soon say enough is enough and the party will begin in earnest.

The right certainly has more guns; the left has more money, brains, and computers. Good luck.

 

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7 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

 the COVID pandemic, which is now almost over.

It is not almost over - far from it until a vaccine.

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20 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I watch many graphs daily.  I agree many places are doing well right now

What soon will happen is people will let their guards down and we will see a massive resurgence.  Even the people who practised distancing, masks etc. will grow fatigued of that.  Schools are open here, so a mixing warehouse of snot nose kids.  Cold weather forces people inside...

It will re-surge, no doubt about it.

 

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7 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

Nah, I'm well aware of what I'm in for on this site.

Given the incredible amounts of unemployment, the almost depression-like economic conditions, the riots and happenings in several major cities and the racial unrest that seems to exist widely, I truly don't see how you can make that statement.  YOU might be in good shape, many are not.  

INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF UNEMPLOYMENT 

DEPRESSION  LIKE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS 

RACE RELATIONS 

RIOTS IN THE STREETS!

The headlines read these are the worst of times. If I remember correctly that was as is a 80's song preformed by STYX.

I do believe you are gravely underestimating the US population,  true there is untold anger looking for direction. 

Take a good look at Portland Oregon, as we speak LOCAL law enforcement agencies are being federally marshalled in order to circumvent Oregon elected officials and make arrests that fall under federal jusidiction.

Made simple Oregon citizens along with The Oregon State Police are going in to clean up Portland..I do believe it can be said OREGON citizens have began the revolution to take back their state and there city.

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18 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

I watch many graphs daily.  I agree many places are doing well right now

What soon will happen is people will let their guards down and we will see a massive resurgence.  Even the people who practised distancing, masks etc. will grow fatigued of that.  Schools are open here, so a mixing warehouse of snot nose kids.  Cold weather forces people inside...

It will re-surge, no doubt about it.

 

I disagree, but we will see. Vaccine may be here in two months. People around Decatur, IL mainly wear masks in stores and largely to be considerate of old folks like me. I have had a lot of laborers, and others around my home lately and they never wear masks. Rural areas will be the last to achieve herd immunity because they have had the fewest cases per person. 

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Rural areas already achieved herd immunity because we NEVER wore masks! Sweden was correct!

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7 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Unfortunately, things are likely to get much worse - and that is likely to be the case whomever prevails in the upcoming Presidential election.

First off, there is no assurance that Mr. Trump will prevail, either in the total public vote or in the Electoral College  (which in the US system is the determinant).  As I have pointed out previously in another thread, the likely votes in the Electoral Collge just do not add up to a Republican (Trump) victory.  In the "old days," the individual States sent Delegates to the Electoral College Convention and at that assembly, the competing candidates would hustle for votes.  Typically several rounds of voting took place, and ultimately someone out-hustled his competitors and was elected the President.  

That system has largely been abolished.  The Delegates are "delegates" in name only.  In reality they are simply stooges,  sent along by the State party machines and ordered to vote for their candidate.  To ensure compliance, any Delegate that "bolts" and actually votes for whomever he/she thinks is the better candidate, or plausibly for promises of special treatment if that candidate is elected (for example, the promise of a big military base set up in their District), is threatened with "arrest" and a criminal prosecution. So the Electoral College system has devolved into some caricature of the old Stalinist "Supreme Soviet," where you either applauded continuously for Stalin or were trucked off to the execution field, to take a bullet in the back of the head.  This does not bode well for democracy, or for the Republic, for that matter. 

In any event, Trump (and Biden) would need 270 votes;  at the very best, it looks like Trump "might" be able to corral 269. And I don't think he can take either Wisconsin or Ohio, which would lead to a major defeat.  If Trump corralled 269, he could in theory pick up that last vote in Maine or Nebraska, so it is possible in theory that he could prevail, but it is definitely an uphill slog. 

Meanwhile, let us remember that Mr. Trump's wife is not happy with being in the spotlight. the Presidency has driven a fissure into the marital relationship, and I remain surprised that Trump even stood for re-election. Over in the other camp, it is likely that Mr. Biden would be unable to complete even one term of office, so that leaves the voters with Miss Harris.  Little known to the public is that Miss Harris actually grew up in Montreal, and went to Westmount High School, a snooty and rich English-speaking exclave on the Island of Montreal.  She has largely inculcated Canadian political ideas.  So if Biden is elected, the country has plausibly a Canadian for its President, at least in thinking if not by birth. 

