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7 hours ago, nsdp said:

It sounds good unless you know the physics behind each grid and what he is saying.  California is a poorly designed core grid with parallel path issues. Texas' problem was complacency and incompetence in the industries and at the PUCT and ERCOT.   A water intake from two condensers' cooling lake freezing off on a nuclear plant!!!?  That is as stupid as the Macando blowout.   He just repeats the culprits shifting their share of the blame.

Ah, no.  At South Texas #1, the secondary side turbine-driven main feed pumps (2) are outside, exposed to the weather, adjacent to the Main Turbine-Generator.

An impulse line for pump flow measurement froze, controls slowed one of the pumps, which dropped steam generator level.  The low level in steam generators tripped the plant (scrammed the Rx).

There was no loss of circulating (cooling water) water to the plant.

There ain't much deep physics behind an imbalance of generation and demand. Either you match the demand, or you have problems.

If renewables, without adequate back-up, contribute to unreliability (which may not be avoidable in rare instances), you shed load.

Adequate storage would correct the situation.

Adequate demand management would correct the situation.

If grid congestion is a contributor, building more transmission capacity would correct the situation.

All three, taken together, would SOLVE the situation.

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19 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Right, because the PNW doesn't already use 100% of the Hydro up there nor does Phoenix/Salt Lake/Sin City already use 100% of the Colorado for power...   Exactly ZERO hydro power goes to California other than a spring melt flood down the Columbia River if the PNW has mild temperatures and it is night time while CA is hot for about ~ 1 month a year in late May early June.  Honestly at this point both those giant powerlines to CALifornia may as well not exist other than the assholes in CA refusing to burn coal in their own state and instead burn it in Arizona... Lying Hypocrites. 

Now you could argue that CALIFORNIA should PAY to develop more Pumped Hydro Storage on the Columbia River, but here the PNW would gobble all that power up unless you ~doubled the Hydro Power Capacity because that is what will be required just for the SHORT term before you add in population increase and here the PNW/West population is massively increasing. 

You must be illiterate. The handling of hydro is in herehttps://www.wecc.org/Reliability/2014PSA_draft.pdf and reflects CONTRACT and STATUTORY Obligations of the Bonneville Power Adm with CAISO members and Western Area Power Admin for Nevada, Utah and Wyoming.  That is why I put this link here again so even the BLIND could see with no excuses (use NVDA screen reader) what the real obligations are. https://www.wecc.org/Reliability/2014PSA_draft.pdf PNW does not have exclusive claim at any dam except Grand Coulee.  Dalls, Bonneville, and the 30 plus other dams  must be shared with  Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, and California as per the Bonneville Power Act of 1937.  PNW also has transfer obligations from the intertie with BC Hydro and Alberta Hydro to ties at the California/Oregon border on Path  15 and 66. . Bonneville has been held in breach of the BPA Act by the FERC for repeated violations.   https://www.law360.com/articles/689376/9th-circ-backs-NW ferc-in-bonneville-power-distribution-row.

I believe the Washington state customers can't point fingers since they always buy more coal  power (and are bigger hypocrites)from Coalstrip and Jim Bridger and PacificCorp buys more from Chola(AZ, LOL) than California has ever bought from any coal plant in Arizona. City of Los Angles (only California participant in Navajo)quit Navajo Generating Station on December 31, 2015 and returned its ownership.  Four Corners and San Juan plants are in NEW Mexico(DUH!!).  Mohave was in Nevada.  So Washington always bought more power from coal plants in Montana than California did from plants in Arizona.  You sir are the hypocrite and a very ignorant one at that.

I have two (not just one) Huey P Long Bridges I will sell to you cheap.

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15 hours ago, turbguy said:

Ah, no.  At South Texas #1, the secondary side turbine-driven main feed pumps (2) are outside, exposed to the weather, adjacent to the Main Turbine-Generator.

An impulse line for pump flow measurement froze, controls slowed one of the pumps, which dropped steam generator level.  The low level in steam generators tripped the plant (scrammed the Rx).

There was no loss of circulating (cooling water) water to the plant.

