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30 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

They are actually clamping down on coal growth and Xi was giving a pep talk to the coal industry that the transition to renewables would take time and that coal would be around for awhile.

China starts building 33 GW of coal power in 2021, most since 2016 -research

February 23, 20224:39 PM PSTLast Updated 19 days ago

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/china-starts-building-33-gw-coal-power-2021-most-since-2016-research-2022-02-24/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57483492

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6 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

China starts building 33 GW of coal power in 2021, most since 2016 -research

February 23, 20224:39 PM PSTLast Updated 19 days ago

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/china-starts-building-33-gw-coal-power-2021-most-since-2016-research-2022-02-24/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57483492

From @notsonice's post on the previous page. I guess you ignored it since it doesn't fit your worldview.

No new coal power plants ‘in principle’

China Dialogue

March 3, 2022

On 28 February, the National Energy Administration (NEA) suggested it will “further clarify the strict control of coal power plant projects, and in principle not [permit] the construction of any new coal power plants designed exclusively for electricity generation.” 

The NEA was responding to proposals made at last year’s “Twin Sessions” meetings of top legislators, on the role of coal power in 2021–2025, in the context of China reaching carbon neutrality by 2060.

The response leaves space, however, for new co-generation coal-powered facilities, such as plants that generate both power and heat, which are commonly used in energy-intensive industrial processes. It also permits the construction of new coal power plants for electricity generation “to a certain extent”, in order to ensure stability in the power system. No further details are given on the space left for approving coal power plants.

Last year saw a total freeze on coal power plant approval. However, 33GW worth of coal power capacity, which had ben approved pre-2021, did enter construction, according to the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air. So far this year, five new coal power plants, with a total capacity of 7.3GW, have received construction approval.

The NEA’s response comes against a backdrop of increasing financial difficulties for coal power plants amid rising coal prices. Last year, Datang Power, one of China’s largest state-owned power producers, lossed a net 9.7–11.6 billion yuan (US$1.5–1.8 billion), according to China Energy News. Coal prices are surging to historic highs this week as markets react to the sanctions placed on Russia, the world’s third largest coal exporter.

In its response, the NEA also stated its “active support” for the further development of hydro, solar and wind power, and the development of transmission links between provinces.

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12 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said:

 

It is mentioned that it can store with 50% efficiency for 1.7days. Having enough capacity to sustain SMR is not the question but the question is about how long can it hold Hydrogen with enough efficiency for generating power. Try to understand the difference between SMR & power generation6%

 

 

You have not kept up with the research papers out of the NETL  lab is I mentioned . In 1995 they achieved 72.3 for electric generation usling PEM cell wiht topping and bottoming cycles. .   Lets see of you are competent to find the paper.  The 50% is for a plane gas turbine with no waste heat capture using NG.   You can add another 8% to the gas turbine by capturing and  using pure oxgenc captured from PEM electrolyzerrs.  Eeer her of the  higher heating value of hydrogen?  I bet your engineering knowledge is so deficient that  you don't know how that is done.

Obviously  you don't read the information that contradicts your bias. "Having enough capacity to sustain SMR is not the question but the question is about how long can it hold Hydrogen with enough efficiency for generating power. Compare your stupidity with Air Liquide statement:https://www.airliquide.com/sites/airliquide.com/files/2017/01/03/usa-air-liquide-operates-the_world-s-largest-hydrogen-storage-facility.pdf

"The facility is capable of holding enough hydrogen to back up a large-scale steam methane reformer (SMR) unit for 30days"  I would say you are incompetent.

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17 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

From @notsonice's post on the previous page. I guess you ignored it since it doesn't fit your worldview.

What is this obsession with CCP website's. Truly I am at a loss, the world's free press reports one set of facts and the CCP state's another.

Fake News at every turn. I have no world view Jay, this Green Energy movement has shattered any semblance of order. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

What is this obsession with CCP website's. Truly I am at a loss, the world's free press reports one set of facts and the CCP state's another.

