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And the exponentially decreasing cost curve of 50% every three years continues. Oil is a deadman walking.

 

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The Lithium part of the talk:

 

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The sheer genius of it all!  Re-package 7,000 +/- AA rechargeable batteries and put them all together!  Breathtaking!

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The sad but true fact of the matter is this: current and foreseeable battery technology just isn't there yet.  You can put lipstick on a pig......

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And the exponentially decreasing cost curve of 50% every three years continues. Oil is a deadman walking.

 

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Doesnt change the fact that the Canadian government needs 5c / km of tax! So charge at 18c kwh plus 5c kwh delivery (or in kalifornistan) . 75 kwh x23c kwh =17.25 + (500km x .05c/km road tax)=....42.25. Per tank I mean err pack. Doesnt seem super cheap for a small model 3 . Even if it isnt over priced by 20k$. Child #3 due in Nov does tesla have a van available.... need 1 rear facing and 2 forward facing child seats in the vehicle . 

Edit ... trying to post a chart of Ontario electricity rates ... not working so heres link if a fellow can help a brother out lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/morecoldair.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/ontarios-perceived-electricity-cost-inflation/amp/

Looks like a hockey stick lol. These Tesla are gonna be great to fill 30 years down the road .

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16 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Can't wait for Tesla Tire Day!  And of course Tesla Windows Day 2.0!

The first useful Windows is 3.1.

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49 minutes ago, Rob Kramer said:

Doesnt change the fact that the Canadian government needs 5c / km of tax! So charge at 18c kwh plus 5c kwh delivery (or in kalifornistan) . 75 kwh x23c kwh =17.25 + (500km x .05c/km road tax)=....42.25. Per tank I mean err pack. Doesnt seem super cheap for a small model 3 . Even if it isnt over priced by 20k$. Child #3 due in Nov does tesla have a van available.... need 1 rear facing and 2 forward facing child seats in the vehicle . 

Edit ... trying to post a chart of Ontario electricity rates ... not working so heres link if a fellow can help a brother out lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/morecoldair.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/ontarios-perceived-electricity-cost-inflation/amp/

Looks like a hockey stick lol. These Tesla are gonna be great to fill 30 years down the road .

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Rob, 

Click on the image so you get it in a window by itself. Copy the URL to your clipboard. Select "Insert other media" in the lower right of the comment box. Paste URL there. Ought to work, unless the source is not "HTTPS" (ie, for security HTTP: gets rejected). 

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1 minute ago, Ward Smith said:

Rob, 

Click on the image so you get it in a window by itself. Copy the URL to your clipboard. Select "Insert other media" in the lower right of the comment box. Paste URL there. Ought to work, unless the source is not "HTTPS" (ie, for security HTTP: gets rejected). 

I've had that problem myself from time to time.  Thanks for the tip.

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And the exponentially decreasing cost curve of 50% every three years continues. Oil is a deadman walking.

 

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Methinks we will all be dead before oil or even coal!

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The Lithium part of the talk:

 

I told everyone that lithium was all over the place a year or two ago. 

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11 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Methinks we will all be dead before oil or even coal!

FWIW... 

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3 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

The sheer genius of it all!  Re-package 7,000 +/- AA rechargeable batteries and put them all together!  Breathtaking!

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The sad but true fact of the matter is this: current and foreseeable battery technology just isn't there yet.  You can put lipstick on a pig......

Don't worry, you will be getting sloppy with that pig before you know it.

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55 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I told everyone that lithium was all over the place a year or two ago. 

I think they're using a modified process from whats described in Pop Mec. for that new silicon anode. By what was said they're using pure silicon with no carbon in the mix.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a31047440/corn-starch-lithium-ion/

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2 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

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33 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

FWIW... 

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..... pattern? 

Edit : cant choose between pattern or wonder what happens when coal goes to zero. 

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48 minutes ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

I think they're using a modified process from whats described in Pop Mec. for that new silicon anode. By what was said they're using pure silicon with no carbon in the mix.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a31047440/corn-starch-lithium-ion/

They can take the lithium out of the soil and replace the soil. They can use silicon and somehow fracture it and coat it so that it will not disintegrate as it is used. Very simply stated. 

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32 minutes ago, Rob Kramer said:

 

..... pattern? 

Edit : cant choose between pattern or wonder what happens when coal goes to zero. 

Natural gas is what has replaced coal in America with a little help from renewables. Thank you. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_the_United_States#Renewable_energy Please note the bottom right pie graph to see what renewable energy sources are counted.

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1 minute ago, ronwagn said:

They can take the lithium out of the soil and replace the soil. They can use silicon and somehow fracture it and coat it so that it will not disintegrate as it is used. Very simply stated. 

Yeah, that pop mec. article describes a simple process to make/coat anode's out of silicon instead of using graphite. 

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35 minutes ago, Rob Kramer said:

 

..... pattern? 

Edit : cant choose between pattern or wonder what happens when coal goes to zero. 

no pattern, the US numbers peaked in 2014 and plateaued yet US Renwables continued to climb exponentially. 

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

FWIW... 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_resources Educate yourself. See the graph in the lower right hand corner. Natural gas is what replaced coal use in America, renewables helped a little. 

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15 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

no pattern, the US numbers peaked in 2014 and plateaued yet US Renwables continued to climb exponentially. 

I was comparing Ontario electricity price and USA solar power production. Ontario graph looks similar with low coal and renewables displacing the coal.  Not surprisingly California has the most renewables and highest power price.

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