footeab@yahoo.com + 2,191 January 9, 2022 11 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Again, Jay, you are only looking at sales changes, which still show ICE vehicles outselling EVs, and still showing that EVs must still be a very tiny percentage of a percentage of 1% of vehicles in use. Sorry, that does not make the grade. I don't get you Eco... Who cares about percentages? You shouldn't. Do Electric Vehicles have lower maintenance costs? Yes. Do most people never drive all that far in Europe/Japan/SE ASIA? Yes Does Europe/Japan/SE Asia have oil? No. Does Europe/Japan/SE Asia have NG? No Do most people in the USA never drive all that far? Yes Are Battery vehicles limiting? Yes and no you will not be going off roading in the western USA or Asia on a BEV. But Eastern USA? Yes Do most people own 2 cars where 1 car is a town car only? Yes Can most people charge their cars at home in the USA? Yes In European townhousing or apartment/condoes in USA... With much greater difficulty Can a few who live in desert climates create the power to charge their car at home? Yes Anyone who lives in such a climate who does NOT charge at home is a blithering economic MORON even at today's EV/Solar prices Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL January 9, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Not in a few years. You should feel privileged. You get to observe first hand one of the great economic transitions of history. But then we have lived through quite a few in our life times. But for some reason you think this one will fail. You truly are the guy who thought the steamboat in 1807 was folly, the ICE car in 1912 would fail, and that there was no demand for computers in the 1940s. You are in for quite a lesson in economics. Another non sequitur, you seem to love loose logic, no surprise. In a few years, the climate hysteria will be over, another peculiar interlude in the twists and turns of mistaken prognostication. Edited January 9, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL January 9, 2022 (edited) The economic self-strangulation of Green governments is playing out in Britain, where a combination of wild climate panic and a government wedded to foolish Green policies has created a war of attrition against the well-being of the British people. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Energy-Crisis-Is-Sending-Shockwaves-Through-The-UK-Economy.html "Investec think the price cap will increase 56 percent in, raising the average energy bill from £1,277 to around £2,000 per year. The result of the UK’s energy market undergoing a bout of volatility is a severe squeeze on households’ real incomes. The Resolution Foundation, an economic think tank, has warned a combination of looming tax hikes, rip roaring inflation and higher energy costs will erode Brits’ living standards, prompting the organisaiton to dub 2022 the “year of the squeeze”. The burden of a higher cost of living will predominantly fall on lower income households as they tend to spend a greater proportion of their income on essentials." Edited January 9, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 9, 2022 https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-12-31/lawsuit-seeks-to-block-2-geothermal-power-plants-in-nevada 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 9, 2022 16 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: PEV sales just keep skyrocketing and ICE sales collapsing. Looks like PEV will pass pure ICE in a few months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 9, 2022 17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Germany Plug-in EV sales reach 36%! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 January 9, 2022 7 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said: Well, this seems unfortunate. I wonder why Jay doesn't own a Tesla yet? He's one of the 95% who won't be buying an EV. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38698676/does-anyone-want-an-electric-car/ MORE ELECTRIC CAR NEWS. Who the Hell Is Going to Buy a Lucid? The Tesla Model S Plaid Isn't All About Lunacy Lucid Air Is So Good It Should Make Tesla Sweat Deloitte’s touchingly named “2022 Global Automotive Consumer Study” goes into granular detail about the buyer expectations that will drive the automotive market in the coming years. It’s all based on a survey of 26,000 consumers in 25 countries. R&T has been reliably informed one of those countries is the United States, which is still located in North America. The whole report is available at this link as a PDF. Much of what Deloitte reports is unsurprising. People still vastly prefer personal vehicles over public transportation; are willing to embrace high technology as long as they don’t have to pay for it; that they still want to buy new vehicles in person and not over the internet; and that they’re fine with electric vehicles as long as they’re affordable and at least as good as those relying on internal combustion. The big insights come with the subject of intentionality. That is what consumers expect to buy next. In the U.S. fully 69 percent of consumers expect their next vehicle to be powered by internal combustion. Another 22 percent will go for some sort of hybrid. But still, amid all this, only about five percent of Americans expect their next vehicle will be a fully-electric, battery-fueled machine. “Buyers expect their vehicles to be affordable,” explains Ryan Robinson, Deloitte’s Automotive Research Leader. “Fully 74 percent of those intending to buy an electric expect their next vehicle to cost less than $50,000. With the average price of a new vehicle already approaching $40,000 that’s a very narrow band for electrics.” Right now, many of the electrics on the market are what Robinson describes as “halo” products. That’s to say premium vehicles that attract attention and sell at high prices, but aren’t intended to sell in huge volumes to average buyers. Will there be affordable and attractive electrics? Good question. Governments are driving forward with aggressive plans for converting the vehicle fleet to alternative fuels. What prominently emerges from the Deloitte report is that ambitions are one thing, and reality is something else. Other countries are more eager for EVs. In South Korea, for example, 23 percent of buyers anticipate next buying an electric. In China it’s 17 percent. In almost all countries, hybrids and plug-in hybrids seem to be gaining traction as alternatives to pure ICEs.... “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” ― Henry Ford These surveys are useless. You don't need to convince the whole market to buy your product, just the next marginal slice of the market. As your market share grows so does the number of consumers who want to buy your product. EV production in the US doesn't even come close to satisfying the demand for the high end of the market. As production grows we will see more lower priced vehicles which in turn will drive more demand. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 9, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 1:59 AM, Jay McKinsey said: The bitcoin fad is being taken over by the next shiny thing- NFTs. Non fungible. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,324 RG January 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Another non sequitur, you seem to love loose logic, no surprise. In a few years, the climate hysteria will be over, another peculiar interlude in the twists and turns of mistaken prognostication. I don’t think EV’s being greener attracts drivers because of the climate. Stinky, hot running on a summer day, maintenance, breathing toxins in traffic……drum roll……power and speed. Who doesn’t love to floor it and fly down the road. In my youth I owned a Nissan 300 ZX. That dog would hunt. 😎 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE January 10, 2022 You know what wastes a huge amount of electricity? ICE vehicles! During this cold snap everywhere you look there are block heaters plugged in, and they are not even charging a battery... just literally heating the world so the ICE might start... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL January 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: You know what wastes a huge amount of electricity? ICE vehicles! During this cold snap everywhere you look there are block heaters plugged in, and they are not even charging a battery... just literally heating the world so the ICE might start... Yeah. Those block heaters sure use a ton of electricity.... 🤪 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE January 10, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said: Yeah. Those block heaters sure use a ton of electricity.... 🤪 They are around 1000W (so yes a ton). Remember the energy is entirely wasted. Was that an attempt at rebuttal? Try again using numbers and your best words. Edited January 10, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL January 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: You know what wastes a huge amount of electricity? ICE vehicles! During this cold snap everywhere you look there are block heaters plugged in, and they are not even charging a battery... just literally heating the world so the ICE might start... Just think about how much electricity would be wasted if we didn't have natural gas heating in Canada, dipstick. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE January 10, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said: Just think about how much electricity would be wasted if we didn't have natural gas heating in Canada, dipstick. Non-sequitur Try again. Your truck doesn't need to be warm at night to stay alive. Furthermore, gas heat is far cheaper than electric heat. Double stupid. Edited January 10, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,246 er January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: You know what wastes a huge amount of electricity? ICE vehicles! During this cold snap everywhere you look there are block heaters plugged in, and they are not even charging a battery... just literally heating the world so the ICE might start... No need to plug in a gasoline engine in -40 degree temps unless your engine is crapped out. Diesel on the other hand you bet yer ass ya best plug in. In extreme cold you could burn a few watts or let engine idle all night. Gallon an hour on a modern diesel to idle an hour. 4.00 dollars a gallon as to 1000 watt heater....cheaper to plug in for the night. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL January 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” ― Henry Ford These surveys are useless. You don't need to convince the whole market to buy your product, just the next marginal slice of the market. As your market share grows so does the number of consumers who want to buy your product. EV production in the US doesn't even come close to satisfying the demand for the high end of the market. As production grows we will see more lower priced vehicles which in turn will drive more demand. You won't see that, because right now governments are driving whatever limited demand exists for pure EVs, and government assistance in the form of subsidies and tax breaks. Five years from now or sooner, the whole perception of what drives climate change will itself change, and remove the lighted fire under frightened governments and panicked people. Game changer and game ender. Oh, and last February in 2021 was the coldest February in 37 years. When the weather gets cold, it is not due to global warming. Edited January 10, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: You know what wastes a huge amount of electricity? ICE vehicles! During this cold snap everywhere you look there are block heaters plugged in, and they are not even charging a battery... just literally heating the world so the ICE might start... You do have a garage, right? I have one, and I park my car in it....it works just fine. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 January 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: You won't see that, because right now governments are driving whatever limited demand exists for pure EVs, and government assistance in the form of subsidies and tax breaks. Five years from now or sooner, the whole perception of what drives climate change will itself change, and remove the lighted fire under frightened governments and panicked people. Game changer and game ender. Oh, and last February in 2021 was the coldest February in 37 years. When the weather gets cold, it is not due to global warming. Texas Could Experience Warmest Winter In 130 Years Not only is it by far the warmest December since the beginning of comprehensive weather records, it will probably also turn out to be the warmest winter month, period https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/09/world-economic-forum-texas-could-experience-warmest-winter-in-130-years/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE January 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said: No need to plug in a gasoline engine in -40 degree temps unless your engine is crapped out. Diesel on the other hand you bet yer ass ya best plug in. In extreme cold you could burn a few watts or let engine idle all night. Gallon an hour on a modern diesel to idle an hour. 4.00 dollars a gallon as to 1000 watt heater....cheaper to plug in for the night. I give diesels a bit of a pass on idling, which generally annoys me greatly. People at remote locations almost never turn them off for good reason... failure to start could mean hypothermia or death. If your gas ICE doesn't start at -40 it's probably because your battery is over 6-7 years old and it froze. I slept in my car running once. 7 hours burnt less than 1/10th of a tank of gas. Edited January 10, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE January 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: You do have a garage, right? I have one, and I park my car in it....it works just fine. Indeed, but it is heated with natural gas - cheaper than electricity. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL January 10, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Texas Could Experience Warmest Winter In 130 Years Not only is it by far the warmest December since the beginning of comprehensive weather records, it will probably also turn out to be the warmest winter month, period https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/09/world-economic-forum-texas-could-experience-warmest-winter-in-130-years/ Never mind what "could" happen. Here is what is actually happening, https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/12/30/will-end-with-snow-cold/ "There will be snow and cold temperatures as 2021 comes to an end, and more snow and even colder temperatures as 2022 begins, according to the National Weather Service. There’s a 60% chance of snow in Salt Lake City on Thursday afternoon, with maybe half an inch of accumulation — and more in other areas. On Thursday night that chance rises to 90%, with 2-4 more inches possible, and temperatures will dip to the low 20s overnight. It’s not going to get a lot warmer than that on Friday. The forecast high in Salt Lake City is just 28, and up to 6 inches of snow could fall. And it will get really cold on New Year’s Eve — an overnight low of 11 is expected. The extreme cold will persist on New Year’s Day, with a daytime high of 19 and an overnight low of 7 on Saturday. That’s considerably below normal for this time of the year. According to the National Weather Service, in Salt Lake City the average high for New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day is 37, and the average overnight low is 24. (The record high on Dec. 31 was 62 in 1996; the record low was -7 in 1990. The record high on Jan. 1 was 58 in 1997; the record low as -4 in 1974.)" Edited January 10, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 January 10, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Here is what is actually happening, https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/12/30/will-end-with-snow-cold/ "There will be snow and cold temperatures as 2021 comes to an end, and more snow and even colder temperatures as 2022 begins, according to the National Weather Service. There’s a 60% chance of snow in Salt Lake City on Thursday afternoon, with maybe half an inch of accumulation — and more in other areas. On Thursday night that chance rises to 90%, with 2-4 more inches possible, and temperatures will dip to the low 20s overnight. It’s not going to get a lot warmer than that on Friday. The forecast high in Salt Lake City is just 28, and up to 6 inches of snow could fall. And it will get really cold on New Year’s Eve — an overnight low of 11 is expected. The extreme cold will persist on New Year’s Day, with a daytime high of 19 and an overnight low of 7 on Saturday. That’s considerably below normal for this time of the year. According to the National Weather Service, in Salt Lake City the average high for New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day is 37, and the average overnight low is 24. (The record high on Dec. 31 was 62 in 1996; the record low was -7 in 1990. The record high on Jan. 1 was 58 in 1997; the record low as -4 in 1974.)" Texas had the warmest December in 130 years. That actually happened. Your weather report is 10 days old. Here is the current forecast for SLC, highs are all well above freezing. https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/b565aa4d4c1111a09ad8c1ede054636671f50d38757a6527b35d96b987ef86a8 Edited January 10, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL January 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Texas had the warmest December in 130 years. That actually happened. Your weather report is 10 days old. Here is the current forecast for SLC, highs are all well above freezing. https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/b565aa4d4c1111a09ad8c1ede054636671f50d38757a6527b35d96b987ef86a8 The real February is coming soon. Weather forecasts are usually accompanied by a short "best before" date. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL January 10, 2022 (edited) Cold, cold everywhere..... https://tass.com/society/1371197 "On Monday, temperatures will range from minus 16 to minus 18 degrees Celsius (3.2 to minus 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit) in St. Petersburg and between minus 15 and minus 20 degrees Celsius (minus 5 to minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit) in the Leningrad region. "That said, the average daily temperature will be 16 to 17 degrees lower than normal," Leus noted." Edited January 10, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM January 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Cold, cold everywhere..... https://tass.com/society/1371197 "On Monday, temperatures will range from minus 16 to minus 18 degrees Celsius (3.2 to minus 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit) in St. Petersburg and between minus 15 and minus 20 degrees Celsius (minus 5 to minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit) in the Leningrad region. "That said, the average daily temperature will be 16 to 17 degrees lower than normal," Leus noted." you love to cherry pick facts....you find one that fits your bs Babble and post it..... here is the worlds latest report .....on a global basis.... I will let you post January and February, when they come out, from the same site.........Can you stand to eat crow? PS please note the global average temperature..........4th highest on record.......December will be in the top 3? Edited January 10, 2022 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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