GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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9 minutes ago, specinho said:

Errr… if putting the number aside.......... Modern EV might still have much to catch up with an ICE produced in the 70s?? Are we regressing but still proud of our perceived progress.......?

 

 

Uh, you are aware that KITT is a fictional car?

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1 hour ago, kshithij Sharma said:

Yes OPEC only considers crude oil production, not the condensate. Attached is the annual production data of OPEC since 1960 to 2020. KSA production has been very low in 1950s and you can take entire KSA oil production prior to 1960 as 3GBL.

Simple formula for calculating cumulative oil production in MBL is to sum all annual production and multiply it by 0.365 (use this formula in excel =SUM(B64:BJ64)*0.365). The link for data is table 3.5 in : https://asb.opec.org/data/ASB_Data.php

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That might account for both issues - KSA produces a lot of condensate, and Ghawar is a major contributor to that volume - I don't have exact data on the Ghawar condensate production, but it is very significant, and unlike some other areas where the gas is flared, reinjected, or used in field duties, the gas from Ghawar is sent through proper gas plants and used for the grid in Saudi Arabia  - this results in the condensate being recovered, and a lot of places count condensate as part of crude, since it is a liquid, and in many cases is sent to refineries as a blendstock with other crudes for gasoline production.  

Another 'wild card' in Saudi reserves and production numbers is how the PNZ (Partitioned Neutral Zone) production and reserves are accounted for between it and Kuwait.  

Edited February 10, 2022 by Eric Gagen

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BrightDrop Production To Launch At CAMI Plant With 30,000-Unit Annual Capacity

GM Has 25,000 BrightDrop Van Reservations So Far

https://www.teslarati.com/general-motors-brightdrop-ev-cargo-van-reservations/

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5 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

So because it isnt yet invented we should all give up trying by your logic. thank God most people dont think like you.

"Robert the Bruce, who failed in war but who is remembered for the phrase: “If at first you don’t succeed: try, try again!”  Bruce was King of Scotland in the 14^th century, fighting long battles with the English for control of Scotland. He was defeated in battle many times and eventually ran away to a remote island off the coast of Ireland where he lived in a cave.

One day, while sitting depressed in the corner of the cave, he watched a spider trying to start to weave a web. The spider launched itself across the cave to reach the other side and start to spin the web. Time and time again the spider failed to reach the other side of the cave, almost reaching his goal. But it didn’t give up and kept trying.

After many attempts, it was successful, clung onto the other side of the cave and started to spin its web."

Here endeth the lesson!

I should know better than to ever bother making a basic engineering point in an online convo....  If you can't figure it out...well... enjoy doing the same shit over and over again pouring $$$ down a drain on that which YOU KNOW does Shit all other than confirming once again, you know Shit all other than we need several fundamental breakthroughs before trying the concept again. 

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The renewable energy sector has now hit the expected brick wall in cost run-ups o  scarce inputs, and that will increasingly be a deadweight burden dragging down the dreams of Green fanatics.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Outlook-For-Utility-Scale-Renewables-Sours-After-Record-Year.html

"Despite record capacity additions in 2022, the outlook is not all positive. Projects expected to start construction this year will face challenging economics, delays and even cancellation risks. For instance, rising steel prices are already having an impact on onshore wind projects, and utility-scale solar PV developers are concerned about surging commodity prices, signaling a potential downturn at least for the first half of the year,” says Gero Farruggio, head of renewables research with Rystad Energy.

The first sign of dark clouds on the horizon is the projected fall in large-scale renewable capacity breaking ground in 2022 versus 2021. A decrease in project start-ups is expected in 2022, mainly due to rising steel prices that have constrained onshore wind projects, as the cost of steel accounts for almost 70% of the final price of wind installations. The utility PV industry may also come under pressure, at least during the first half of the year, with developers keeping a close eye on commodity price spikes. However, increased polysilicon manufacturing capacity – projected to surpass 1 million tonnes per year in 2022 – will provide some respite to prices following a 300% spike in 2021."

Edited February 10, 2022 by Ecocharger

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3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I have debunked all four of your claims, that is my job:

"ICE auto makers do not recall more vehicles than they produce"

"GM and Ford recalls are only a tiny percentage of production". 

