America's pandemic dead deserve accountability after Birx disclosure

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On 4/13/2021 at 11:46 AM, Ward Smith said:

I never brought up excess deaths period. My point was clearly articulated, the CDC website (mostly inadvertently) published a paper which showed the numbers of patients who died with Covid versus patients who died of Covid. Most of the people who died with Covid had many many things wrong with them. Was Covid the straw that broke the camel's back? Maybe, but most of these people weren't long for this world anyway (for instance tens of thousands with stage 4 cancer). I find statistics abuse interesting. Hardly anyone knows how to properly perform a Chi square distribution of the null hypothesis. They can't properly articulate the null hypothesis, no doubt because of all the statistical malpractice we're constantly exposed to. 

Complaints of Statistical malpractice coming from you is a little rich. 

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17 hours ago, waltz said:

Ward, you seem to be playing a game of semantics.  Excess deaths, though you may not have mentioned it, will be observable in the coming years.  It appears that death has been pulled forward for roughly half a million Americans.  If this is true the numbers should revert back to lower than the pre-COVID-19 years for some short period of time, factoring in age of the population.  We will have to see how the Brazilian/South African variants affect these numbers as well as any future variants.

I wonder why it is okay to reference Brazilian or South African variant but somehow saying China virus has been deemed unacceptable?  I mean let’s give credit where it is due.

      waltz 

Bat lovers everywhere have duped the world. Be a hero, kill a bat. To say kill only Chinese bats won’t end the danger.

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3 hours ago, waltz said:

My last comment was meant as a quip, I recognize the use of “Brazilian” or “South African” as a descriptor, opposed to use of “China virus” by some.  My view of the last President can be found in my past posts here; hint, they were not positive in most respects.  His intent in using term may not have be malicious nor was it solely descriptive.

Sorry about your wife’s experience, probably best for your family if you stay out of a cell.  Often times it is difficult to convey ones tone in writing, I clearly failed here.

      waltz 

No worries at all. My last sentence was just there to cover all angles. It was not my point. I knew yours was a quip about a technicality.

Unrelated rant: My wife and I both voted for Trump in the last election because we thought he was being treated unfairly by the media, which unfairness should not continue. She knew her vote was detrimental to her own interest, but thought that the concept of voting should be selfless -- one should sacrifice one's interest for the greater good. I personally thought that's a concept often promulgated in socialist/communist countries ...  In the US, voting IS to promote self interest. In fact, it is often the only chance one could equally (compared to people with more wealth/power) promote one's self interest.

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3 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

It was 52min, not a day. 

(It was released by the CCP 52min after the Australian released it, not 1 day.)

Modesty has its limits and on this anniversary of Australia’s first COVID-19 case, it’s time to tell the story of how our scientists took a bold leading role, bringing the world with them, as the pandemic began.

For the first three months, through preparedness and agility, they were able to bestow a number of scientific gifts that would help the world manage COVID-19.

In early January 2020, there was increasing chatter in the global infectious disease community about an unusual “pneumonia” in Wuhan.

Edward Holmes, a renowned and somewhat rebellious virologist from the University of Sydney was the only Westerner working on this, with his Chinese colleagues.

A few scientists in China were busy sequencing the genome of the virus behind this "pneumonia", but by January 5, Holmes' Chinese research partner had completed the sequence and they began writing a paper on it.

Both he and Professor Yong-Zhen Zhang from Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre and School of Public Health, Fudan University, felt compelled to publish the sequence but there was pressure not to do so from Chinese authorities trying to maintain control of information about the virus.

So, they lodged the sequence in the vault of the official US database at GenBank under embargo. Two days later, they submitted the paper to the journal Nature, knowing it would take some time to be published.

But Holmes couldn’t sleep.

“I felt like the gatekeeper. It was clear something very much like SARS was emerging and this information had to get out. But I didn’t want to cause trouble for Zhang at home.”

After wrestling with angst all week, at 8am on Saturday, January 11, he picked up the phone in his study at home and called Zhang, urging him to release the sequence.

In Shanghai, Zhang was on the runway in a plane headed to Beijing. He wanted to think about it. A minute later, as the plane taxied, he called back. "Release it".

As the plane lifted off, he asked a colleague in China to send it to Holmes.

Almost trembling, Holmes called a colleague in Edinburgh, who ran the website virological.org, and gave him the news. “I was shaking as I pressed send, and off it went."