Fake News at every turn. I have no world view Jay, this Green Energy movement has shattered any semblance of order. 

 

I know it is crazy but the news about what China is doing comes from the Chinese.  Your "western" articles have plenty of quotes from Chinese sources.

Here is a western source for you:

China to Stop Building Coal Plants For Base Power Generation

Feb. 27, 2022, 10:40 PM

• Coal power still the mainstay of China’s electricity system
• Coal-fired plants will play a supporting role in power supply

China will no longer build new coal-fired power plants as main sources of electricity generation as the country works to reduce its reliance on the dirty fuel.

The nation will “on principle” stop building coal-power projects as base-load generators, the National Energy Administration said in a letter last week. The construction of some plants will still be allowed if they’re needed to help adjust or support power derived from renewable sources, which are subject to intermittency problems, or to ensure supply security.

The move is in line with China’s five-year development plan released last year, which pledged to “control the ...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/china-to-stop-building-coal-plants-for-base-power-generation

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

know it is crazy but the news about what China is doing comes from the Chinese.  Your "western" articles have plenty of quotes from Chinese sources.

Here is a western source for you:

Bloomberg? The corporation that was accused of silencing news reporters? Or the man who donated over 1 billion dollars to defeat Trump...rumor has it the CCP owns Bloomberg, mind you Rumor Has It.

You're  truly a fascinating individual, let no stone be unturned...etc etc etc.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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10 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Bloomberg? The corporation that was accused of silencing news reporters? Or the man who donated over 1 billion dollars to defeat Trump...rumor has it the CCP owns Bloomberg, mind you Rumor Has It.

I suspected you would affirm that any information not fitting your worldview must be fake news.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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State Grid of China unveils plans for 100GW battery fleet

China’s largest state-owned grid operator and power utility plans to deploy the world’s biggest battery fleet and almost quadruple its pumped hydro storage by 2030, thus supporting the nation’s switch to renewable energy sources.

State Grid Corporation of China (SGCC), which operates roughly 80% of the nation’s electricity grids spanning across 26 provinces, has unveiled plans to massively expand its battery storage fleet and pumped hydro storage capacity and thus help the nation move towards its decarbonization goals.

SGCC Chairman Xin Baoan said Wednesday in a commentary published in the state-owned People’s Daily that SGCC aims to have 100GW of battery storage by 2030, up from 3GW today. This is a very ambitious goal, given that BloombergNEF forecasts that all of China will have about 96GW of battery storage by 2030.

Under a five-year plan released this week, China is aiming to slash battery storage costs by around 30% by 2025, paving the way for local industries to dominate the global market by 2030. In addition, the fifteenth five-year plan drafted by the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) and the National Energy Administration (NEA) gives special attention to compressed air storage and envisages that this technology will realize engineering applications in units of 100MW of capacity.

But SGCC's plans don't end only with battery storage, the grid operator is also planning to increase its pumped storage capacity from the current 26.3GW to 100GW by 2030. https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/02/25/state-grid-of-china-unveils-plans-for-100gw-battery-fleet/

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8 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Bloomberg? The corporation that was accused of silencing news reporters? Or the man who donated over 1 billion dollars to defeat Trump...rumor has it the CCP owns Bloomberg, mind you Rumor Has It.

You're  truly a fascinating individual, let no stone be unturned...etc etc etc.

Are you finally accepting his defeat? Haha 

Putin owns trump

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I suspected that you would affirm that any information that doesn't fit your worldview must be fake news.

Jay you sadly mistaken, I have no "worldview" nor agenda. At the same time I would expect China, the UK, Ireland all the countries of the world to act in there own best Intrests. 

To your point perhaps, the US is not subject to world views or orders in any manner unless the citizens of the US deem so..

 

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4 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Are you finally accepting his defeat? Haha 

Putin owns trump

And then there's Gabby. So what's the shake Jake? 

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2 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Jay you sadly mistaken, I have no "worldview" nor agenda. At the same time I would expect China, the UK, Ireland all the countries of the world to act in there own best Intrests. 