There ain't much deep physics behind an imbalance of generation and demand. Either you match the demand, or you have problems.

If renewables, without adequate back-up, contribute to unreliability (which may not be avoidable in rare instances), you shed load.

Adequate storage would correct the situation.

Adequate demand management would correct the situation.

If grid congestion is a contributor, building more transmission capacity would correct the situation.

All three, taken together, would SOLVE the situation.

I find your description of the STNP trip interesting  since it is accurate according to NRC  and contradicts CPS Energy's press release on the cause during the freeze.  CPS management wouldn't lie to us on the web  would they?  Also interesting because it is a continuing  OSHA violation for exceeding noise levels and there has been an order issued to HL&P in 1992 as operator of STNP to enclose and sound proof those pumps just like they were supposed to at Green's Bayou #5.  Some how they got the NRC to put a hold on that construction.  Wonder why unit #2 didn't freeze off; they are supposed to be identical.

As for California the best way I can describe the situation is they are still using 2400/4160Y as core distribution.  HL&P replaced the last 2400/4160Y distribution in 1971.  Some of the oldest Califonia transmission is still 34.5kv  and 25% is still 69kv.   You can look at the WECC constraints and needs report for CAISO and see what was called for in 2015 to be upgraded. The power line that caused the 2018 fire at Camp Creek  was lattice steel tower built in 1920. It should have been retired under NERC  standards in 1995.   CPUC said that it hadn't fallen down so it could wait.  Got to hold down the rates.  There was one tower  where the foundation had washed out and PG&E could fix that. Wasn't that a clue.

Dispatchers could handle most of the problem if BPA (see footeab@yahoo.com 's rant above) followed the contracts  and cooperated.  CAISO has 160mw of surge capacity from Bureau of Reclamation at Davis, Parker, Hoover and Glen Canyon Dams.   If BPA would follow instructions on the 2500mw of CAISO firm  transfer rights  there would not be a crisis. Ramp the hydro up and down.

Battery storage might help on a 4 hour basis.  Big batteries run into trouble (quantum mechanical source rather than synchronous) Motors and AC are synchronous rather than pure resistive loads. So the inverter destabilizes the grid. https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy21osti/73476.pdf

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On 2/15/2021 at 7:33 PM, Boat said:

So it’s the greenies running Texas now? Lol What about natural gas sold to Mexico almost equals Texas natural gas consumption. That’s the greenies at work? Lol Lay off the Trumpisms. Who wants to bet the refineries in Texas owned by the Saudi and Venezuela are running while poor redneck Republicans chop wood. Is that how it really works in Texas? I bet you don’t want to know what’s really happening. 
Australia did a similar thing with their gas. Sold so much to Asia they had problem. Musk built them a battery and their going to solar. Bet he offers Texas the same deal. 

Texas was always the favorite destination of carpetbaggers. Look at ERCOT for a start....

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On 3/29/2021 at 4:02 AM, Dan Clemmensen said:

If the global consensus (right or wrong) is that carbon must be captured and stored to offset fossil carbon extracted in oil, coal, and NG, then you should cram that plastic back into the ground after you buy it back instead of burning it. That would be cheaper and much more reliable than trying to sequester CO2.

Someone mentioned about making use of CO2 instead of capturing it somewhere amidst the 76 pages.........🤢  Guess a global consensus can be made too, shall this is somehow helpful, no??

 

Oh wait..!? Could it be that there is no immediate money gain in reusing CO2 e.g. planting trees or plants that there would be no consensus achieved on global scale...?? 😳

On 4/9/2021 at 10:09 PM, NickW said:

Stablising the grid can also be provided for through Hydro, pump storage and as we are now seeing increasing deployment of batteries. Europe is moving its Hydro fleet to being a peak supplier rather than  baseload. Typical example is Norway - on Windy days it imports from Denmark, Germany etc and on lower wind days exports Hydro. Its retrofitting many of its conventional Hydro plants with pump storage capacity which will further enhance this service.

excellent work....

something crosses my mind......

if, what a country tends to use to generate electricity is somehow related to its climate....... then........