It took 52 minutes from receiving the code from China to publishing it globally. In a tweet, Holmes then alerted the virology community around the world that the genome code was available.

 

“Within seconds people responded with phrases like “we’re off” or “here we go”. It was a kind of ground zero for science. Researchers could start work.”

The next day, they were remarking on the virus’ close relationship to SARS and its pandemic potential.

Not only did the sequence enable the rapid development of diagnostic tests, it was the first-time people at Moderna, Pfizer and Oxford had seen the sequence. Moderna later said it downloaded it and began designing its vaccine that weekend.

China officially published its genomic data the following day, on January 12.

Holmes’ only regret is that he was not able to release the sequence earlier. There were consequences. Zhang’s lab was quoted as experiencing “rectification”, although his work has now been widely recognised and he has received a number of awards. In October, Holmes was named NSW Scientist of the Year.

Positive test

A week later, the Chinese national from Wuhan who would become Australia’s first COVID-19 case landed at Melbourne’s Tullamarine airport, setting the ground for two local scientists to make another global move.

By Friday morning, January 24, the man was at Monash Medical Centre, feverish and having difficulty breathing. Just after lunch, a nostril swab of his arrived at the Victorian Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory (VIDRL).

Once testing was under way and the first test looked positive, Dr Julian Druce, head of virus identification and known for his green thumbs, began growing the virus in case it was the new coronavirus.

Chance favours the prepared: Julian Druce and Mike Catton at VIDRL. Joe Armao

In the early hours of Saturday, the man’s positive result was confirmed and later that morning the country learnt the novel coronavirus had arrived. It was January 25; the gong had sounded but no one knew what it signified.

All through that Australia Day weekend, Druce and Dr Mike Catton, director of VIDRL, watched their seedlings. By Tuesday, January 28, the test read-out was “rip-roaringly strong” and they knew they’d done it.

Like Holmes, they felt the pressing responsibility to share the knowledge, but shipping specimens of live virus around the world is a complex logistical process with stringent safety and security conditions.

VIDRL is part of The Doherty Institute, which swung into action. By Thursday, frozen samples were being couriered to the airport.The pair learnt that many others had tried and failed to grow it. More requests than they could possibly meet, began arriving. As it happened, NSW had been growing it too but was a day behind because it needed to send its specimens to VIDRL to confirm results.

As the first samples were being shipped, the world clocked 1753 positive cases of the virus. With so many cases elsewhere, why were the Australians so awake and ahead?

“Chance favours the prepared mind,” says Catton from Melbourne. He helped to establish The Doherty as a place where public health capacity and research capacity were brought together under one roof.

In most places these are found in separate institutions, which is why others may have struggled to grow the virus. When the sample was brought to the public health laboratory at The Doherty, it could be diagnosed and cultured in the same laboratory, under high containment conditions.

The cells were fresh, just hours old, and Druce always has flasks prepared and waiting, in case something needs to be cultured.

Although he has decades of culturing experience, including world firsts, he says along with an element of luck, this time everything was aligned.

Capacity to pivot

Meantime Dr Steve Webb, an intensive care doctor from Royal Perth Hospital, was feeling the pressure too and was about to lead an international team in a massive effort to generate evidence so people with severe COVID-19 lung problems in ICU could be better treated.

In 2013, he and three colleagues had established an innovative trial platform that was able to simultaneously test several therapies for pneumonia.

The platform had an inbuilt capacity to pivot should the need arise. On January 17, 2020, it arose.

“I was sitting in the British Airways lounge at Heathrow, scrolling through my emails when I saw a confidential early alert, saying there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan.

“I knew we had to prepare for the possibility of a pandemic and on the plane home, I literally started work on the adaptations we needed to do to accommodate this virus.”

Although this global trial platform has 300 hospitals, the engine room where all the planning and execution occurs is based at Monash, where Webb holds an academic position.

 

"I knew we had to prepare for the possibility of a pandemic," says Steve Webb.  

For the past few years, he’s been leading the project funded by Andrew Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation.

That early alert was five days before the official transmission announcement, and since then the platform has delivered results for about five treatments. Two of them – corticosteroids and immune modulators – are effective for severe lung disease.

Identifying treatments that don’t work – some antivirals, blood thinners, and convalescent plasma – is equally important.

To date, this is the only trial to have identified the effective treatment of more than one agent for COVID-19.