To your point perhaps, the US is not subject to world views or orders in any manner unless the citizens of the US deem so..

 

Every human being has a worldview. Perhaps you aren't human?

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12 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

 

To your point perhaps, the US is not subject to world views or orders in any manner unless the citizens of the US deem so..

 

That is the fantasy.  In reality the USA is part of a global community. 

Listen to your god himself:

"We're lower than the world."

https://youtu.be/JIQ3igNzuNo?t=6

Comical

Edited March 14, 2022 by TailingsPond

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22 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

That is the fantasy.  In reality the USA is part of a global community. 

Listen to your god himself:

"We're lower than the world."

https://youtu.be/JIQ3igNzuNo?t=6

Comical

Gabby calm down, this world is righting itself. The Germans are self arming, France is repowering its nuclear grid,the Aussies are preparing,Putin is swinging in the wind and oil producing nations are shunning Biden.

The question is will it all congeal without a major loss of life..Ohh and the Green New Deal has run out charm...

 

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4 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Gabby calm down, this world is righting itself. The Germans are self arming, France is repowering its nuclear grid,the Aussies are preparing,Putin is swinging in the wind and oil producing nations are shunning Biden.

The question is will it all congeal without a major loss of life..Ohh and the Green New Deal has run out charm...

 

You just said the USA doesn't care what the world thinks.  Obviously you do care.

"[Biden] is not subject to world views..." 

 

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11 hours ago, Boat said:

How about no children if you can’t afford to feed, clothe, medical and educate them.

The hybrid corn used for ethanol is not eatable by you;you are not a horse.  It is good for dog food and other animals but not your cat.  You need at least 5% in your gasoline to control NOX and particulates that cause cancer from your ICE exhaust. Remember MTBE contaminates water.   Fed to swine, cattle and especially poultry adds methane to the biosphere.  You will need to change crops to ones you can digest. Hope you like Soyburgers.

Edited March 15, 2022 by nsdp
forgot MTBE

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23 minutes ago, nsdp said:

The hybrid corn used for ethanol is not eatable by you;you are not a horse.  It is good for dog food and other animals but not your cat.  You need at least 5% in your gasoline to control NOX and particulates that cause cancer from your ICE exhaust. Remember MTBE contaminates water.   Fed to swine, cattle and especially poultry adds methane to the biosphere.  You will need to change crops to ones you can digest. Hope you like Soyburgers.

If your young or in good cardiovascular shape you can burn those carbs and be ok. Typically carbs like corn, potatoes, beans and rice carry a huge amount of calories and fewer vitamins. You get fat. Fat kills. Average death would be pushing 90 if we all ate right, avoided pollution and exercised. These are more woke principles like critical race theory that simply save lives, better life styles, more productive lives and longer lives. You shouldn’t have to be woke to know this. It’s a smattering of education, empathy, decent values/golden rule stuff and exercise. Of course things like water, air and land have to be balanced with transportation, housing, heating, cooling and products that enhance our time spent. How dirty can we be vrs how long can the masses live. How much can being dirty cost in other ways like healthcare and length of life. This should be a debate that is relevant until humanity no longer exists. Explain that to the purpose driven unwoke. Lol

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7 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Gabby calm down, this world is righting itself. The Germans are self arming, France is repowering its nuclear grid,the Aussies are preparing,Putin is swinging in the wind and oil producing nations are shunning Biden.

The question is will it all congeal without a major loss of life..Ohh and the Green New Deal has run out charm...

 

The best part is Musk is the chief disruptor and nobody has the balls to mess with his politics. He is bigger than the Dems and Republicans is just you ain’t smart enough to know it. He is bigger than Russia, US oil, and the Saudi. He’s gonna eat their economic lunch and the world governments will pray they get his factories

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10 hours ago, nsdp said:

You have not kept up with the research papers out of the NETL  lab is I mentioned . In 1995 they achieved 72.3 for electric generation usling PEM cell wiht topping and bottoming cycles. .   Lets see of you are competent to find the paper.  The 50% is for a plane gas turbine with no waste heat capture using NG.   You can add another 8% to the gas turbine by capturing and  using pure oxgenc captured from PEM electrolyzerrs.  Eeer her of the  higher heating value of hydrogen?  I bet your engineering knowledge is so deficient that  you don't know how that is done.