Temperate region is a belt where water will freeze during winter, sun will shine shyly for minutes to hours except spring and summer, and wind might not blow on other seasons than summer........... Hence, this region is also rather popular with nuclear power and fossil fuel......

 

If, all the options of renewable could be used only sparingly, the hasten drive would only cause unworthy deficits in the budget, or no??

Was in a discussion board about future energy........ shall hydro power is the most popular option for most countries (except a few countries where water is found mainly in cactus), and this energy is based on potential power....... then......... temperate region probably could explore types of potential power that would  be most beneficial, or no??

 

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8 hours ago, nsdp said:

I find your description of the STNP trip interesting  since it is accurate according to NRC  and contradicts CPS Energy's press release on the cause during the freeze.  CPS management wouldn't lie to us on the web  would they?  Also interesting because it is a continuing  OSHA violation for exceeding noise levels and there has been an order issued to HL&P in 1992 as operator of STNP to enclose and sound proof those pumps just like they were supposed to at Green's Bayou #5.  Some how they got the NRC to put a hold on that construction.  Wonder why unit #2 didn't freeze off; they are supposed to be identical.

As for California the best way I can describe the situation is they are still using 2400/4160Y as core distribution.  HL&P replaced the last 2400/4160Y distribution in 1971.  Some of the oldest Califonia transmission is still 34.5kv  and 25% is still 69kv.   You can look at the WECC constraints and needs report for CAISO and see what was called for in 2015 to be upgraded. The power line that caused the 2018 fire at Camp Creek  was lattice steel tower built in 1920. It should have been retired under NERC  standards in 1995.   CPUC said that it hadn't fallen down so it could wait.  Got to hold down the rates.  There was one tower  where the foundation had washed out and PG&E could fix that. Wasn't that a clue.

Dispatchers could handle most of the problem if BPA (see footeab@yahoo.com 's rant above) followed the contracts  and cooperated.  CAISO has 160mw of surge capacity from Bureau of Reclamation at Davis, Parker, Hoover and Glen Canyon Dams.   If BPA would follow instructions on the 2500mw of CAISO firm  transfer rights  there would not be a crisis. Ramp the hydro up and down.

Battery storage might help on a 4 hour basis.  Big batteries run into trouble (quantum mechanical source rather than synchronous) Motors and AC are synchronous rather than pure resistive loads. So the inverter destabilizes the grid. https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy21osti/73476.pdf

"Identical" doesn't count for routing of small impulse tubing and the like.  Probably a section of appearance lagging over the Feed Pump and drive turbine had a bad joint letting in a cold breeze?  Sloppy re-insulation of three pumps over the other, keeping the impulse lines on others from freezing? Who knows.  At least it's an easy (probably 6 weeks paperwork,  8 hour actual work) fix.

Inverters need to be revised to "grid-forming" rather than "grid-following".  I don't see why they cannot emulate rotating machinery.

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17 hours ago, nsdp said:

https://www.law360.com/articles/689376/9th-circ-backs-NW ferc-in-bonneville-power-distribution-row

You must be illiterate. The handling of hydro is in herehttps://www.wecc.org/Reliability/2014PSA_draft.pdf and reflects CONTRACT and STATUTORY Obligations of the Bonneville Power Adm with CAISO members and Western Area Power Admin for Nevada, Utah and Wyoming.  That is why I put this link here again so even the BLIND could see with no excuses (use NVDA screen reader) what the real obligations are. https://www.wecc.org/Reliability/2014PSA_draft.pdf PNW does not have exclusive claim at any dam except Grand Coulee.  Dalls, Bonneville, and the 30 plus other dams  must be shared with  Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, and California as per the Bonneville Power Act of 1937.  PNW also has transfer obligations from the intertie with BC Hydro and Alberta Hydro to ties at the California/Oregon border on Path  15 and 66. . Bonneville has been held in breach of the BPA Act by the FERC for repeated violations.   https://www.law360.com/articles/689376/9th-circ-backs-NW ferc-in-bonneville-power-distribution-row.