It’s called the RemapCap which is mercifully short for “Randomised embedded multifactorial adaptive platform Community acquired pneumonia.”

Webb says there are lots more treatments in the testing pipeline, “although we never know what’s going to come out next".

Chance favours the preparedisement

While he was adjusting the RemapCap platform, researchers at The Doherty, Melbourne University and the Royal Melbourne Hospital were about to publish the first account in the world of how the immune system responds to COVID-19.

No one yet knew what was happening with this disease at the immune level, and in March, they published an account in the prestigious journal Nature Medicine.

They mapped the immune responses from a female patient in her 40s patient, showing her body’s ability to fight the virus and recover from the infection.

Once again, chance favoured the prepared. They had a platform that enables a biological sampling to take place in returned travellers in the event of an unexpected infectious disease outbreak.

Known as SETREP-ID, short for Sentinel Travellers and Research Preparedness for Emerging Infectious Disease, it has ethics and protocols in place, so when COVID-19 appeared, it was ready to go.

Single national approach

By the end of March, Australia was also ready to go with another innovation that the World Health Organisation, Canada, Germany and other countries are now following.

Australia was already a world leader in developing "living guidelines". These are based on the best up-to-date evidence and are regularly revised, almost in real time, to guide the care of patients.

They are very different to traditional clinical guidelines that take two years to develop and are then revised every five years or so.

 

The new guidelines are updated weekly and move at a speed never anticipated, says Professor Elliott Justin McManus.

Associate professor Julian Elliott, who leads the National COVID-19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce, says as the pandemic was gaining momentum, many organisations within Australia were developing their own guidelines and protocols for managing the disease.

“We were seeing a lot of duplication and conflicting guidelines which often produce confusion and anxiety in healthcare workers."

To head off impending disaster, the Taskforce moved quickly to develop a single true national approach. It started by drawing on the expertise of four peak professional groups.

Now there are 32 groups that work on a 100 per cent consensus model to create well targeted, nuanced recommendations that provide clear guidance, to those treating all forms of COVID-19 on the front line in Australia.

These COVID-19 guidelines are updated weekly and move at a speed never anticipated, in a new environment that is constantly changing.

Before March was out, the Royal College of Pathologists of Australasia had taken a global lead too, by developing the first quality assurance program to ensure accuracy of laboratory testing for COVID-19. It created a model since followed by many other countries.

Over these three crucial months, Australia demonstrated a readiness and a dexterity in science that has not been widely recognised.

It could be me, as I disallow any ads/third-party cookies, etc. So many ad-based websites ask me to pay to read.

As to the shareholder lawsuit, anyone from anywhere can sue in the US, as long as you have bought one share partially relying on the CEO's rather positive and explicit (in terms of dates and capability) interview. If you lead the class-action suit, you can get way more money than the money you put in in acquiring that one share. It's good "business" if one actually has the facts lined up. 

Now, continuing in my "racist" mode, i.e., the standard practice in the US of classifying and categorizing people by race/ethnicity/national origin, I note that although Professor Yong-Zhen Zhang from Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre and School of Public Health, Fudan University appears to be the one who contributed materially (if not most) to the sequencing effort and the release decision (which he could be negatively affected in China in a most material manner), all pictures in the article are only of the Australians. I otherwise commend all scientists and institutions involved in this effort.

If there is one complaint, I would say that the Chinese gov appears to have released the sequence officially without going through full peer review and vetting (at least that's the tone of the article). It is fine for individual scientists, such as Mr. Holmes and Mr. Zhang, to release their own findings before being peer reviewed (by Nature, for example, as noted in the article).  But for a government to release one without such vetting is irresponsible. I hope I am wrong here.

Good thing it turned out that everyone was correct in coming up with the sequence, and Moderna and the CDC was able to develop the vaccine in 48 hours relying on the one released by the Chinese gov. If you think from Moderna's perspective, do you rely on the sequence released by a few individual scientists that had not been peer-reviewed or the one officially released by a government? Can you imagine the lawsuit Moderna could be facing if it forged ahead on a sequence released by private parties before peer review?

The article also implies that the Chinese gov provided a sample of the virus to the Australians early on. Otherwise based on what were they doing this sequencing? 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2021 by PTakacs

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32 minutes ago, PTakacs said:

If there is one complaint, I would say that the Chinese gov appears to have released the sequence officially without going through full peer review and vetting (at least that's the tone of the article). It is fine for individual scientists, such as Mr. Holmes and Mr. Zhang, to release their own findings before being peer reviewed (by Nature, for example, as noted in the article).  But for a government to release one without such vetting is irresponsible. I hope I am wrong here.

