GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

No, rising fossil fuel prices leave fossil fuel energy sources still more than competitive, as people need to keep driving their vehicles.

But the number of people who want to switch is growing fast and so is the supply of EVs. 

Rising Fuel Prices Have Generated Unprecedented Interest in Electric Vehicles According to New TrueCar Study

The TrueCar survey found that the proportion of consumers who say they are "extremely likely" to purchase an EV increased by 50% from July 2021 (from 14% to 21%). "Now, budget-minded shoppers have joined the technophiles and environmental stewards who represented many of EVs' early adopters," said Mike Darrow, President and CEO at TrueCar. "Throughout the last month we've seen a huge spike in electric vehicle and hybrid prospects on TrueCar sites. As for the EV that has been most popular, we're seeing Kia's EV6 as the vehicle with the highest scarcity," he said.

With fuel prices at an all-time high, 57% of survey respondents say they are now more likely to consider an EV due to those rising costs. Of those planning to make a purchase in the next six months, two-thirds say they are now more likely to consider an EV.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rising-fuel-prices-have-generated-unprecedented-interest-in-electric-vehicles-according-to-new-truecar-study-301523373.html#:~:text=With fuel prices at an,likely to consider an EV.

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On 4/10/2022 at 12:34 AM, Ecocharger said:

 

And as soon as you can learn to read, take a look at this, the new climate research is moving away from CO2 hysteria, the world wide panic over coal will soon be nothing but a bad dream.

Define "soon" so we know when when you will accept that your prediction was demonstrated wrong.

Occasionally look at reality... or keep the hope indefinitely.

Edited April 12, 2022 by TailingsPond

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On 4/10/2022 at 2:01 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

They just did their reconsideration and reconfiguration and the plan is to increase nuclear, renewables and EVs. No coal expansion.

Major natural gas expansion, coal where needed until renewables can catch up at a decent price. Renewable prices are currently in disarray like fossil fuels are. Right now it is whatever is available quickly that is most important. 

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Lowest priced electric vehicles this year. Add ten to twenty percent because dealers can't get enough vehicles of any kind whether fossil fuel or electric. 

https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/cheapest-electric-cars/

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4 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

Major natural gas expansion, coal where needed until renewables can catch up at a decent price. Renewable prices are currently in disarray like fossil fuels are. Right now it is whatever is available quickly that is most important. 

That is not their plan.

Edited April 12, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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9 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

That is not their plan.

How are EV sales going this year? I know there are a lot of models, but do they have enough production? Better than gasoline vehicles? I see your thoughts on where energy is going to come from. 

Edited April 12, 2022 by Ron Wagner

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2 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

What is their plan in your opinion? Also how are EV sales going this year? I know there are a lot of models, but do they have enough production? Better than gasoline vehicles?

It's not my opinion it is their plan, I posted it on the previous page:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-acceleration-of-homegrown-power-in-britains-plan-for-greater-energy-independence

I've been posting the EV growth numbers every month. Europe and China EVs are at 25% market share and the US is at 6%. US sales are about to go parabolic with the opening of Giga Texas.

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3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

But the number of people who want to switch is growing fast and so is the supply of EVs. 

Rising Fuel Prices Have Generated Unprecedented Interest in Electric Vehicles According to New TrueCar Study

The TrueCar survey found that the proportion of consumers who say they are "extremely likely" to purchase an EV increased by 50% from July 2021 (from 14% to 21%). "Now, budget-minded shoppers have joined the technophiles and environmental stewards who represented many of EVs' early adopters," said Mike Darrow, President and CEO at TrueCar. "Throughout the last month we've seen a huge spike in electric vehicle and hybrid prospects on TrueCar sites. As for the EV that has been most popular, we're seeing Kia's EV6 as the vehicle with the highest scarcity," he said.

With fuel prices at an all-time high, 57% of survey respondents say they are now more likely to consider an EV due to those rising costs. Of those planning to make a purchase in the next six months, two-thirds say they are now more likely to consider an EV.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rising-fuel-prices-have-generated-unprecedented-interest-in-electric-vehicles-according-to-new-truecar-study-301523373.html#:~:text=With fuel prices at an,likely to consider an EV.