"That still puts Tesla below the others."

"whereas for Tesla the recall rate as a proportion of production was over 100%"

You are citing recall of 475K but even if we go with your arbitrary 2020 Tesla produced 509,737. https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-q4-2020-vehicle-production-deliveries

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GM globally produced 6.3M in 2021 but they recalled 8M in 2021.

https://media.gm.com/content/dam/Media/gmcom/investor/2022/janhttps://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2022/02/03/financials-fy-ford-21.pdfq4-earnings-deck-and-cy-2021.pdf

 

Ford global production in 2021 was less than 4M but they recalled 5.4M in 2021. https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2022/02/03/financials-fy-ford-21.pdf

 

A total of 8 million GM vehicles were determined to be potentially affected by recall reports, while Ford finished in second place with 5.4 million, the Detroit Free Press reports. 

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/auto-news/gm-ford-take-top-spots-for-the-most-auto-recalls-in-2021/

 

"The outlet reports that Tesla recalled as many as 475,000 cars in the US because of rear camera and trunk issues. Around 356,309 are Model 3 vehicles made between 2017 and 2020, and 119,009 more are Model S cars assembled in 2014. Bloomberg reported that Tesla will fix both issues for free. On Tesla’s website, the company reported that in 2020, it delivered half a million vehicles — just about as many as it’s now recalling."

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13 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

"The outlet reports that Tesla recalled as many as 475,000 cars in the US because of rear camera and trunk issues. Around 356,309 are Model 3 vehicles made between 2017 and 2020, and 119,009 more are Model S cars assembled in 2014. Bloomberg reported that Tesla will fix both issues for free. On Tesla’s website, the company reported that in 2020, it delivered half a million vehicles — just about as many as it’s now recalling."

I guess you really can't do math. So much for all that talk of your econometrics prowess. 

475,000 is less than 509,000 thus not over 100% of production. Your very quote says recall of 475K but they delivered 500K.

Totals from Tesla website: https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-q4-2020-vehicle-production-deliveries

I have debunked all four of your claims:

"ICE auto makers do not recall more vehicles than they produce"

"GM and Ford recalls are only a tiny percentage of production". 

"whereas for Tesla the recall rate as a proportion of production was over 100%"

"That still puts Tesla below the others."

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GM globally produced 6.3M in 2021 but they recalled 8M in 2021.

https://media.gm.com/content/dam/Media/gmcom/investor/2022/janhttps://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2022/02/03/financials-fy-ford-21.pdfq4-earnings-deck-and-cy-2021.pdf

 

Ford global production in 2021 was less than 4M but they recalled 5.4M in 2021. https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2022/02/03/financials-fy-ford-21.pdf

 

A total of 8 million GM vehicles were determined to be potentially affected by recall reports, while Ford finished in second place with 5.4 million, the Detroit Free Press reports. 

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/auto-news/gm-ford-take-top-spots-for-the-most-auto-recalls-in-2021/

Edited February 10, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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Global EV sales took a giant leap in both volume and market share in 2021, according to a new report from the International Energy Agency (IEA).

Automakers sold 6.6 million plug-in vehicles in 2021, more than double the 3 million sold in 2020, and more than triple the 2.2 million sold in 2019, according to the IEA. The broader definition of EVs as battery electric plus plug-in hybrids also claimed about 9% of the global new-car market, up from 4.1% in 2020 and 2.5% in 2019, the IEA said.

While global EV market share is still fairly small, this is a major increase from 10 years ago, when just 130,000 EVs were sold globally, the IEA noted. The organization also found that all net growth in global car sales in 2021 came from EVs.

 

 

Global EV sales and market share 2010-2021 (from IEA report)

 

China led global EV growth in 2021 as sales nearly tripled to 3.4 million, according to the IEA. United States EV sales also surged in 2021, despite supply chain issues, more than doubling to surpass half a million

Edited February 10, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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On 2/8/2022 at 12:25 AM, Eyes Wide Open said:

I'd suggest you slow down, do you have any comprehension of your scattered... well perhaps fragmented blogging? When you posted  franchise guidelines in a dealer agreement conversation it was fish on..

Here grasshopper just a outline of a automotive dealer agreement. Extremely generic at that. 

What Constitutes the Dealership Agreements?