 

 

 

I'd say it's just a gradual shift in how research is done in those fields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChhCC1EsSzE

The change in mindset matches what is already done in other fields (for example @ https://arxiv.org/). Of course, as with anything, it's a different set of tradeoffs.

 

Pros:

More eyeballs can improve quality.

Experimental data can be standardized in a form that is amenable to automatic validation and cross referencing. This is especially true with the protein data bank: http://pdb101.rcsb.org/motm/256

Allows refinement by getting feedback sooner.

More cross pollination between different scientific communities or academia/industry.

Easier interdisciplinary communication.

Reduction in waste/overhead, especially with pruning out journals that had dubious peer review quality. 

More transparency of what's out there.

 

Cons:

Maybe more variability in quality, at least initially.

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3 hours ago, Boat said:

Bat lovers everywhere have duped the world. Be a hero, kill a bat. To say kill only Chinese bats won’t end the danger.

When @Boat enters the discussion, the collective IQ goes down 50 points. Coincidence? Nah

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2 hours ago, PTakacs said:

No worries at all. My last sentence was just there to cover all angles. It was not my point. I knew yours was a quip about a technicality.

Unrelated rant: My wife and I both voted for Trump in the last election because we thought he was being treated unfairly by the media, which unfairness should not continue. She knew her vote was detrimental to her own interest, but thought that the concept of voting should be selfless -- one should sacrifice one's interest for the greater good. I personally thought that's a concept often promulgated in socialist/communist countries ...  In the US, voting IS to promote self interest. In fact, it is often the only chance one could equally (compared to people with more wealth/power) promote one's self interest.

My wife is Chinese and we know dozens of Chinese who are vehement in their support of Trump. Here's the drill. Those people left China to come to a free place, and once America isn't free (happening now) it's game over. Where in the world can we escape to? I know Chinese who cried bitter tears when Xiden was "selected" Resident of the White House. Virtually every Chinese I know have advanced degrees, mostly PhD's and are incredibly knowledgeable about world events, not limiting their input to the crap spewed by the MSM. A lifetime of living under the CCP has given them a very refined Bullshit detector, something Americans would do well to cultivate.

I call BS on the Costco story. Minorities of all kinds total less the 3% of the population where we live, so "evil whites" would be very safe in picking on them. But they don't. Obviously when I'm standing next to her no one even looks at her sideways but she's on her own plenty, no issues. Plus we have Asian looking children, likewise never a problem. The only part of your story I believe is that your wife is Asian (and likely not even Chinese). Change my mind. 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

My wife is Chinese and we know dozens of Chinese who are vehement in their support of Trump. Here's the drill. Those people left China to come to a free place, and once America isn't free (happening now) it's game over. Where in the world can we escape to? I know Chinese who cried bitter tears when Xiden was "selected" Resident of the White House. Virtually every Chinese I know have advanced degrees, mostly PhD's and are incredibly knowledgeable about world events, not limiting their input to the crap spewed by the MSM. A lifetime of living under the CCP has given them a very refined Bullshit detector, something Americans would do well to cultivate.

I call BS on the Costco story. Minorities of all kinds total less the 3% of the population where we live, so "evil whites" would be very safe in picking on them. But they don't. Obviously when I'm standing next to her no one even looks at her sideways but she's on her own plenty, no issues. Plus we have Asian looking children, likewise never a problem. The only part of your story I believe is that your wife is Asian (and likely not even Chinese). Change my mind. 

I find no reason to spend any effort to change your mind. I say this with all due respect. I only hope that you would not use those terms against any other Asian or Chinese Americans.  (Btw, why did you automatically assume it involved a white person? My wife didn't specify, and I on purpose didn't ask, because it really was irrelevant).

But I will tell you that my wife is actually glad (now) that Biden is elected. I am the same to some lesser degree. I also do not believe our nation's foundation rests on "freedom" because true freedom, by its very definition, is in essence anarchy.  As a matter of fact, we pride ourselves as being law-abiding and rule-based, and we value concepts such as heritage, traditions, and customs (that is, if you are more conservatively minded), all of which intentionally or unintentionally restrict people's freedom in its true sense. For example, when one says that "you should be more American", it strongly implies that the person should not enjoy the freedom of acting, say, French, Korean, or "worse", Chinese!