I believe the Washington state customers can't point fingers since they always buy more coal  power (and are bigger hypocrites)from Coalstrip and Jim Bridger and PacificCorp buys more from Chola(AZ, LOL) than California has ever bought from any coal plant in Arizona. City of Los Angles (only California participant in Navajo)quit Navajo Generating Station on December 31, 2015 and returned its ownership.  Four Corners and San Juan plants are in NEW Mexico(DUH!!).  Mohave was in Nevada.  So Washington always bought more power from coal plants in Montana than California did from plants in Arizona.  You sir are the hypocrite and a very ignorant one at that.

I have two (not just one) Huey P Long Bridges I will sell to you cheap.

And you are a liar as your links you threw down are not what you claim they are.  You didn't even read them that much is obvious.  Typical.  Here is a link from the BPA displaying your lies: https://www.bpa.gov/news/pubs/FactSheets/fs-202011-BPA-prepares-for-potential-changes-that-could-enable-joining-Western-Energy-Imbalance-Market.pdf  There is no contract and statutory obligation to California, Montana, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming as you claim for hydro dams outside said territory as BPA's own news document demonstrates.  Said announcement also shows them joining together to potentially help balance each other which they CURRENTLY do not do. 

Here is BPA's next official document where they are all giddy of tapping into the more expensive California market and MAKING MONEY.... https://www.bpa.gov/Projects/Initiatives/EIM/Doc/20190620-Western-Energy-Imbalance-Market-Letter-to-the-Region.pdf

Dear liar, in 1937 there was NO INTERCONNECT.  The only true statement you made is about obligations with BC Hydro.

As for your lawsuit... that was after CA forced PNW into their "common market" back in the late 90's.  Not 1937.  Why?  Steal cheaper power prices from the PNW to lower California's own costs by forcing people in the PNW to pay higher rates even though they already USED 100% of the Hydropower available.  Ah, it is so nice be a giant ass thieving bully with the most representatives in Congress... Guess you must be from California... that much is obvious. 

As for coal... so what?  It is California idiots claiming coal is the end of the world.  Of course the PNW gets power from coal.  It maxed out its ability to use Hydro in the in 1970's and has been burning coal for a very long time.  Been going to more and more NG from BC/Alberta... 

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Oh yea, and the Coal in the PNW... is BURNED in the PNW at 1.3GW Centralia plant unlike in California who pretend getting it from AZ makes its emissions disappear.  And no dear liar the power of said coal is not burned in Montana and electricity imported.  Rather coal is imported and burned.  Oh, and the idiots in Olympia are shutting it down via fiat and instead will demand more Gas from BC/Alberta to cover their stupid asses and STILL won't build more dams and pumped hydro. 

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Australia did a similar thing with their gas. Sold so much to Asia they had problem. Musk built them a battery and their going to solar. Bet he offers Texas the same deal. 

 

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On 5/1/2021 at 4:42 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Oh yea, and the Coal in the PNW... is BURNED in the PNW at 1.3GW Centralia plant unlike in California who pretend getting it from AZ makes its emissions disappear.  And no dear liar the power of said coal is not burned in Montana and electricity imported.  Rather coal is imported and burned.  Oh, and the idiots in Olympia are shutting it down via fiat and instead will demand more Gas from BC/Alberta to cover their stupid asses and STILL won't build more dams and pumped hydro. 

California coal imports are dropping fast.  By law will be 0% coal in 2026.

Here is a great video of the Navajo coal plant in AZ being destroyed:

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https://youtu.be/hZwoYB_ERLI

 

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On 5/1/2021 at 6:31 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

And you are a liar as your links you threw down are not what you claim they are.  You didn't even read them that much is obvious.  Typical.  Here is a link from the BPA displaying your lies: https://www.bpa.gov/news/pubs/FactSheets/fs-202011-BPA-prepares-for-potential-changes-that-could-enable-joining-Western-Energy-Imbalance-Market.pdf  There is no contract and statutory obligation to California, Montana, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming as you claim for hydro dams outside said territory as BPA's own news document demonstrates.  Said announcement also shows them joining together to potentially help balance each other which they CURRENTLY do not do. 