A dealership agreement typically include

1. Purpose of the agreement
   • Details of the good involved in the transaction
   • The territory of the dealer’s operation
2. Tenure of the Agreement
   • Maybe an indefinite period
   • If a specific time period then, provision and terms of renewability
3. The obligation of the parties, which may include
   • Duties of the distributor to provide a percentage of capital for staff
   • Duties of the dealer to complete the procedure of initiating the dealership within a specific time period.
   • Dealer to not hold back promotion of goods supplied by the distributor
4. The procedure of supply and return of goods
   • Dates of delivery of goods
   • Return of defective goods
5. Promotion and training
   • Regular training to be provided to an employee of the dealers
   • Material for promotions to be provided to the dealer
   • Discounts and deals to be conveyed with brochures to the dealer
6. Invoices and the mode of payment
   • The time period of the invoices
   • Penalties of any to be levied upon late payment or otherwise
   • Payment period- monthly, quarterly or otherwise
7. Any restrictions upon the parties
   • Restrictions upon transactions with any competitors
   • Prices of goods, it can be altered by the dealer while selling goods to the final customer
   • Territorial restrictions
   • Exclusive dealership or not
   • Assignment, delegation by the dealer if allowed
8. Termination of the dealership
   • Notice period
   • Settlement of accounts upon termination
9. What terms shall survive the terminated agreement
10. The scope of appointment of sub-dealers, agent
11. The manner in which notices to be served to the parties and on what address
12. Waiver clause for any future breach of the terms by either party or failure on part of the dealer
13. Details of warranties provided on the goods by the Manufacturing companies.
14. Confidentiality Clause, dealing with business transactions, the technical data, the customer lists, the sales practices, the operational procedures, and practices etc
15. Clause for modification of the agreement, if any allowed
    • Which terms may be amended
    • Which terms may be removed
16. https://enterslice.com/learning/dealership-agreement/amp/

Clarification?

 

So what?  Here is the actual Ford Dealership Agreement: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1019849/000095012402000556/k66280ex10-2_13.txt

Please specify the clause that prohibits Ford from owning and operating a competing car company.

I recommend you stick to the cartoons.

Edited Saturday at 11:02 PM by Jay McKinsey

 

 

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Foot in mouth

Have you noticed a brown fog (maybe even opaque when you try to look at the world)?   My uncle had a Ford dealership in Winnie Tex.  So I recognize what Jay has posted  from when I did his legal stuff as a second opinion.  Where did you come up with the BS you posted.

We are going to have to change your picture to a shovel and hipwaders.

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9 minutes ago, nsdp said:

Foot in mouth

Have you noticed a brown fog (maybe even opaque when you try to look at the world)?   My uncle had a Ford dealership in Winnie Tex.  So I recognize what Jay has posted  from when I did his legal stuff as a second opinion.  Where did you come up with the BS you posted.

We are going to have to change your picture to a shovel and hipwaders.

So odd to see you here. Aside from that let us reach into your depth a smidge.

 1. Flooring inventory outside of the mfg, does this dealer dealer immediately receive hold back upon taking delivery of the mfg vehicle or does this dealer fund the local zone for advertising? Does this dealer even distribute advertising funds?

Next up, penetration or capture mix of retail financing. You know those tawdry small details...and then there is parts inventory...this should be quite illuminating...

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2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

So odd to see you here. Aside from that let us reach into your depth a smidge.

 1. Flooring inventory outside of the mfg, does this dealer dealer immediately receive hold back upon taking delivery of the mfg vehicle or does this dealer fund the local zone for advertising? Does this dealer even distribute advertising funds?

Next up, penetration or capture mix of retail financing. You know those tawdry small details...and then there is parts inventory...this should be quite illuminating...

You were posting BS while I was posing the real world franchise dealership agreements.

Flooring is not part of the franchise dealer agreement for either Ford or GM nor does flooring have anything to do with advertising. Both Ford and GM require dealers to advertise. 

