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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

Report recommends no new coal plants for India as prospects for batteries improve

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

Jharia Coal mine India ‘can’t escape’ coal phasedown, needs funding to drive just transition for 33 million workers. Image: TripodStories- AB, CC BY-SA 4.0

 

 
2 minute read Jan. 31, 2022

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

“The committee, headed by former Central Electricity Authority (CEA) chair Gireesh Pradhan, found the addition of low-cost renewable energy capacity would handle the expected growth in electricity demand,” the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA) reports. “It also found the overall coal fleet was underutilised, averaging 55 per cent capacity utilisation,” though that capacity factor will improve as demand rises.

The report calls for India to replace retired coal capacity with 450 gigawatts (GW) of “variable renewables” capacity by 2030, writes IEEFA Energy Finance Analyst Kashish Shah, with peak power supplied through a combination of batteries and pumped storage, conventional gas and coal, and hydropower.

Many other jurisdictions have looked to gas-fired power plants, with their flexibility to ramp up and down quickly, to meet peak demand. But Shah says a lack of domestic supply has kept gas plants and India to a utilisation rate below 20 per cent.

And now, gas isn’t the only option to accommodate sudden changes in demand. “In terms of flexibility, battery storage is the most proven technology to provide fast ramp-up and ramp-down energy dispatch and fast frequency service,” he writes. “Batteries ramp up to full load in a minute and can also absorb excess power from the grid.”

With system costs falling fast over the last decade, Shah says solar+storage is cost-competitive with new coal plants and “burgeoning” in the United States and Australia. And recent market and regulatory changes could bring those trends to India, as well.

“ReNew Power, one of the biggest renewable energy developers in India, and Fluence Energy, a leading battery technology provider, have announced a joint venture to develop a 150-MWh storage facility in Karnataka,” he reports. “The cost of batteries could reduce further with local manufacture,” and government support is on the way to help build up localised battery value chains.

This story was published with permission from The Energy Mix.

Sure... Some idiot think tank "recommends"....

India is RAMPING UP Coal production by 80%, and is already up 7% this year. 

You need to keep playing A certain Eurythmics songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg

Enjoy, its a good song.  Seems it is your anthem. 

Now since they are near equator... Yes, Solar + battery is quite possible for them... in the LONG LONG LONG term. 

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Winter storms like in Texas are avoidable by having some clue. Sweden manages somehow? So, Texas is too far south already.

It's a matter of priorities.  Sweden's grid would crash by April on it's way into the maximum summer cooling season in August due to excess demand if it had to cope with the same general electricity load structure that Texas did. They are two totally different systems set up to deal with very different demands.  My 2 cents:  The population and electricity generation profile of the state of Texas had grown a LOT and changed a lot since the last time there was a cold weather event.  It had been nearly 20 years since a storm like that hit the state.  The population then was just over 20 million, and now it's about 29 million.  That's a big change, and the electricial grid kept pace with major changes also.  Since the weaknesses identified last year, they made adjustments, and this time around it won't be nearly the same sort of issue, because a lot of lessons have been learned. 

to put it in perspective, a day when the entire state of Texas is below freezing during the coldest part of the night is as common as a day in Sweden where the entire country sees temperatures over 85 F (30C ) in the warmest part of the day.  The weather plays an enormous factor in what the grid is prepared for. 

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On 1/27/2022 at 10:16 AM, Eyes Wide Open said:

The severity of the energy crisis in the EU is being severely hidden by the press

 It is my own opinion it is the very foundation for Putin barnstorming the Ukraine. Where else in the world is the EU going to get gas to power their grid. The guy is bullet proof and he is well aware of it.

This green movement is virtually pulling back the world to medieval times.

Where Is Germany in the Ukraine Standoff? Its Allies Wonder.

Germany’s allies have begun to question what price Berlin is prepared to pay to deter Russia, and even its reliability as an ally, as it wavers on tough measures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/25/world/europe/germany-russia-nato-ukraine.html

I repeat, Putin is doing absolutely nothing to Ukraine. This whole story is entirely invented by your press.