Here is BPA's next official document where they are all giddy of tapping into the more expensive California market and MAKING MONEY.... https://www.bpa.gov/Projects/Initiatives/EIM/Doc/20190620-Western-Energy-Imbalance-Market-Letter-to-the-Region.pdf

Dear liar, in 1937 there was NO INTERCONNECT.  The only true statement you made is about obligations with BC Hydro.

As for your lawsuit... that was after CA forced PNW into their "common market" back in the late 90's.  Not 1937.  Why?  Steal cheaper power prices from the PNW to lower California's own costs by forcing people in the PNW to pay higher rates even though they already USED 100% of the Hydropower available.  Ah, it is so nice be a giant ass thieving bully with the most representatives in Congress... Guess you must be from California... that much is obvious. 

As for coal... so what?  It is California idiots claiming coal is the end of the world.  Of course the PNW gets power from coal.  It maxed out its ability to use Hydro in the in 1970's and has been burning coal for a very long time.  Been going to more and more NG from BC/Alberta... 

You're in the lead for this years' Dunning Kruger Effect Award.

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.” -Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

In April of 1995, McArthur Wheeler covered his face in lemon juice and robbed two Pittsburgh area banks. He reasoned that the lemon juice would make his face invisible to security cameras, in the same way that lemon juice is used as invisible ink. He even claimed to have successfully tested the idea with his own Polaroid camera before the robberies. Of course, this was nonsense and he was picked up by police soon after the banks’ security footage was shown on the nightly news. “But I wore the juice,” he said, confused when officers showed up at his house.  ttps://robinjelliott.com/2020/08/the-dunning-kruger-effect-in-our-modern-society

Now let's go to the Title 16 USC12H: From section 836c

(c) Purchase and exchange

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The purchase and exchange sale referred toa ll have rights to power from BPA underr the  in paragraph (1) of this subsection with any electric utility shall be limited to an amount not in excess of50 per centum of such utility’s Regional residential load in the year beginning July 1, 1980, such 50 per centum limit increasing in equal annual increments to 100 per centum of such load in the year beginning July 1, 1985, and each year thereafter."
 
The Libby Dam is in Montana and its utilities represented by Western Area Power Administration have first call  by statue on the dams  output.  Nevada Utah and Wyoming  are all part of the headwaters of the Snake River or its tributaries. The Snake River drainage basin encompasses parts of six U.S. states (Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Utah, Nevada, and Wyoming) . These states all have "Basin Water  Rights" under the terms of the  1964 Columbia River Treaty (CRT) that will reopen in 2024 and by treaty supersede the BPA of 1937 that BPA must respect.  Those rights include a prorata share of hydro from their waters.  BPA would have to negotiate with each state to transfer those rights to Oregon or Washinton  or take power away from Washington and Oregon to meet Basin Water rights.  Mt. Elbert in  Colorado is an example of   interbasin trans fer rights. There are contracts for each of those four states; you are just to stupid to find them.   Think you must be McArthur Wheeler , Jr.
(f) Surplus power

The Administrator is authorized to sell, or otherwise dispose of, electric power, including power acquired pursuant to this and other Acts, that is surplus to his obligations incurred pursuant to subsections (b), (c), and (d) of this section in accordance with this and other Acts applicable to the Administrator, including the Bonneville Project Act of 1937 (16 U.S.C. 832 and following), the Federal Columbia River Transmission Sys

Now let's move on to 16USC 839d subparagraph (c)  Procedure for acquiring major resources, implementing conservation measures, paying or reimbursing investigation and preconstruction expenses, or granting billing credits.

This governs Path 66, the PACIFIC INTERTIE, from the Dalls to Adelanto Califormia.  During  winter months excess power in California, Arizona  and Nevada is exported north to the BPA to make up power deficiencies. The following spring these states have the absolute contract right to mwh for mwh return of power delivered the previous winter, About 15,000,000mwh in winter 19-summer 20.  This way BPA does not flush spring run off water into the Pacific with out use.