Ford's requirement for dealer advertising:

RESPONSIBILITIES WITH RESPECT TO VEHICLES

         2. (a) SALES. The Dealer shall promote vigorously and aggressively the
sale at retail (and, if the Dealer elects, the leasing and rental) of CARS and
TRUCKS to private and fleet customers within the DEALER'S LOCALITY, and shall
develop energetically and satisfactorily the potentials for such sales and
obtain a reasonable share thereof; but the Dealer shall not be limited to the
DEALER'S LOCALITY in making sales. To this end, the Dealer shall develop,
maintain and direct a trained, quality vehicle sales organization and shall
conduct throughout each model year aggressive advertising and sales promotion
activities, making use to the greatest feasible extent of the Company's
advertising and sales promotion programs relating to VEHICLES.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1019849/000095012402000556/k66280ex10-2_13.txt

GM's requirements:

5.1.1 Dealer agrees to effectively, ethically and lawfully sell and
promote the purchase, lease and use of Products by consumers located in its Area
of Primary Responsibility.

5.1.5 General Motors will conduct general advertising programs to
promote the sale of Products for the mutual benefit of General Motors and
Dealers. General Motors will make available to Dealer advertising and sales
promotion materials from time to time and advise Dealer of any requirements or
applicable charges.

5.1.6 Dealer agrees to advertise and conduct promotional activities
that are lawful and enhance the reputation of Dealer, General Motors and its
Products. Dealer will not advertise or conduct promotional activities in a
misleading or unethical manner, or that is harmful to the reputation of Dealer,
General Motors, or its Products.

ARTICLE 9. REVIEW OF DEALER'S SALES PERFORMANCE

     General Motors willingness to enter into this Agreement is based in part on
Dealer's commitment to effectively sell and promote the purchase, lease and use
of Products in Dealer's Area of Primary Responsibility. 

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1019849/000095012400006964/k57699ex10-2_7.txt

 

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

franchise dealership agreements.

I see your embellishing your commentary...lmao you stunted savant.

Senile plzz pops!

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4 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I see your embellishing your commentary...lmao you stunted savant.

Senile plzz pops!

Just pointing out reality. You couldn't tell the difference between the real contractual agreement that I was posting and a generic reference aid that you were posting.

Edited February 11, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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34 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Just pointing out reality. You couldn't tell the difference between the real contractual agreement that I was posting and a generic reference aid that you were posting.

I do remember asking you quite distinctly....Franchise agreement vs dealer agreement. Now did you step right up to the plate and define that...But of course.

Now onto the Green Revoltion in the EU...so much for windmills...hmm it makes one wonder how the citizen's of France will feel about all those shiny new EV's being driven by government official's..

France announces a major buildup of its nuclear power program.

President Emmanuel Macron outlined plans for a wave of new-generation atomic reactors as the country seeks to slash planet-warming emissions.

Image

 

Actually I prefer the below headline, it contains a certain Gravitas. Your insights Jay?

 

Make Way For The French Nuclear Power Renaissance

 

French President Emmanuel Macron has called for 13 new nuclear reactors in what he called a "renaissance" of the country's nuclear power industry.

France, like its European peers, have ambitious plans to move away from fossil fuels. For some, it means an aggressive plan to shift away from natural gas and crude oil and toward wind, solar, geothermal, or hydrogen. For other European countries, it includes a robust nuclear power program.

In the coming years, France will "need to produce a lot more electricity," Macron said in a speech on Thursday at a turbine plant.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Make-Way-For-The-French-Nuclear-Power-Renaissance.html

 

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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And now this, Mexico has witnessed the EU failure. Ahh another oddity, it would seem someone/thing is influencing US energy policy behind closed doors. Now go figure that out.

Mexico Energy Bill Could Stop U.S. Climate Plan

Last year, Bloomberg reported that the new energy bill, which is being pushed by the Mexican president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, as part of efforts to strengthen the state's control over all industries, could shelve $22 billion worth of wind and solar projects. These projects are all operated by big foreign companies, including Spain's Iberdrola and U.S. Sempra Energy.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Mexico-Energy-Bill-Could-Stop-US-Climate-Plan.amp.html

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Ohh the duplicity of these Green Socialist's. Have they no shame? 

OPINION: Biden’s Green New Deal inflicts a hefty price on consumers

 

Oil companies had reportedly found massive new deposits of oil in the Arctic and on other federal lands that would, if developed, give our country greater oil reserves than OPEC and Russia combined.