They need to do their math and go with hybrids of some kind unless they can charge at home. 

[Ron Wagner + 649]

9 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

It's not my opinion it is their plan, I posted it on the previous page:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-acceleration-of-homegrown-power-in-britains-plan-for-greater-energy-independence

I've been posting the EV growth numbers every month. Europe and China EVs are at 25% market share and the US is at 6%. US sales are about to go parabolic with the opening of Giga Texas.

It will be interesting to watch the rise in the U.S. Even in Los Angeles I see an abundance of large cars and pickup trucks. Nobody seems to be driving in a way to get good mpg either. It is interesting to note that pickup trucks and most SUVs usually have no load and one driver. Most of those vehicles have a long life ahead of them. Meanwhile we are getting 40 mpg around town or not going fast on the freeways. Carter was right on that one. 

Edited April 12, 2022 by Ron Wagner

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8 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

But the number of people who want to switch is growing fast and so is the supply of EVs. 

Rising Fuel Prices Have Generated Unprecedented Interest in Electric Vehicles According to New TrueCar Study

The TrueCar survey found that the proportion of consumers who say they are "extremely likely" to purchase an EV increased by 50% from July 2021 (from 14% to 21%). "Now, budget-minded shoppers have joined the technophiles and environmental stewards who represented many of EVs' early adopters," said Mike Darrow, President and CEO at TrueCar. "Throughout the last month we've seen a huge spike in electric vehicle and hybrid prospects on TrueCar sites. As for the EV that has been most popular, we're seeing Kia's EV6 as the vehicle with the highest scarcity," he said.

With fuel prices at an all-time high, 57% of survey respondents say they are now more likely to consider an EV due to those rising costs. Of those planning to make a purchase in the next six months, two-thirds say they are now more likely to consider an EV.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rising-fuel-prices-have-generated-unprecedented-interest-in-electric-vehicles-according-to-new-truecar-study-301523373.html#:~:text=With fuel prices at an,likely to consider an EV.

Jay, old boy, have you stopped driving your ICE internal combustion engine sedan because the gas prices in California have been forced up by misguided government policies? I doubt it, I can still see you puttering along in your fossil fuel vehicle, just the same as two weeks ago. You have to go places just like the rest of us. And the higher gasoline prices do not change the market dynamics, cost of green inputs are skyrocketing, as I predicted here. To suggest that green transportation is cheaper than fossil fuel is just a laugh. Those people "considering" a change will still be "considering" ten years from now.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Ecocharger

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48 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, old boy, have you stopped driving your ICE internal combustion engine sedan because the gas prices in California have been forced up by misguided government policies? I doubt it, I can still see you puttering along in your fossil fuel vehicle, just the same as two weeks ago. You have to go places just like the rest of us. And the higher gasoline prices do not change the market dynamics, cost of green inputs are skyrocketing, as I predicted here. To suggest that green transportation is cheaper than fossil fuel is just a laugh. Those people "considering" a change will still be "considering" ten years from now.

HaHa, just enjoy watching those EV sales numbers keep skyrocketing every month.

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13 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh the nuclear part will get sidelined about half way through. The cost is going to be eye watering compared to renewables, batteries and hydrogen.   SMRs are not cheaper than big nuclear.

Jay this isnt just about cost!

This is more about energy security and reliability!

To build enough battery storage facilities will take ages (circa 30-40GW worth) so we need a mix of powergen not just renewables.

SMR's can serve a purpose particularly in remote areas.

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4 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Jay this isnt just about cost!

This is more about energy security and reliability!

To build enough battery storage facilities will take ages (circa 30-40GW worth) so we need a mix of powergen not just renewables.

SMR's can serve a purpose particularly in remote areas.