Congratulations you are currently leading the field for this years Dunning Kruger prize. I will address you stupidity on California buying coal power from Arizona when I have time to morrow. Only coal power in California is from Intermountain Power in Utah.

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3 hours ago, nsdp said:

You're in the lead for this years' Dunning Kruger Effect Award.

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.” -Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

In April of 1995, McArthur Wheeler covered his face in lemon juice and robbed two Pittsburgh area banks. He reasoned that the lemon juice would make his face invisible to security cameras, in the same way that lemon juice is used as invisible ink. He even claimed to have successfully tested the idea with his own Polaroid camera before the robberies. Of course, this was nonsense and he was picked up by police soon after the banks’ security footage was shown on the nightly news. “But I wore the juice,” he said, confused when officers showed up at his house.  ttps://robinjelliott.com/2020/08/the-dunning-kruger-effect-in-our-modern-society

Now let's go to the Title 16 USC12H: From section 836c

(c) Purchase and exchange

"(2)
The purchase and exchange sale referred toa ll have rights to power from BPA underr the  in paragraph (1) of this subsection with any electric utility shall be limited to an amount not in excess of50 per centum of such utility’s Regional residential load in the year beginning July 1, 1980, such 50 per centum limit increasing in equal annual increments to 100 per centum of such load in the year beginning July 1, 1985, and each year thereafter."
 
The Libby Dam is in Montana and its utilities represented by Western Area Power Administration have first call  by statue on the dams  output.  Nevada Utah and Wyoming  are all part of the headwaters of the Snake River or its tributaries. The Snake River drainage basin encompasses parts of six U.S. states (Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Utah, Nevada, and Wyoming) . These states all have "Basin Water  Rights" under the terms of the  1964 Columbia River Treaty (CRT) that will reopen in 2024 and by treaty supersede the BPA of 1937 that BPA must respect.  Those rights include a prorata share of hydro from their waters.  BPA would have to negotiate with each state to transfer those rights to Oregon or Washinton  or take power away from Washington and Oregon to meet Basin Water rights.  Mt. Elbert in  Colorado is an example of   interbasin trans fer rights. There are contracts for each of those four states; you are just to stupid to find them.   Think you must be McArthur Wheeler , Jr.
(f) Surplus power

The Administrator is authorized to sell, or otherwise dispose of, electric power, including power acquired pursuant to this and other Acts, that is surplus to his obligations incurred pursuant to subsections (b), (c), and (d) of this section in accordance with this and other Acts applicable to the Administrator, including the Bonneville Project Act of 1937 (16 U.S.C. 832 and following), the Federal Columbia River Transmission Sys

Now let's move on to 16USC 839d subparagraph (c)  Procedure for acquiring major resources, implementing conservation measures, paying or reimbursing investigation and preconstruction expenses, or granting billing credits.

This governs Path 66, the PACIFIC INTERTIE, from the Dalls to Adelanto Califormia.  During  winter months excess power in California, Arizona  and Nevada is exported north to the BPA to make up power deficiencies. The following spring these states have the absolute contract right to mwh for mwh return of power delivered the previous winter, About 15,000,000mwh in winter 19-summer 20.  This way BPA does not flush spring run off water into the Pacific with out use.

Congratulations you are currently leading the field for this years Dunning Kruger prize. I will address you stupidity on California buying coal power from Arizona when I have time to morrow. Only coal power in California is from Intermountain Power in Utah.

I have to wonder if you have gone senile...  DO you LOVE posting stuff which PROVES you wrong? 

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20 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

I have to wonder if you have gone senile...  DO you LOVE posting stuff which PROVES you wrong? 

I have 43 years experience with the Federal Power Act and I checked with Jerry Feit  who was Solicitor General for the FERC at relevant times and have done appellate work as a member of the Energy Bar Association. How many cases do you have at the DC, 5th, 10th and 11th circuit courts of appeals. This was my first district court case https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/568/1265/2374 598/. You should be able to find the 10th circuit  opinion if you are not a total incompetent. Split decision.   Are you even competent enough to be allowed to commit  even MALPRACTICE before the FERC.