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2 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

I repeat, Putin is doing absolutely nothing to Ukraine. This whole story is entirely invented by your press.

You can see the Russian troop movements on YouTube, lol. Your so silly. They are not mad yet. No dicks in their hands and dancing yet. When we see that, we’ll know their serious. 

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27 minutes ago, Boat said:

You can see the Russian troop movements on YouTube, lol. Your so silly. They are not mad yet. No dicks in their hands and dancing yet. When we see that, we’ll know their serious. 

They are always troop movements in Russia. The ones you do see  on YouTube are only the ones they want you to see.

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On 1/31/2022 at 5:43 PM, Eric Gagen said:

Worse yet, much of the housing stock in Europe is old - like hundreds of years old.  Retrofitting buildings like that to meet modern insulation standards is such a massive project that I don't believe any significant effort has ever been made.  The number of them is too large just to knock them all down and start over, and they are too strategically located to simply abandon them and start over in some other location.  These are all strategies the US uses to weed out obsolete building stock, but Europe hasn't' really done it for a variety of reasons, beyond the wholesale random destruction that took place in WWII.  

 

USA uses termites and larger varmint like nesting coons and squirrels to churn the housing stock. :) A building that is still around after hundreds of years is probably worth insulating for a few hundreds more.

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36 minutes ago, Boat said:

Just remember Obama preached nat gas as the bridge fuel and nothing to stop flaring. Dems love nat gas. Don’t try to invent an enemy. 

Obama was helpful to natural gas but not N.G. vehicles. Nor did they release information on a home natural gas pump that was .planned to cost under $500. Millions were given to Texas Tech and a large leading pump manufacturer for its development. 

The Biden administration has been a negative force to oil and gas production. They have shut off natural gas leases on federal land. That land belongs to american citizens as a whole. They have also canceled a pipeline that is badly needed in New England, causing high prices there.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/01/05/joe-biden-administration-federal-energy-regulatory-commission-new-england-natural-gas-plant/

Biden Administration Blocks Natural Gas Project In New England

President Biden Meets Virtually With Farmers To Discuss Meat Prices

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On 4/23/2021 at 3:29 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

No, you are smelling Texas. By August California will have 2GW of new battery storage online since last August. That is more than the power shortage that led to our rolling blackouts.

And yet those rolling blackouts will continue to grow in scope an frequency.  The Gumps at the Bill Mill Love to tout their "Eco" cred while Ignoring the Fact they Refuse to invest or Allow investment in the grid.  The infrastructure in place is barely handling the load as is.  Let alone all the new connections that will be mandated by Gov Newnuthin an his Legislative lackeys.  But why should they worry, when termed out they'll up an move to FL or TX and enjoy watching CA implode under the weight of their Stupidity!

Not to mention the Net OUT Migration that is hitting CA in the ole pocketbook as Companies and People Leave for other states to escape the Mental furballs in the Bill Mill.  But no worries, ole Newnuthin plans to Tax them for the next 10 years lest they think they'll escape the Stupidity...

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17 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

So far, a non-event, given overall demand growth in coal that they also mention. A whole lot of large Indian projects gets cancelled due to lack of funding, not only energy. This is how things are always done over there. Are nukes "thermal?" India is also building up on nukes.

 A whole lot of large Indian projects gets cancelled due to lack of funding, not only energy???? Nearly every coal project cancelled , nearly every solar project built to completion. Says it all. Why are you babbling about Nukes??? the topic is Peak Coal. 

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5 hours ago, Prometheus1354 said:

And yet those rolling blackouts will continue to grow in scope an frequency. ,,,Ignoring the Fact they Refuse to invest or Allow investment in the grid.

Yet there haven't been any more rolling black outs in California. Try joining us in reality.

We are investing large sums in our grid, for example:

The CPUC's 11.5 GW clean energy procurement order is the largest such directive from the agency at once, prompting CPUC Commissioner Clifford Rechtschaffen to refer to it as “a landmark decision,” during the June agency meeting where it was approved. 

"This is enough to power about 2.5 million households in the state," Rechtschaffen said. 