Obviously  you don't read the information that contradicts your bias. "Having enough capacity to sustain SMR is not the question but the question is about how long can it hold Hydrogen with enough efficiency for generating power. Compare your stupidity with Air Liquide statement:https://www.airliquide.com/sites/airliquide.com/files/2017/01/03/usa-air-liquide-operates-the_world-s-largest-hydrogen-storage-facility.pdf

"The facility is capable of holding enough hydrogen to back up a large-scale steam methane reformer (SMR) unit for 30days"  I would say you are incompetent.

These are limited data we have. They still don't answer the questions as to why Carter's hydrogen plans failed if this facility has been functional for 40 years. Questions regarding the cost of building the storage basin, the maintenance and other expense involved also need to be assessed. There have been several other funny ideas like using "fast breeder nuclear reactor: to make use of the U238 which forms over 99% of natural Uranium but is not active in fission reactions. There also have been limited success in such projects like the French Phenix reactor but when the reactor was scaled up to the superphenix reactor, the real issues started popping up, leading to eventual failure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phénix  &   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superphénix

The world has immense amount of coal that can last for 100 or more years and hence will not face any problems for electricity generation anytime soon. Renewable energy and hydrogen storage will only remain in the periphery because of the much higher costs involved in stabilising the supply. The real problems will be known only after scaling the pilot projects to larger scale as seen in breeder reactor programs. Showing limited success as a sign of pathbreaking innovation is simply ignoring the reality that all these technologies already existed for the last 40 years and yet these programs never materialised.

The key here is to understand the difference between "innovation" and "invention". Innovations are just applications of existing technology whereas inventions are creation of new technology. The only real inventions in the last 30 years have been in the domain of semiconductor fabrication technology where new technologies like EUV, miniaturisation etc have taken place. The fields of material science has more or less remained stagnant to warrant any serious enthusiasm for new storage or alternate energies

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2022 Owner of the Year: Invenergy Wins With Wind

Owner of the Year has been delivering renewable wins for 20 years

A worker performs maintenance at Invenergy’s wind/solar/storage facility in LaSalle County, Ill.
Photo courtesy of Invenergy

March 14, 2022

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KEYWORDS Invenergy / Owner of the Year / renewable energy / wind power

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Among the projects featured on ENR Midwest’s annual Top Starts ranking are the $350-million Sapphire Sky Wind Energy Wind Farm in McLean County, Ill., and the $200-million Plymouth Wind Energy Center in Iowa. Both projects belong to Chicago-based Invenergy, ENR Midwest’s 2022 Owner of the Year. 

Founded in 2001, Invenergy develops, builds, owns and operates power generation and energy storage projects on four continents. While its portfolio includes wind, solar and natural gas power generation and energy storage facilities, its bread and butter is wind. The firm is one of the six largest owners of wind generation plants in the U.S. and is North America’s largest privately held renewable power generation company. As a developer, it’s got another top 20 project on ENR Midwest’s Top Starts list, the Paris Solar Farm in Paris, Wis., for two Wisconsin utilities.

Invenergy has developed 190 projects totaling 30,000 MW of generation capacity. These projects include 15,318 MW of wind over 101 projects, 3,874 MW of solar over 35 projects, 5,642 MW of natural gas over 12 projects and 300 MW of energy storage facilities capable of supplying 900 MW/H of electricity. 

A worker at Invenergy’s Grand Ridge wind/solar/storage facility in LaSalle County, Ill.
Photo courtesy of Invenergy

The Midwest region accounts for 64 of those projects, including 38 wind projects, 17 solar, three natural gas facilities and six storage projects. They account for 11,650 MW of electricity generation capacity and more than $72 million invested annually in local taxes, landowner payments and wages and benefits for workers.