 

 

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5 hours ago, nsdp said:

I have 43 years experience with the Federal Power Act and I checked with Jerry Feit  who was Solicitor General for the FERC at relevant times and have done appellate work as a member of the Energy Bar Association. How many cases do you have at the DC, 5th, 10th and 11th circuit courts of appeals. This was my first district court case https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/568/1265/2374 598/. You should be able to find the 10th circuit  opinion if you are not a total incompetent. Split decision.   Are you even competent enough to be allowed to commit  even MALPRACTICE before the FERC.

Dear mr. whom it appears cannot read anymore and whom even gave nice links which proved your earlier statement wrong of CAL having access to obligated power quotas in BPA, , the public utilities of Washington/Oregon have exclusive first dibs/rights to the power generated.  Only surplus power is sold to CAL: Period and was the ONLY reason that the powerline to California was built to begin with as the states demanded this provision be put in place.  Maybe next time remember what you actually wrote instead of going on a diatribe.... https://www.nwcouncil.org/reports/columbia-river-history/intertie<<British Columbia, NOT part of the USA, or BPA>>, used to sell guaranteed power to California, as it funded the building of their major dams Mica/Revelstoke dam mega projects on upper Columbia River and several others which helped stabilize the flow of the Columbia, but that stopped When Vancouver now sucks up everything where BPA/BChydro swap power depending on the time of  year. 

The only power CAL gets is surplus hydro power buddy

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11 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Good to know natural gas was to blame.

You need to learn how to read, you ignoramus. 

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14 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

You need to learn how to read, you ignoramus. 

Really? The article is quite clear that critical natural gas infrastructure companies signed up to be part of a program to get paid to shut down in an emergency:

"Officials at ERCOT said that the grid operator was unaware that the program to save power actually ended up cutting off some of the much-needed natural gas supply at the time by shutting down critical natural gas infrastructure.

The grid operator in Texas also said it would need to re-evaluate whether critically important natural gas infrastructure should be allowed to qualify for the payments-for-reduced consumption program in the future. "

This is truly Texas sized stupidity!

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4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Really? The article is quite clear that critical natural gas infrastructure companies signed up to be part of a program to get paid to shut down in an emergency:

Officials at ERCOT said that the grid operator was unaware that the program to save power actually ended up cutting off some of the much-needed natural gas supply at the time by shutting down critical natural gas infrastructure.

The grid operator in Texas also said it would need to re-evaluate whether critically important natural gas infrastructure should be allowed to qualify for the payments-for-reduced consumption program in the future. 

The article explains it pretty damn clearly that the grid operator was at fault, and shut down critical NG infrastructure. I dont know how you can't understand plain English, but you've disparaged Alberta's energy so erroneously in the past; it's obvious you've got some mental problems. 

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24 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

The article explains it pretty damn clearly that the grid operator was at fault, and shut down critical NG infrastructure. I dont know how you can't understand plain English, but you've disparaged Alberta's energy so erroneously in the past; it's obvious you've got some mental problems. 

They shut down critical NG infrastructure because those companies signed up for a program to get paid to shutdown in an emergency. The grid operator did not shut down companies who did not sign up for the program. The grid operator is not without fault but it was the NG companies who made the choice to sign up for this program.

HaHa, oh do tell, what did I say about Alberta energy? Because I fully support Alberta wind energy and a pipeline to the US to carry HVDC to the good ole USA.

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47 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

They shut down critical NG infrastructure because those companies signed up for a program to get paid to shutdown in an emergency. The grid operator did not shut down companies who did not sign up for the program. The grid operator is not without fault but it was the NG companies who made the choice to sign up for this program.

HaHa, oh do tell, what did I say about Alberta energy? Because I fully support Alberta wind energy and a pipeline to the US to carry HVDC to the good ole USA.

Oh, so the grid operator, who should damn well know what is happening, just indiscriminately shuts down critical infrastructure, but it's the NG company that's at fault for signing up for a program to help in the the event of a disaster? 