The order requires load-serving entities to bring on a minimum of 2,000 MW of new resources by mid-2023, another 6,000 MW by 2024, and increments of 1,500 MW and 2,000 MW in 2025 and 2026. Of that, PG&E has been tasked with procuring at least 2,302 MW between 2023 and 2026. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/pge-proposes-64-gwh-battery-storage-plan-in-response-to-californias-115/617646/

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23 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

Their article is sourced - they may have a bias or objective in their reporting, but unless you believe what they are reporting is factually wrong, it doesn't really matter.  I did a quick google search, and Reuters, and the Indian NEP (sort of their version of the IEA) are both saying that a plan to stop construction of new coal fired plants is may be adopted.  It's real news regardless of the source.

It's a recommendation by the minister of renewable energy. Of course that's his stance. 

Recommendations for stopping coal/NG are irrelevant from renewables proponents. 

Don't be so obtuse. 

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yet there haven't been any more rolling black outs in California. Try joining us in reality.

You just had them this past summer you pedantic geriatric moron. That was reality. That's going to happen every summer for California. 

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2 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

You just had them this past summer you pedantic geriatric moron. That was reality. That's going to happen every summer for California. 

We have had no rolling blackouts since August of 2020 dufus. 

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10 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

It's a recommendation by the minister of renewable energy. Of course that's his stance. 

Recommendations for stopping coal/NG are irrelevant from renewables proponents. 

Don't be so obtuse. 

It's already the position of the minister of renewable energy.  That's not the news we are discussing.  The news is that this may be the final  determination and national policy for India as a whole.  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/india-mulls-policy-to-halt-new-coal-fired-power-plants-et-says

 

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28 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

It's already the position of the minister of renewable energy.  That's not the news we are discussing.  The news is that this may be the final  determination and national policy for India as a whole.  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/india-mulls-policy-to-halt-new-coal-fired-power-plants-et-says

 

Yeah. I just said that. 

Grain of salt, and all that. 

They're considering it, not doing it. 

That's the entire fallacy of the @notsonice argument. 

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12 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Yeah. I just said that. 

Grain of salt, and all that. 

They're considering it, not doing it. 

That's the entire fallacy of the @notsonice argument. 

Yes, but uncertainties, and speculation are what a forum thrives on!  If everyone agreed about everything, and all news releases were simple to understand, factual and without controversy there would be nothing to talk about!

 

IMHO the fact that they India is even considering it seriously is an indicator of how seriously and quickly things are changing. 

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Here's a topic that will garnish some attention. I believe the timing could not be better. With the EU failing at every turn in regards to green, it may very well be another blunder the progressive liberal party can hang on their mantle.

 

EPA objects to US Postal Service plan to buy a new gas-powered delivery fleet

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/epa-urges-usps-halt-to-gas-delivery-truck-purchase-153248945.html

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3 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

Yes, but uncertainties, and speculation are what a forum thrives on!  If everyone agreed about everything, and all news releases were simple to understand, factual and without controversy there would be nothing to talk about!

 

IMHO the fact that they India is even considering it seriously is an indicator of how seriously and quickly things are changing. 

What, like India hasn't made amazing leaps in the last 20 years, or something? 

Their green energy failures will cause the same issues as everywhere else, except their population is much poorer than the west so the pain will be felt much more acutely. 

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29 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Here's a topic that will garnish some attention. I believe the timing could not be better. With the EU failing at every turn in regards to green, it may very well be another blunder the progressive liberal party can hang on their mantle.

 

EPA objects to US Postal Service plan to buy a new gas-powered delivery fleet

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/epa-urges-usps-halt-to-gas-delivery-truck-purchase-153248945.html

Remember when you claimed that US EV sales would begin to decline in January?

Ford's Record-Breaking EV Sales

The United States automaker further boasted that it kicked off the first month of 2022 with its record-breaking sales record.

Ford claims that its EV sales have grown four times faster than the industry standards. To be precise, the carmaker says that its January 2022 numbers are up by an impressive 167.2 percent when compared to its performance the same month in 2021.