The Keystone XL Pipeline and the new oil and gas reserves would have brought our country massive new wealth and many tens of thousands of high-paying jobs. This would also have kept our energy costs low. Low energy cost leaves more money in the hands of people and businesses. That stimulates our economy.

 

 

Immediately after taking office, Biden stopped construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline, banned oil exploration in the Arctic and stopped nearly all oil and natural gas exploration on federal lands.

Now we are paying dearly for his actions. A year ago, I was paying around $2.20 a gallon for gas. Now I am paying almost $3.40 per gallon. On my recent Thanksgiving trip to eastern Washington, I paid more than $4 a gallon at several gas stations.

The same forces that are propelling the rising cost of gas are projected to raise the cost of natural gas and propane for heating our homes this winter by almost 45 percent.

https://lmtribune.com/opinion/opinion-biden-s-green-new-deal-inflicts-a-hefty-price-on-consumers/article_11064bb6-4454-5a22-9019-b711c77ca5ea.html

 

 

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13 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

I should know better than to ever bother making a basic engineering point in an online convo....  If you can't figure it out...well... enjoy doing the same shit over and over again pouring $$$ down a drain on that which YOU KNOW does Shit all other than confirming once again, you know Shit all other than we need several fundamental breakthroughs before trying the concept again. 

Thats right dont EVER try to do something that doesnt initially work and see where that gets you / mankind.

I bet you're still living in a cave working out how to transport the woolly mammoth carcass because you havent thought of the wheel yet!

Have you heard of technology and scientific theories??? Yeah thats right think of the idea and then try to make a working model, might not be easy and might take generations but if the enormous benefit is there then its worth persuing.

Jeez you're one negative guy! Enloy your life.

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2 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Thats right dont EVER try to do something that doesnt initially work and see where that gets you / mankind.

 

Still can't read anything other than stupid shit PR fluff pieces.  Bravo!  They weren't trying to make it WORK....  Ah, but you only read stuff from non science based propaganda outlets  Yes, according to Hollywood, concrete explodes and steel catches on fire when shot with a bullet....  Enjoy your delusions. 

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14 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Still can't read anything other than stupid shit PR fluff pieces.  Bravo!  They weren't trying to make it WORK....  Ah, but you only read stuff from non science based propaganda outlets  Yes, according to Hollywood, concrete explodes and steel catches on fire when shot with a bullet....  Enjoy your delusions. 

sad!

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On 2/9/2022 at 5:25 PM, kshithij Sharma said:

Ghawar is getting depleted. Saudi minister himself has stated that Ghawar is undergoing EOR and its extraction level has increased to over 55% of oil in place. So, Ghawar production is indeed getting thin. Nevertheless it accounts to over 170GBL oil in place and 55+% will mean 95-100GBL can be extracted from it. Even if it produces 3 Mbpd oil, it can last 95-100 years. So, there is still a long way to go before it completely goes depleted.

That is possible but is a safety hazard. Nuclear heat can't be diverted without increasing risk of safety

Well, USA is known for its thirst for oil and being predominantly a petrostate. USA was also in full panic mode after 1973 embargo. Also, by 1980, all the technology currently used in oil exploration had been invented and hence the exploration results were very accurate. So, I am pretty confident that more discoveries are unlikely in areas where USA had free hand in oil exploration as USA being a petrostate does a very thorough job when it comes to oil exploration.

Nuclear heat is safe, when there is no radiation in it. Commonly used for district heating in Russia.

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On 2/10/2022 at 5:26 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

I guess you really can't do math. So much for all that talk of your econometrics prowess. 

475,000 is less than 509,000 thus not over 100% of production. Your very quote says recall of 475K but they delivered 500K.

Totals from Tesla website: https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-q4-2020-vehicle-production-deliveries

I have debunked all four of your claims:

"ICE auto makers do not recall more vehicles than they produce"

"GM and Ford recalls are only a tiny percentage of production". 

"whereas for Tesla the recall rate as a proportion of production was over 100%"

"That still puts Tesla below the others."