Either way, matters are going to get much, much worse for Mr. Average American.  If Mr. Biden prevails, as is plausible and in my view likely, then you can bet the leftists are going to re-link the USA with China, and continue down a path that has disastrous consequences for the Americans. The leftists simply do not want the Average Joe American to have an improvement in his life; those people are viewed as "the deplorables" and are expendable. And so the policies will continue, of identity politics and exploitation of the working classes. 

What the leftists overlook is that wrecking the working class (and the middle classes, by income) will result in massive social unrest.  Unfortunately for America, the leftists simply do not care; for them, all that matters is ideology.  And the puiblic knows this.  Last month (August) was the largest sales month ever for guns in Illinois. Ammunition cannot be kept in stock, and dealers are placing their customers on allocation.  New ammo shipments are cleaned out within 48 hours of arrivel in the gun stores.  What this tells you is that perfectly sensible people have concluded that unrest is coming soon, to a town near you, and the cops cannot protect you - so stock up.  I view that as a harbinger of big trouble ahead. 

Look in the bright side, the original electorate system depends so much on the knowledge & ethical values of delegates which are rare these days for politicians so it is not really a loss. Back then US were poor and there weren't too much fat for politicians to be corrupted.

Secondly it helps the normal voters really care about platforms instead of entrust their faith in the ones they voted for will make the right decision blindly. It will help they cares more about politics and hopefully will make better choice. 

Thirdly consider it is a test in normal US voters and delegates IQ, Patriotism vs personal gain borrowed from future US generations. Patriotism always demands sacrifices which in desperate time US people did die for their believe. In this case sacrifice temporary gains for saving future generations for normal votes or face prosecution for the delegates. If there were no patriotism/sacrifices or voters had no vision for the long run for their children, then I don't think any country can success in what ever political platform. In 2016 half of the country take a big risk and vote for Trump despite of his "controversial" personality. He had 4 years to earn his trust. Even if he loses, I would fell happy for him to have a good try and can retire in peace and maybe US people deserved the gloomy future when more than half of their voters are corrupted, selfish  or too easy to be brainwashed or became "useful idiots". Most of the powerful empires in the history were rotted in within.  And to considers how many US allies politicians treated Trump, maybe the world deserve to be the victim of CCP. I am sure no matter what US is still best place to be in the visible time if you choose your cities carefully and open to move. US citizens just don't have the ability to gain or save or enjoy the freedom as much than they were in the past. Compares with unfortunate people who were born and live in the third world it is just a big fortunate to be in the US. Where else would you want to be in?

I have a question in case of one side doesn't accept the elections result because then the losing side may stir up the vulnerable of mail in votes , then Nancy will be temp presidents or delegates can has another round of voting like the old time? Or the supreme Court will make the decision base on hearing out the vulnerability of the vote by mail  and evidences? I think vote by mail is the biggest threat to a robust election in the US especially with the delegate system.

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30 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

Look in the bright side, the original electorate system depends so much on the knowledge & ethical values of delegates which are rare these days for politicians so it is not really a loss. Back then US were poor and there weren't too much fat for politicians to be corrupted.

Secondly it helps the normal voters really care about platforms instead of entrust their faith in the ones they vote for will make the right decision blindly. It will help they cares more about politics and hopefully will make better choice. 

Thirdly consider it is a test in normal US voters and delegates IQ, Patriotism vs personal gain borrowed from future US generations. Patriotism always demands sacrifices which in desperate time US people did die for their believe. In this case sacrifice temporary gains for saving future generations for normal votes or face prosecution for the delegates. If there were no patriotism/sacrifices or voters had no vision for the long run for their children, then I don't think any country can success in what ever political platform. In 2016 half of the country take a big risk and vote for Trump despite of his "controversial" personality. He had 4 years to earn his trust. Even if he loses, I would fell happy for him to have a good try and can retire in peace and maybe US people deserved the gloomy future when more than half of their voters are corrupted, selfish  or too easy to be brainwashed or became "useful idiots". Most of the powerful empires in the history were rotted in within.  And to considers how many US allies politicians treated Trump, maybe the world deserve to be the victim of CCP. I am sure no matter what US is still best place to be in the visible time if you choose your cities carefully and open to move. US citizens just don't have the ability to gain or save or enjoy the freedom as much than they were in the past.