In other words, true freedom may not be what "freedom-lovers" actually want or appreciate. 

I also wanted to add that the Chinese-Americans I know who supported Trump did so not because he promoted "freedom" but because he promoted commerce and was against concepts such as Affirmative Action or teaching math in a "racially-equal manner". Many of them are business owners, and as you may be aware, fair opportunity to good education is also most important to Chinese/Asian Americans. See the current fight in SF regarding magnet school entrance exam/lottery. (Let me take this opportunity to circle back to my earlier concept that all students/applicants should be assigned just a number ...) 

 

 

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On 4/2/2021 at 11:58 AM, surrept33 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_thinking

The "haters" will always hate.  hate , hate.

Those that can think for themselves can see the obvious

TRUMP PUNCHES BACK A BIRX'S REVISIONIST COVID HISTORY

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1 hour ago, PTakacs said:

I find no reason to spend any effort to change your mind. I say this with all due respect. I only hope that you would not use those terms against any other Asian or Chinese Americans.  (Btw, why did you automatically assume it involved a white person? My wife didn't specify, and I on purpose didn't ask, because it really was irrelevant).

But I will tell you that my wife is actually glad (now) that Biden is elected. I am the same to some lesser degree. I also do not believe our nation's foundation rests on "freedom" because true freedom, by its very definition, is in essence anarchy.  As a matter of fact, we pride ourselves as being law-abiding and rule-based, and we value concepts such as heritage, traditions, and customs (that is, if you are more conservatively minded), all of which intentionally or unintentionally restrict people's freedom in its true sense. For example, when one says that "you should be more American", it strongly implies that the person should not enjoy the freedom of acting, say, French, Korean, or "worse", Chinese!

In other words, true freedom may not be what "freedom-lovers" actually want or appreciate. 

I also wanted to add that the Chinese-Americans I know who supported Trump did so not because he promoted "freedom" but because he promoted commerce and was against concepts such as Affirmative Action or teaching math in a "racially-equal manner". Many of them are business owners, and as you may be aware, fair opportunity to good education is also most important to Chinese/Asian Americans. See the current fight in SF regarding magnet school entrance exam/lottery. (Let me take this opportunity to circle back to my earlier concept that all students/applicants should be assigned just a number ...) 

Freedom deserves its own thread. For instance, to tie back to this thread, the freedom not to take an experimental vaccine with known deleterious side effects (which my wife suffered from). I know Chinese who escaped because they did not want to be limited to one child policy. Others for religious reasons. There are a million freedoms, the freedom to be an ass is only one of those. The most racist things I've ever heard directed at my wife and kids came from a black woman. All these assaults on Asians you're reading and hearing about recently have been perpetrated by blacks. The media is conveniently leaving that out of the "evil whites" narrative. 

I've never once even heard of someone uttering the phrase "you should be more American". That's a Strawman if there ever was one, "America" is the place you get to be an Irish American, Greek American, African American, Asian American and so on. If this place was as bad as those pretending it is, we wouldn't be seeing a million plus legal immigrants every year followed by half that amount illegally. 

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2 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Freedom deserves its own thread. For instance, to tie back to this thread, the freedom not to take an experimental vaccine with known deleterious side effects (which my wife suffered from). I know Chinese who escaped because they did not want to be limited to one child policy. Others for religious reasons. There are a million freedoms, the freedom to be an ass is only one of those. The most racist things I've ever heard directed at my wife and kids came from a black woman. All these assaults on Asians you're reading and hearing about recently have been perpetrated by blacks. The media is conveniently leaving that out of the "evil whites" narrative. 

I've never once even heard of someone uttering the phrase "you should be more American". That's a Strawman if there ever was one, "America" is the place you get to be an Irish American, Greek American, African American, Asian American and so on. If this place was as bad as those pretending it is, we wouldn't be seeing a million plus legal immigrants every year followed by half that amount illegally. 

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I would just say that money buys talents, always. A first-year associate's (i.e., someone just out of law school with zero experience) starting salary is now $190K plus bonus at any BigLaw firm in any major city here (they all pay based on the same publicized scale) -- if you move to a Toronto or London, your pay is halved immediately.  If you are an I-banker, you will make 2x in NYC vs London. If you are a doctor, you will make 3x here vs somewhere in France after residency. In Tech? The only other competitive place in terms of compensation is China, where they are using high salary to "steal" our talents.