How "government can do no wrong" of you and, likely, a "green" op-ed writer as well. Probably a Rachel Notley commissioned basher of the Alberta Oilsands. I guarantee you've done on here, with zero knowledge of the subject other than what Hanoi Jane has made a fool of herself trying to do. 

You're just another California silicon bubble headed leftist sycophant. 

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Just now, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Oh, so the grid operator, who should damn well know what is happening, just indiscriminately shuts down critical infrastructure, but it's the NG company that's at fault for signing up for a program to help in the the event of a disaster? 

How "government can do no wrong" of you and, likely, a "green" op-ed writer as well. Probably a Rachel Notley commissioned basher of the Alberta Oilsands. I guarantee you've done on here, with zero knowledge of the subject other than what Hanoi Jane has made a fool of herself trying to do. 

You're just another California silicon bubble headed leftist sycophant. 

Yes the NG company is as much at fault for signing up for a program to shut down during an electricity shortage as the grid operator is for not vetting the list. Let's be clear, the only disaster that program was for was energy shortages. Surely those NG guys are intelligent enough to know that they deliver energy and if they shut down the problem will get worse? Apparently not.

HaHa, you guys can't even build a pipeline in your own country for it. No one wants it.

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1 hour ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

You need to learn how to read, you ignoramus. 

Nope Scottish would be more descriptive...

McKinsey is a variant of the Scottish surname McKenzie which, in turn, means 'son of Coinneach' (son of Kenneth).
Variant form(s): Mackenzie (surname), Macken...
Meaning: Son of Coinneach
Region of origin: Scotland
 

A STUDY OF THE SCOTS

Examining some of the world's most wonderfully frustrating people

 

Oddly enough GM devoted a entire theme in honor to the Scott's

"LIKE A ROCK"

Rumor has it that is, unnamed sources...

 

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19 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes the NG company is as much at fault for signing up for a program to shut down during an electricity shortage as the grid operator is for not vetting the list. Let's be clear, the only disaster that program was for was energy shortages. Surely those NG guys are intelligent enough to know that they deliver energy and if they shut down the problem will get worse? Apparently not.

HaHa, you guys can't even build a pipeline in your own country for it. No one wants it.

Yet your brethren import over 90% of our "no one wants it" product. There's much much more at play than quality, you idiot, but far be it from someone like you to actually know anything about the subject. 

Sweetheart deals with Irving on the east coast and tanker bans on the west coast make the USA our only option for now. Thank god the KXL wasn't completed. All I know is that I cannot wait for the fault lines to cleave you bastards from this continent, Cascadia and all. 

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On 3/22/2021 at 6:55 AM, Symmetry said:

This guy is priceless! 

Thankyou, I will take that as a complement. I may have failed to convince the Indian govt to cut their military ties to Russia, but at least the Pentagon has realised that they need to offer the Indians a system that is of similar or greater quality at a similar or lower price. The other issue is technology transfer. India is manufacturing many of it's weapon systems locally now. And the US sold F-16's (which can carry nuclear weapons) to Pakistan. The US also imposes restrictions on weapons to India that they can buy from France instead. It seems that everything went astray back in the 70's when India went Commo and banned Coka-Cola. The Quad is becoming stronger, but at a snail's pace. The latest snag has been that the US banned the export of PIC's (Precursor Industrial Chemicals) for India to produce vaccines. That has now been resolved, and Biden is even talking about cancelling the patents of US-designed vaccines so they can be manufactured anywhere on the planet. If the US is able to help India through their current crisis, I imagine that the Indian govt will be more likely to co-operate more deeply on geo-strategic matters. But let me tell you, there is a lot of Pro-Russian and anti-US sentiment at the higher levels of the Indian military that needs to be worked through and I would describe US-India relations at the "very-immature" stage thus far. India-Japan relations are quite mature, but the US and Australian govt's have a lot of work to do after ignoring India for so long. You can expect another leaders meeting of the quad as soon as covid crises is under control and that is when the big deals will be done. 

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