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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I accept your capitulation.

Send me your address, i will show you surrender!!!

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Just now, Old-Ruffneck said:

Send me your address, i will show you surrender!!!

Typical mouth breathing, knuckle dragging reply. 

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9 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Those 84 coal plants have not been shut down yet. Try again. Their mistake was relying on natural gas that they had to get from Russia instead of building out more green energy and keeping the nukes open. I know you aren't interested in reality but last year even natural gas only accounted for 10% of their electricity production, same as solar. Wind plus solar made up 33% of their electricity,  

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However, they are now moving forward with the rapid development of renewables.

Ahhh I see Germany is having a change of heart..Go figure.

Germany reactivates coal power plants amid Russian gas supply threats

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/germany-reactivates-coal-power-plants-amid-russian-gas-supply-threats/

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Typical mouth breathing, knuckle dragging reply. 

Hence my user-name. Just an old ruffneck that is still able to KA on a Commie p.o.s. such as yourself.

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ahhh I see Germany is having a change of heart..Go figure.

Germany reactivates coal power plants amid Russian gas supply threats

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/germany-reactivates-coal-power-plants-amid-russian-gas-supply-threats/

Yep because Putin changed their plans and natural gas is no longer a transition mechanism for them and they are still being dumb about their nuclear plants. What you can't understand is that green energy did just what it was planned to do. It was natural gas that blew up on them. Now they are accelerating green energy development:

Four countries pledge tenfold rise in EU offshore wind power capacity

May 18 (Reuters) - Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark on Wednesday pledged to build at least 150 gigawatts (GW) of offshore wind capacity in the North Sea by 2050 to create a "green power plant"for Europe.

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8 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Hence my user-name. Just an old ruffneck that is still able to KA on a Commie p.o.s. such as yourself.

Well thanks for being an intellectual punching bag. 

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57 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

My favorite part of the article was while trying to bash renewables he includes the quote: "He cited the example of gas-fired plants in Texas that recently shut down during a heat wave."

I just love how everyone points out the unreliability of renewables by pointing out the unreliability of fossil fuels.

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7 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

You do understand million and millions of Europeans cannot afford to pay their heating bills. The UK citizens are revolting on a massive scale. And you speak to bandaids and health care? 

 

So, when the price continues to climb here and reaches what it is in Europe, everyone here will still be able to afford it? That makes sense because...'Merica? I think you are undercutting your own point.

And yes, I could afford much higher gas prices if I didn't have to pay nearly $800 per month in health insurance.

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16 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/evidence-suggests-global-warming-ran-steam-years-ago-experts-argue-global-temps-remained-flat-20-years/

 

More Evidence Suggests “Global Warming Ran Out of Steam” Years Ago – Experts Argue Global Temps Have Remained Flat For 20 Years

 

By Julian Conradson
Published May 22, 2022 at 5:46pm
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This is a joke, right?  Presenting evidence from a far-right conspiracy theory site? 

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3 minutes ago, Polyphia said:

This is a joke, right?  Presenting evidence from a far-right conspiracy theory site? 

No, you are the joke. Come up with a real argument from real scientists like this article does. 

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https://www.citizensjournal.us/coal-on-the-rise/ This article actually points out the truth about China's hypocrisy.

 

By Jack Dini

Coal is proving quite resilient despite steep declines in some economies.

New reports show how coal remains a huge share of the global mix and the scope of new plants, especially in China. The International Energy Agency (IEA) projects a big rebound from the pandemic, with coal fired generation potentially hitting an all time high in 2022. 1

Giant global asset managers are still dumping tens of billions of dollars into new coal projects and hundreds of billions of dollars into major oil and gas companies. Thirty asset global managers have $82 billion in coal projects, $468 billion in oil and gas.

Despite their climate commitments, none of the 30 biggest asset managers restrict investments in fossil fuel expansion. This is incompatible with a Net Zero Scenario. The majority of the asset managers, 25 of the 30, are members of the Net Zero Asset Manager Initiative (NZAM), which is a collective of asset managers with noble climate goals: ‘committed to supporting the goal of net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 or sooner.’ Yet none of the 30 asset managers have required companies in the portfolios to quit coal, oil and gas projects. 2

China

China has gone all out to lift coal production in particular after an unprecedented power crunch wracked the economy in the fall.

China, the world’s top greenhouse gas polluter, continued to lead all countries in the domestic development of new coal plants, commissioning more new coal capacity in 2021 than the rest of the world combined. China has just over half the number of coal plants in the world and relies on them to generate about 60 percent of its electricity. 3

China boosted coal and gas output to record levels in March, as the nation turned to its domestic producers for security of supply after international prices skyrocketed in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. 4

The amount of the reported increase would represent seven percent of China’s coal production in 2020 which was 4.1 billion tons. 5

China accounts for 26.1% of global emissions, more than double the US share of 12.8%. China emits more than all developed economies combined. 6

In spite of China’s coal activity, the country publicly demands the USA fulfill Obama’s Paris Agreement pledges, and makes a big deal of their conversion to green energy. However, behind the scenes the Chinese green scene is starting to look like a gigantic coal plant construction exercise.

India

Coal had nearly 80% share of India’s power mix early this year. 1

India is planning to reopen more than 100 coal mines previously considered financially unsustainable, as a heat wave driven power crisis forces the world’s third biggest greenhouse gas emitter to double down on the fuel after months of low consumption.