Most of the legal immigrants come from Canada and Western Europe, not because of our freedom but because of our money! There are also sizeable immigrants from Japan and SKorea, and they are here not because of our "freedom" either.  As to the illegals, how many are here because of political/religious oppression and how many for economic reasons? Again, money walks, BS talks. America is the greatest because we pay the most.  It is good, because money buys talents, and talents make more money, for my country and me. 

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Do you know FBI's Operation Fiction Writer? One law firm alone was responsible for 3,500 asylum cases (involving 13,500 asylees from China) on fictitious stories of persecution made up by the lawyers. Before that, there was Robert Porges, who won 7,000 asylum cases for Chinese involving completely made up stories (that's ~21K asylees).  Such fake stories have been cited in Congressional Reports and heard in Congressional hearings. In the end, the immigration judges believed them so wholeheartedly that the real asylum applicants were advised to alter their real stories to follow the fakes! By the numbers, the fakes should have accounted for most of the granted cases (to Chinese) in those respective years. 

https://thecrimereport.org/2020/01/09/chinese-nationals-headed-list-of-asylum-approvals-in-2019/#:~:text=The case%2C dubbed Operation Fiction,persecution and submitting false documents.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/09/28/652218318/thousands-could-be-deported-as-government-targets-asylum-mills-clients 

"The claims have fallen into three buckets: persecution under the country's family planning policies, persecution by the government based on the person's religion — usually Christianity or their membership in the spiritual sect Falun Gong — or persecution by the government based on the person's activism in favor of democracy."

http://www.porges.net/FamilyTreesBiographies/RobertPorges.html#:~:text=A New York lawyer who,over the last seven years.

I am unfortunately a historian on Chinese asylum cases based on fabricated stories, due to a prior career. The issue is much bigger than the two law firms cited. My personal view is that most of the Chinese asylum cases granted are based on fake stories made up by law firms (mostly in NYC) specializing in such applications. 

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It is irrelevant people of which race are shouting "China Virus" or "Wuhan Virus" because it makes zero difference. For this very reason I did not ask my wife who shouted that to her. Those terms are just plainly and universally bad for Asian Americans, and that is the real point. 

But if you think those terms are somehow not bad for Asian Americans, do tell!

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I just thank the Lord for the current expectation of what "Freedom of Speech" has become.  

It was not always what we expect.

In the early 20th century, it was common for people to serve sentences for speaking out against the government, the draft, wars,the president, and similar.

Oliver Wendell Homes slowly changed that (and even changed his mind to do so) to what we now "enjoy" and expect.

Let the "marketplace of speech" rule.  

Unfortunately, social media gives some speech very large megaphones...

It has been found (at least on Twitter) that untruths spread 6 times faster and wider than truths.

The American "experiment" continues to evolve.

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On 4/13/2021 at 11:53 PM, PTakacs said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ceo-moderna-moment-first-realized-130100215.html

Edited Wednesday at 12:15 AM by PTakacs

That's a very interesting article/interview.

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1 minute ago, Dan Warnick said:

That's a very interesting article/interview.

To me, it shows the power of science, free of all the political BS.

I am also surprised that the government-run CDC had the same cutting-edge technology and came up with the same vaccine in the same timeframe. I guess my tax dollars are not all wasted.

 

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2 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

That's a very interesting article/interview.

Thanks to PTakacs and Dan for the interview. It took over a year to highlight the Cooporation of the Chinese and the importance of global collaboration on global problems. My instinct is to bash political leaders but today let’s just be grateful that underneath politics there are good people working on good things for the sake of humanity.

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4 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

That's a very interesting article/interview.

mRNA tech is going to change the world in ways that haven't broken through to public attention. I'm assuming it's cognitive dissonance, the fountain of youth is believed to be impossible so the reality of it existing is ignored.

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People worshipping at the altar of mRNA have neglected the single, critical missing link of RNA. Because it isn't a double helix structure, it has no inherent error correction. Error correction happens to be a pet peeve of mine due to my prior life designing high end IP to accomplish seemingly miraculous recovery of flawed transmission by algorithmic reconstruction via forward error correction. DNA had us beat 1000's to one. Millions of replications with zero transcription errors. RNA on the other hand can start generating errors in a dozen replications.