“This is our backyard here in the Great Plains and in the Midwest,” says John Saxon, senior vice president of renewable development at Invenergy.  

Saxon says there were several factors driving demand for renewables that have led to Invenergy’s market position and growth in the region, with cost-effectiveness being the first.  

“It’s not just about the fact that this is sustainable energy, it’s the most competitive energy,” he says. “We’re seeing that from our utility customers, our commercial and industrial customers that have very electricity-intensive operations. They want sustainable energy and they want cost-effective energy. And we’re able to deliver that.” 

“Their ability to provide a project that is buildable, permittable and then functional from an economic standpoint is very good.”
—Chris Hanson, Executive Vice President, IEA

Saxon says Invenergy’s growth has also been propelled by the contractors it’s worked with on a portfolio that’s almost exclusively large-scale projects. One of those contractors is Indianapolis-based Infrastructure and Energy Alternatives Inc., a contractor focused on renewable energy projects. Chris Hanson, executive vice president of IEA, says the company has worked on at least one project a year, and usually at least two, for Invenergy since 2006.  

“Their ability to provide a project that is buildable, permittable and then functional from an economic standpoint is very good,” Hanson says. “They have a good development team. We would consider Invenergy as a Tier 1 developer.” 

Hanson says the projects it has worked on, no matter how remote or how daunting the scale, have always been well planned, designed and thought out by Invenergy. These include wind energy generation farms across the Midwest and a few in Texas. “It’s just been a very purposeful, deliberate and good functioning business relationship for a decade and a half.” 

“One thing we really pride ourselves on is a partnership model and that spans the entire life cycle of these projects,” Saxon says. “It’s how we approach the communities where we’re developing in and the stakeholders that we’ve got within these communities. It’s also how we approach our construction contractors. It’s building these relationships and that trust with every decision we make throughout the development life cycle.” 

Invenergy’s 132-MW Bishop Hill III Wind Energy Center in Henry County, Ill., can power 46,200 homes and businesses. WPPI Energy entered into a power purchase agreement with Invenergy to buy electricity from the facility through mid-2040.
Photo courtesy of Invenergy

This Owner of the Year is not resting on its laurels. Invenergy and its partner energyRe in February won an 83,976-acre area of seabed auctioned by the U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM). The winning bid of $645 million secured a lease of OCS-A 0542, one of the largest leases awarded in the New York Bight offshore wind lease. 

“We’re poised to be successful in offshore, and we see a lot of synergies between our business offshore and on, and we’re excited about advancing our efforts there and deploying offshore wind technology here in the coming years,” Saxon says. 

Like all energy providers, Invenergy’s biggest challenge remains getting the power it generates to load centers and, eventually, homes and businesses. Saxon says one of the key challenges for the deployment of Invenergy’s projects at scale continues to be getting to the resource rich areas to build and then getting that electricity to load centers.  

“The transmission side of the equation is something we spend a lot of time on,” he says. “There are a lot of places that have a high wind resource, have a good solar resource throughout the Midwest, but these are areas where there’s not a lot of demand for electricity. So, how do you get that energy from where you know you can site the projects to the places where the electricity is needed?” 

Saxon says Invenergy is working on several transformative energy transmission projects and remains committed to siting its projects in places where the company can bring the bounty of resource-rich energy pockets to load centers across the Midwest. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

They are actually clamping down on coal growth and Xi was giving a pep talk to the coal industry that the transition to renewables would take time and that coal would be around for awhile.

The problem I have with that is I dont believe a word Xi says!

Jay I think they will still be increasing coal usage and massively investing in renewables at the same time, just like India.

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3 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

The problem I have with that is I dont believe a word Xi says!

Jay I think they will still be increasing coal usage and massively investing in renewables at the same time, just like India.

Eventually one wins. Which is lower cost?

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36 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Eventually one wins. Which is lower cost?

Yes I agree but its not just about cost at present, its about energy security as well. This is why I think they will do both, better to have options than nothing at all.