35GW of storage can easily be in place in a few years, long before the first nuke comes online. California has proposals for 135GW of storage in the grid queue right now.  https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/03/14/californias-solar-market-is-now-a-battery-market/

The first SMR prototypes aren't due for many years. Rolls Royce is scheduled to have their first SMR prototype ready in 2030. available to the UK grid in the early 2030s. https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/2021/08-11-2021-rr-announces-funding-secured-for-small-modular-reactors.aspx

Batteries are a much better fit for rural areas. Interestingly here in California we are planning batteries for remote areas in place of transmission line upgrades: battery storage is recommended as an alternative to grid upgrade projects. For instance 50MW/200MWh of BESS should be procured at a 115kV substation in Mesa to address a maintenance window for the network instead of carrying out a full transmission 230kV line upgrade project. https://www.energy-storage.news/california-transmission-plan-approved-but-interconnection-presents-challenge-for-grid-batteries/

 

Then of course there is all that green hydrogen for energy reserve that you are going to be making in 10 years.

In 10 years no one is going to want to pay for an SMR in the UK.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

35GW of storage can easily be in place in a few years, long before the first nuke comes online. California has proposals for 135GW of storage in the grid queue right now.  https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/03/14/californias-solar-market-is-now-a-battery-market/

The first SMR prototypes aren't due for many years. Rolls Royce is scheduled to have their first SMR prototype ready in 2030. available to the UK grid in the early 2030s. https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/2021/08-11-2021-rr-announces-funding-secured-for-small-modular-reactors.aspx

Batteries are a much better fit for rural areas. Interestingly here in California we are planning batteries for remote areas in place of transmission line upgrades: battery storage is recommended as an alternative to grid upgrade projects. For instance 50MW/200MWh of BESS should be procured at a 115kV substation in Mesa to address a maintenance window for the network instead of carrying out a full transmission 230kV line upgrade project. https://www.energy-storage.news/california-transmission-plan-approved-but-interconnection-presents-challenge-for-grid-batteries/

 

Then of course there is all that green hydrogen for energy reserve that you are going to be making in 10 years.

In 10 years no one is going to want to pay for an SMR in the UK.

 

 

You may be right Jay time will tell.

10 years is a long time and cost prices change, just look at NG!!

SMR's will come down in cost over time

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17 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Major natural gas expansion, coal where needed until renewables can catch up at a decent price. Renewable prices are currently in disarray like fossil fuels are. Right now it is whatever is available quickly that is most important. 

Nat gas just like renewables can only grow so fast because the infrastructure for growth is only so big. Infrastructure can be ramped up but that’s very expensive and a very big bet only a few can do. Oil is the same way. Rigs, then fracking crews, then pipelines, then refining capacity. Even big growth is small in a big markets. A world record doubling a battery installation was 100MW. Now there are several going up around 400MW. In a few years that will be exclisped but it’s still chump change growth in what will happen in say 7 years. 
The US currently drills all the oil and gas it needs plus exports a tiny bit of oil and a healthy amount og nat gas. Not sure why you think we need a big push including coal. Lol We are FF independent. The prices we pay is the price of US corruption. Nothing more. 

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16 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

 cost of green inputs are skyrocketing, as I predicted here. To suggest that green transportation is cheaper than fossil fuel is just a laugh. 

Annual energy price changes:

Batteries up 20%: https://www.lythbattery.com/lithium-ion-battery-prices-have-gone-crazy-or-it-may-last-until-2023/

Renewables up 28.5%: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Renewable-Energy-Prices-Soar-30.html

Oil up 65%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

NG up 170%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas

Coal up 235%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/coal

Edited April 13, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

HaHa, just enjoy watching those EV sales numbers keep skyrocketing every month.

Yes, Jay, you just "watch" them, and you keep driving your ICE fossil fuel vehicle, because you know that it makes no sense to go green.

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The prices of green products just keeps skyrocketing, as predicted here, and now they are backpedaling.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Renewable-Energy-Prices-Soar-30.html

"At a recent industry event, wind power developers complained that they are having to shrink their business amid an increasingly unfavorable business environment.