Let's talk about these miracle mRNA "treatments". A gene spliced modified RNA virus custom tuned to (like "normal" viruses) hijack healthy cells' reproductive systems and generate more of themselves, with a virtual guarantee that the "recipe" will mutate in dozens of replications. All to "cure" a virus with a 0.003% death rate in healthy people, but oh, by the way, the efficacy of the vaccine is unknown. Testing showed 95% but there was no control for exposure, so for all anyone knew 5% of the volunteers were exposed to the real virus and 100% of them caught the disease. 

Fun little factoid. There is not one healthy baby in the world born to a mother who has taken this experimental treatment.  Not one. Miscarriages are up 370% over last year in all pregnancies but nothing in the statistics indicated how many of them were mothers who took the vaccine. What if those numbers approach 100%? Bill Gates would be thrilled right @Dan Warnick?

Edited April 17, 2021 by Ward Smith

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13 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Fun little factoid. There is not one healthy baby in the world born to a mother who has taken this experimental treatment.  Not one. Miscarriages are up 370% over last year in all pregnancies but nothing in the statistics indicated how many of them were mothers who took the vaccine. What if those numbers approach 100%? Bill Gates would be thrilled right @Dan Warnick?

This was an easy find.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-born-covid-antibodies-moderna-vaccine/

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On 4/16/2021 at 4:57 PM, Ward Smith said:

Freedom deserves its own thread. For instance, to tie back to this thread, the freedom not to take an experimental vaccine with known deleterious side effects (which my wife suffered from). I know Chinese who escaped because they did not want to be limited to one child policy. Others for religious reasons. There are a million freedoms, the freedom to be an ass is only one of those. The most racist things I've ever heard directed at my wife and kids came from a black woman. All these assaults on Asians you're reading and hearing about recently have been perpetrated by blacks. The media is conveniently leaving that out of the "evil whites" narrative. 

I've never once even heard of someone uttering the phrase "you should be more American". That's a Strawman if there ever was one, "America" is the place you get to be an Irish American, Greek American, African American, Asian American and so on. If this place was as bad as those pretending it is, we wouldn't be seeing a million plus legal immigrants every year followed by half that amount illegally. 

Ward you are correct.  But dont say it too loudly or you will be cancelled.  The majority of the increase in Black-on-Asian violence in the last year has occurred in two metropolitan areas .  Those being San Fran/Oakland and New York City.  This problem has been around for at least 15 years. The attacks have increased in the last year because people are not working and are desperate.  ALL CRIME IS UP THIS LAST YEAR !

I remember local news stations in NYC reporting on it ten to fifteen years ago.  One episode talked of the attack on Korean immigrants in the Jackson Heights neighborhood.  The explanation they gave was some theory about envy of the successful small businesses and bodegas started by Korean immigrants.

Attached is an artical reposted in SF_Gate.com in 2019 (before the 2021 Chinese Virus) it was an article originally published in the San Fracisco Chronical in 2010 :  "Our Dirty Secret of Black  on Asian Violence'        They talk about several theories as to the reasons. 

In the end the Mainstream Media attempt to paint Trump a racist will succeed as they have intimidated the entire country.  Agree or you will be 'cancelled" .

The Folks need someone to standup with conviction in order to stop this Democrat Authoritarian Power Grab. Someone like Sir Thomas Moore, A Man (women) For All Seasons. Most U.S. Senate and House Republicans have no principles, no backbone.  

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php

The haters will keep hating.  The Democrat Party including Joe Biden are driving the U.S. further and further apart.  Do you think they know or care how it will end ?  It won't be pretty. 

This hate and derision has to stop.

Edited April 18, 2021 by Roch

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9 hours ago, turbguy said:

This was an easy find.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-born-covid-antibodies-moderna-vaccine/

Technically a half dose doesn't count as having "taken the vaccine". However your link points to others. I admit, I only looked at the peer reviewed sources and none of these are peer reviewed yet. The miscarriages number still stands, rebuttal for that? 

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1 hour ago, Roch said:

Ward you are correct.  But dont say it to loudly or you will be cancelled.  The majority of increase in Black-on-Asian violence in the last year has occurred mostly in two metropolitan areas .  Those being San Fran/Oakland and New York City.  This problem has been around for at least 15 years. The attacks have increasewd in last year because people are not working and are despoerate.  ALL CRIME IS UP THIS LAST YEAR !