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GM globally produced 6.3M in 2021 but they recalled 8M in 2021.

https://media.gm.com/content/dam/Media/gmcom/investor/2022/janhttps://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2022/02/03/financials-fy-ford-21.pdfq4-earnings-deck-and-cy-2021.pdf

 

Ford global production in 2021 was less than 4M but they recalled 5.4M in 2021. https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2022/02/03/financials-fy-ford-21.pdf

 

A total of 8 million GM vehicles were determined to be potentially affected by recall reports, while Ford finished in second place with 5.4 million, the Detroit Free Press reports. 

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/auto-news/gm-ford-take-top-spots-for-the-most-auto-recalls-in-2021/

Sorry, friend, you who have apparently not taken econometrics courses and therefore not a regular economics degree, at least none that I have ever heard of, you have to look at the recalls as a percentage of production in the relevant production year. Recalls for 2020 production year as a percentage of product for that year, not as a percentage for the year in which the recalls occurred. 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Ecocharger

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On 2/11/2022 at 1:54 AM, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ohh the duplicity of these Green Socialist's. Have they no shame? 

OPINION: Biden’s Green New Deal inflicts a hefty price on consumers

 

Oil companies had reportedly found massive new deposits of oil in the Arctic and on other federal lands that would, if developed, give our country greater oil reserves than OPEC and Russia combined.

The Keystone XL Pipeline and the new oil and gas reserves would have brought our country massive new wealth and many tens of thousands of high-paying jobs. This would also have kept our energy costs low. Low energy cost leaves more money in the hands of people and businesses. That stimulates our economy.

 

 

Immediately after taking office, Biden stopped construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline, banned oil exploration in the Arctic and stopped nearly all oil and natural gas exploration on federal lands.

Now we are paying dearly for his actions. A year ago, I was paying around $2.20 a gallon for gas. Now I am paying almost $3.40 per gallon. On my recent Thanksgiving trip to eastern Washington, I paid more than $4 a gallon at several gas stations.

The same forces that are propelling the rising cost of gas are projected to raise the cost of natural gas and propane for heating our homes this winter by almost 45 percent.

https://lmtribune.com/opinion/opinion-biden-s-green-new-deal-inflicts-a-hefty-price-on-consumers/article_11064bb6-4454-5a22-9019-b711c77ca5ea.html

 

 

This is what is known as self-inflicted economic pain.

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On 2/10/2022 at 5:57 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Global EV sales took a giant leap in both volume and market share in 2021, according to a new report from the International Energy Agency (IEA).

Automakers sold 6.6 million plug-in vehicles in 2021, more than double the 3 million sold in 2020, and more than triple the 2.2 million sold in 2019, according to the IEA. The broader definition of EVs as battery electric plus plug-in hybrids also claimed about 9% of the global new-car market, up from 4.1% in 2020 and 2.5% in 2019, the IEA said.

While global EV market share is still fairly small, this is a major increase from 10 years ago, when just 130,000 EVs were sold globally, the IEA noted. The organization also found that all net growth in global car sales in 2021 came from EVs.

 

 

Global EV sales and market share 2010-2021 (from IEA report)

 

China led global EV growth in 2021 as sales nearly tripled to 3.4 million, according to the IEA. United States EV sales also surged in 2021, despite supply chain issues, more than doubling to surpass half a million

Again, Jay, this percentage of market is really not the full story, you have to look at total vehicle market, including trucks, and used vehicles, which are huge markets, and that gives something like a 1% share of market for EVs....just a pin-prick on the total, not even worth mentioning.

Edited February 14, 2022 by Ecocharger

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Again, Jay, this percentage of market is really not the full story, you have to look at total vehicle market, including trucks, and used vehicles, which are huge markets, and that gives something like a 1% share of market for EVs....just a pin-prick on the total, not even worth mentioning.

Why on earth would you count sales of used vehicles?  They don't qualify as sales to makers of new vehicles at all.  It doesn't matter if they make ICE or EV's

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On 2/10/2022 at 3:40 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

I should know better than to ever bother making a basic engineering point in an online convo....  If you can't figure it out...well... enjoy doing the same shit over and over again pouring $$$ down a drain on that which YOU KNOW does Shit all other than confirming once again, you know Shit all other than we need several fundamental breakthroughs before trying the concept again. 

Why do you worry about pouring money down the drain when it’s so easy to rack up billions.  How do you think the world went from a few hundred billionaires to thousands of billionaires.