“The state of the supply chain is ultimately unhealthy right now,” said the chief executive of onshore wind at GE, Sheri Hickok. “It is unhealthy because we have an inflationary market that is beyond what anybody anticipated even last year. Steel is going up three times. It is really ridiculous to think how we can sustain a supply chain in a growing industry with these kind of pressures,” she added."

Edited April 13, 2022 by Ecocharger

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

The prices o f green products just keeps skyrocketing, as predicted here, and now they are backpedaling.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Renewable-Energy-Prices-Soar-30.html

Fossil fuels are skyrocketing much more.

Annual energy price changes:

Batteries up 20%: https://www.lythbattery.com/lithium-ion-battery-prices-have-gone-crazy-or-it-may-last-until-2023/

Renewables up 28.5%: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Renewable-Energy-Prices-Soar-30.html

Oil up 65%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

NG up 170%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas

Coal up 235%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/coal

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Demand for coal is hectic and desperate, nations just cannot get enough of coal to supply their energy needs.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/India-Faces-Coal-Shortage-Again.html

"Last autumn, India’s massive coal fleet was running out of coal, threatening a power crunch in the country that relies on the dirtiest fossil fuel for most of its electricity generation. Coal is the major power generating fuel in India, accounting for 70 percent of electricity generation.  

As of early October 2022, India had an average of just three days worth of coal in stockpiles, and some officials feared the coal shortage could last for up to six months.

India now faces another coal shortage, with high global coal prices, also because of the Russian war in Ukraine and the subsequent EU embargo on Russian coal imports, which is set to reverberate through energy markets and commodities worldwide."
 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Ecocharger

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4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Fossil fuels are skyrocketing much more.

Annual energy price changes:

Batteries up 20%: https://www.lythbattery.com/lithium-ion-battery-prices-have-gone-crazy-or-it-may-last-until-2023/

Renewables up 28.5%: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Renewable-Energy-Prices-Soar-30.html

Oil up 65%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

NG up 170%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas

Coal up 235%: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/coal

Jay, those fossil fuel prices are more sustainable because people need fossil fuels and are willing to pay for them at the fuel pump or the coal bin. 85% of energy needs are met by fossil fuels, they are the sustenance of our economy.

But I don't need to tell you that Jay, you are still filling your fossil fuel gas tank and driving your ICE vehicle in spite of the increased gasoline prices, and you will go along with those high prices just like the rest of us.

Thank you for supporting fossil fuels, Jay, I can't tell you how much that means to the energy industry of America.

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9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

 

But I don't need to tell you that Jay, you are still filling your fossil fuel gas tank and driving your ICE vehicle in spite of the increased gasoline prices, and you will go along with those high prices just like the rest of us.

Thank you for supporting fossil fuels, Jay, I can't tell you how much that means to the energy industry of America.

I only drive a few miles a few days a week. Haven't even been in my car since Sunday,  I live next to an electric train station.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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12 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, those fossil fuel prices are more sustainable because people need fossil fuels and are willing to pay for them at the fuel pump or the coal bin. 85% of energy needs are met by fossil fuels, they are the sustenance of our economy.

And now they have much lower cost substitutes. The transition is moving into high gear.

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The prices of green products just keeps skyrocketing, as predicted here, and now they are backpedaling.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Renewable-Energy-Prices-Soar-30.html

"At a recent industry event, wind power developers complained that they are having to shrink their business amid an increasingly unfavorable business environment.

“The state of the supply chain is ultimately unhealthy right now,” said the chief executive of onshore wind at GE, Sheri Hickok. “It is unhealthy because we have an inflationary market that is beyond what anybody anticipated even last year. Steel is going up three times. It is really ridiculous to think how we can sustain a supply chain in a growing industry with these kind of pressures,” she added."

you forgot to post this part of the story................

“North American renewable energy developers are struggling to build solar and wind projects fast enough to keep up with demand .............

and the reason is that the price of renewable energy is now cheaper than coal or nat gas electric power plants.....

 

Enjoy the thought as it is reality 

Same goes for EV's .........struggling to build ........... fast enough to keep up with demand .............