Engadget noted in the same news story that the total number of EV units sold in the first month of 2022 is 13,169 units.

Ford EVs

It is interesting to point out that the only EV of Ford that is currently available is the Mustang Mach-E, according to a report by Teslarati.

The electric SUV has already booked 2,370 sales for Jan. 2022.

On the other hand, the sought-after F-150 Lightning and the E-Transit van got the remaining share of the pie.

Ford added that its E-Transit van is also getting attention from businesses as 300 enterprises have already ordered its electric van.

 

In fact, the massive retailer Walmart has confirmed that it ordered a total of 1,100 Ford E-Transits, which it is using for its delivery service. The retailer said that the electric vans are meant to help the company achieve its "100% zero-emissions fleet by 2024."

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/271396/20220203/ford-ev-sales-2022-ford-ev-ford-tesla.htm

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Remember when you claimed that US EV sales would begin to decline in January?

Ford's Record-Breaking EV Sales

The United States automaker further boasted that it kicked off the first month of 2022 with its record-breaking sales record.

Ford claims that its EV sales have grown four times faster than the industry standards. To be precise, the carmaker says that its January 2022 numbers are up by an impressive 167.2 percent when compared to its performance the same month in 2021.

Engadget noted in the same news story that the total number of EV units sold in the first month of 2022 is 13,169 units.

Ford EVs

It is interesting to point out that the only EV of Ford that is currently available is the Mustang Mach-E, according to a report by Teslarati.

The electric SUV has already booked 2,370 sales for Jan. 2022.

On the other hand, the sought-after F-150 Lightning and the E-Transit van got the remaining share of the pie.

Ford added that its E-Transit van is also getting attention from businesses as 300 enterprises have already ordered its electric van.

 

In fact, the massive retailer Walmart has confirmed that it ordered a total of 1,100 Ford E-Transits, which it is using for its delivery service. The retailer said that the electric vans are meant to help the company achieve its "100% zero-emissions fleet by 2024."

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/271396/20220203/ford-ev-sales-2022-ford-ev-ford-tesla.htm

https://www.investors.com/research/ford-stock-buy-now/

Ford stock raced higher in 2021 and into the new year, but retreated sharply in the market correction and has only rebounded modestly.

Bottom line: Ford stock is not a buy now.

Tesla Loses $199 Billion In Two Days — Is Elon Musk To Blame?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-loses-199-billion-two-191524081.html

GM Delivered Only 26 EVs In Q4 2021, Including Just 1 Electric Hummer

Tesla's CEO Elon Musk notes that GM has some room for improvement.

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Oil prices have nowhere to go but up, as the global warming becomes global freezing. What happened to those panic-driven climate models?

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/WTI-Crude-Surges-Above-92-On-Permian-Freeze.html

"The freezing weather in the United States, which had spread from the Midwest south to Texas, disrupted operations at some Permian oil wells, as icy roads have prevented some trucking operations crucial for oil production.

Due to the winter weather, a large producer in the Permian had to shut in 4,000 barrels per day (bpd) of its crude production, a source with knowledge of the situation told Bloomberg late on Thursday. The freezing storm has also affected some wells in the largest U.S. shale play."

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On 2/2/2022 at 3:48 PM, notsonice said:

global coal demand is set to rise to 8025 Mt in 2022, the highest level ever seen...yet in 2014 world coal production was at 8,164.9 MT...... You tell me which number is bigger 8025 or 8164.9??? please no calculators or help from your teacher ... 2022 is not going to set a record.....IEA obviously does not look at historical records the same as you....

Again, you have trouble with the fine print of the IEA, read and learn,

 

"Based on current trends, global coal demand is set to rise to 8025 Mt in 2022, the highest level ever seen, and to remain there through 2024, the IEA estimates.

This year’s global recovery dashed any hopes that coal-fired power generation may have peaked, the IEA said, expecting global coal power generation to rise by 9 percent this year to 10350 terawatt-hours (TWh)—a new all-time high.

Over the next two years, global coal demand could even see new record highs as emerging markets led by China and India will lead consumption growth which is set to outpace declines in developed economies, according to the IEA."

 

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