I have a question in case of one side doesn't accept the elections result because then the losing side may stir up the vulnerable of mail in votes , then Nancy will be temp presidents or delegates can has another round of voting like the old time? Or the supreme Court will make the decision base on hearing out the vulnerability of the vote by mail  and evidences? I think vote by mail is the biggest threat to a robust election in the US especially with the delegate system.

You bring up a unknown process..however it plays out it will be nasty.

Mail in voting begins in about 3 week's, at the same time Barrs criminal inquiry is scheduled to be released both sides are setting up for a take it all showdown. 

 

Above I posted to the fact the Oregon State Police are being federally marshalled. A new update the feds are now auditing Oregon's covid emergency money relief package. There are over 15000 people waiting for there employment benefits..for over 3 months. Computer software issue's is the official line 

 

 

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14 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

Nah, I'm well aware of what I'm in for on this site.

Given the incredible amounts of unemployment, the almost depression-like economic conditions, the riots and happenings in several major cities and the racial unrest that seems to exist widely, I truly don't see how you can make that statement.  YOU might be in good shape, many are not.  

Then why do you blame Trump? It is China that got everyone in this pickle?

 

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There will be no US as a global superpower after another more 4 years of Trump's lawless mismanagement. 

The international credit of the country is already totally ruined, former European allies, now bullied by Trump over energy, research and development projects, are looking for new alliances and financial tools and platforms. China, North Korea and Iran emerged from the scuffles with eager to impress, but totally ignorant Trump much stronger. 

During the almost 4 last years, Trump aggravated almost every domestic social problem. Mishandling of the coronavirus crisis naked bare the problem of the horrible American healthcare system (or rather, it's absence), where 40 percent of workers cannot afford a health plan and instead of getting proper treatment, they are addicted to opiate-based painkillers, which is a unique and horrendous phenomenon among (nominally) developed countries. The pharma corporations, unregulated and unscrupulous, empty the pockets of every Americans seeking medical care - the fees for simple medications and trivial operations are skyrocketing (only in the US, insulin is more precious than gold). Trump lied about "going hard on pharma corporations", he wrote some executive order telling his administration to "seek ways", but of course, nothing tangible has happened. 

That's perhaps the most dangerous Trump's specialty - he has observed that just saying "I will do this and that" bring him PR points, and that he does not actually follow up with real action, because his brainwashed base never fact checks and has short memory (that's why his pathological, chronic and compulsive lying is okay among trumpists). 

Trump inherited relatively functional and growing economy, and managed to drive it into the wall, full speed. Unemployment is now on the rise, more and more jobs are moved abroad (partially as a result of his tariff policies and stupid trade wars, which he lost). 

The stability of the American society is shaken to the very foundation. Trump's habit of dividing people and compelling them to hate and fight each other has made the problems of income inequality and the systemic American racism (centuries of tradition here) much worse - and yet he is not above sending masked thugs with clear orders to beat democratic electorate in the streets. 

What remains? Nepotism, criminality among Trump's aides and advisors (Bannon, Stone, Epstein, and others), Trumps blatant disdain towards laws, constitution, morals and good manners in general. Trump held republican convention in the White House, which is a direct violation of the law. Neither he, nor his brainwashed base seems to care. His masked thugs terrorizing Portland were unconstitutional. 

In a functional society, he should have been impeached, stripped of functions and privileges, fairly tried for his many criminal endeavors and already sitting in prison. Alas, it's a long road for America. 

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On 9/1/2020 at 11:52 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

Interesting commentary,actually follows an asummuptive closing statement. A very serious question are you following a canned narrative or just talking smack.

You should give more thought  to leading with your chin...The US in quite good shape actually just a full blown food fight so to speak. 

History likes repeating itself, only this time there will be quite a final show. Grab some popcorn it will be YUGE.

Your whole cult is totally delusional. USA has worst pandemic in 100 years and worst economic crisis since the Great Depression at hand, and you are babbling that you are in a "great shape"?

For the proper context - The G.D.P. fell 4% during the entirety of the Great Recession — and took 18 months to get there. During 2020 (8 moinths so far), US economy fell 9.5%, that means more than twice that number. 

 

The Great Depression was a disaster, many people starved, lost home, etc. The current crisis got twice as bad, twice as fast. How dumb someone must be to proclaim that US economy is in "great shape" despite this fact?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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