The world’s second largest producer, importer and consumer of coal after China expected to increase by up to 100 million tons in the next three years by reopening closed mines. 7

United Kingdom, France and Germany

Energy firms have been asked to delay the closure of UK coal fired power plants by the government. The plants were due to close in the autumn as the UK moves towards more sustainable energy production.

French energy giant EDF has been asked to delay the full closure of its West Burton A plant in Nottinghamshire.

Uniper, one of Germany’s biggest energy firms, said the government had asked it to explore the possibility of keeping its unit at Ratcliffe power station, due to close in September 2022, open for longer. 8

United States

While China is building coal plants around the world, the United States is shuttering its coal fired power plants, despite having, by far, the world’s largest supply of coal.

In the US, IEA finds coal has been declining for well over a decade, but it’s projected it will be 24% of the power mix this year. 1

References

  1. Ben Geman, “Coal’s global staying power,” axios.com, April 27, 2022
  2. Catherine Clifford, “Giant global asset managers have $82 billion in coal projects, $468 billion in oil and gas,” cnbc.com, April 20, 2022
  3. “China ignores climate pledges, tops list in building new coal plants,” energycentral.com, April 27, 2022
  4. “China raises coal and gas output to records after prices surge,” bloomberg.com, April 17, 2022
  5. “China promotes coal burning again,” learningenglish.voanews.com, May 1, 2022
  6. Joe McDonald, “China promotes coal in setback for efforts to cut emissions,” abcnews.com, April 24, 2022
  7. Nupur Anand and Sudarshan Varadhan, “India doubles down on coal as heat wave worsens power crisis,” reuters.com, May 6, 2022
  8. Tom Espiner, “Coal plants asked to stay open longer due to energy supply fears,” finance.yahoo.com, April 28, 2022

Jack Dini — Bio and ArchivesJack Dini is author of Challenging Environmental Mythology.  He has also written for American Council on Science and Health, Environment & Climate News, and Hawaii Reporter.

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43 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

No, you are the joke. Come up with a real argument from real scientists like this article does. 

Nope--you posted the article that commented on the science. Why don't you take us through the primary research article by Madonna et al. (2022)--you are always criticizing Jay and others who post article from secondary sources, often claiming they are some form of propaganda.

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1 hour ago, Ron Wagner said:

No, you are the joke. Come up with a real argument from real scientists like this article does. 

The article is not from real scientists. It is based on a report from The Global Warming Policy Foundation, a dedicated lobbying group for climate change denial. The report even says on the first page that "Since 1979, lower Troposphere temperatures have increased over both land and oceans, but most clearly over the land"  Then it says "it looks as if 2016 may have been a global temperature peak. The next few years will show if this suggestion is correct." It does not say the temperature has paused for 20 years. It claims it has paused for 6 years after making a huge jump from 2014.

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2022/04/Humlum-State-of-Climate-2021-.pdf?mc_cid=2b0d86682b&mc_eid=4961da7cb1

Here is what 2015 to April 2022 looks like, the square boxes are year end:

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http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temperature/

Edited by Jay McKinsey

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13 hours ago, Polyphia said:

Europeans can handle the higher gas prices, at least in part, because other things (such as, I don't know, healthcare) is so much cheaper than it is here. I don't think this type of analysis in a vacuum works.

It works on the road and at the pump.

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2 hours ago, Polyphia said:

Nope--you posted the article that commented on the science. Why don't you take us through the primary research article by Madonna et al. (2022)--you are always criticizing Jay and others who post article from secondary sources, often claiming they are some form of propaganda.

Find your own scientists, or at least some kind of argument or give up. 

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10 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And it is natural gas that is responsible for unaffordable heating bills.

It is misguided Green Revolutionists and their governments who have pushed up the prices of fossil fuels....and reduced living standards in Europe for the average citizen.

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9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

We know how much oil was consumed over the years and how many EVs were purchased and thus it is a rather straight forward calculation. This makes your conceptual zero-sum market argument irrelevant.

No, that does not compute. These are separate markets with different dynamics and different potential customers. They follow their own routines.

I guess you never studied economics, Jay?

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7 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Almost like they know burning gas is bad.

Burning gas keeps the lights on for this old world...that sounds good to me.

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

We know the number of EVs and it is straight forward to determine how much petrol they replace.

It is straightforward for someone who is unenlightened enough to avoid market analysis.

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Well thanks for being an intellectual punching bag. 

Thanks for being so uninformed.

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The article is not from real scientists. It is based on a report from The Global Warming Policy Foundation, a dedicated lobbying group for climate change denial. The report even says on the first page that "Since 1979, lower Troposphere temperatures have increased over both land and oceans, but most clearly over the land"  Then it says "it looks as if 2016 may have been a global temperature peak. The next few years will show if this suggestion is correct." It does not say the temperature has paused for 20 years. It claims it has paused for 6 years after making a huge jump from 2014.

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2022/04/Humlum-State-of-Climate-2021-.pdf?mc_cid=2b0d86682b&mc_eid=4961da7cb1

Here is what 2015 to April 2022 looks like, the square boxes are year end:

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http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temperature/

Yup, that looks like the start of a plateau, and with major cold weather spells into late May across the U.S., the trend continues. 

The solar cycle models since 2017 have predicted the commencement of a cooling phase in 2020, so this appears to be right on target.

Thanks for the data, Jay.

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16 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

Find your own scientists, or at least some kind of argument or give up. 

My argument is that you don't know what you are talking about, and you haven't presented anything that refutes that.

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