I rember nightly local news stations in NYC reporting on it ten to fifteen years ago.  One episode talked of the attack on Korean immigrants in the Jackson Hieghts neighborhood.  The explantion they gave was some theory about envy of the successful small businesses started by Korean immigrants.

Attached is an artical reposted in SF_Gate.com in 2019 (before the 2021 Chinese Virus) it was an article originally published in the San Fracisco Chronical in 2010 :  "Our Dirty Secret of Black  on Asian Violence'        They talk about several theories as to the reasons.  In the end the Mainstream Media attempt tp paint Trump a racist will succeed as they have intimadated the entire country.  Agree or you will be 'cancelled" . The Folks need someone to standup with conviction in order to stop this Democrat Authoritarian Power Grab. Someone like Sir Thomas Moore, A Man (women) For All Seasons. Most U.S. Senate and House Republicans have no principles, no backbone.  

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php

The haters keep hating.  The Democrat Party including Joe Biden is driving the U.S. father and farther apart.  Do you think they know how it will end ?  Nope.

This has to stop.

 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Technically a half dose doesn't count as having "taken the vaccine". However your link points to others. I admit, I only looked at the peer reviewed sources and none of these are peer reviewed yet. The miscarriages number still stands, rebuttal for that? 

Half a dose is better than none,IMO.

As for a rebuttal, I you can utilize avoidance of health care to explain the great increase excess deaths, I can do the same, no?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02618-5

 

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by turbguy

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Technically a half dose doesn't count as having "taken the vaccine". However your link points to others. I admit, I only looked at the peer reviewed sources and none of these are peer reviewed yet. The miscarriages number still stands, rebuttal for that? 

Half a dose is better than none,IMO.

As for a rebuttal, If you can utilize avoidance of health care to explain the gross increase excess deaths, I can do the same, no?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02618-5

I don't know WHAT happened in the prior post.  Web site screw-up??  Or me??

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[PTakacs + 59]

16 hours ago, Roch said:

Ward you are correct.  But dont say it too loudly or you will be cancelled.  The majority of the increase in Black-on-Asian violence in the last year has occurred in two metropolitan areas .  Those being San Fran/Oakland and New York City.  This problem has been around for at least 15 years. The attacks have increased in the last year because people are not working and are desperate.  ALL CRIME IS UP THIS LAST YEAR !

I remember local news stations in NYC reporting on it ten to fifteen years ago.  One episode talked of the attack on Korean immigrants in the Jackson Heights neighborhood.  The explanation they gave was some theory about envy of the successful small businesses and bodegas started by Korean immigrants.

Attached is an artical reposted in SF_Gate.com in 2019 (before the 2021 Chinese Virus) it was an article originally published in the San Fracisco Chronical in 2010 :  "Our Dirty Secret of Black  on Asian Violence'        They talk about several theories as to the reasons. 

In the end the Mainstream Media attempt to paint Trump a racist will succeed as they have intimidated the entire country.  Agree or you will be 'cancelled" .

The Folks need someone to standup with conviction in order to stop this Democrat Authoritarian Power Grab. Someone like Sir Thomas Moore, A Man (women) For All Seasons. Most U.S. Senate and House Republicans have no principles, no backbone.  

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php

The haters will keep hating.  The Democrat Party including Joe Biden are driving the U.S. further and further apart.  Do you think they know or care how it will end ?  It won't be pretty. 

This hate and derision has to stop.

The very act of categorizing racists by race is by definition racism. Only victims can reasonably be categorized by race, as evidence of racism.

The ongoing anti-Asian racism is not just a current event. It is a continuation of "yellow peril", the Chinese Massacre of 1871, the Chinese Exclusion Act, the Rock Springs massacre, San Francisco plague outbreak, the Watsonville riots against Filipino Americans, the Japanese Internment Camps, the murder of Vincent Chin, etc. Worse still, for Asian-Americans there was never a Civil Rights movement. 

If you compare some of the rhetoric today (from all kinds of people) to that published in support of the Chinese Exclusion Act, you will find many things in common. In fact, you can lift some of the old rhetoric and republish it today, and be very popular and win many votes! It is completely meaningless to distinguish anti-Asian racism by race -- they are all equal participants -- because our aggregated history is right here. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/03/18/history-anti-asian-violence-racism/

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by PTakacs