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35 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

No, that does not compute. These are separate markets with different dynamics and different potential customers. They follow their own routines.

I guess you never studied economics, Jay?

Same market, the market of people who buy and drive cars on the road. If EVs didn't exist then EV buyers would have purchased ICE. Only an uneducated gnat would think that it is two different markets. You really do enjoy making a fool of yourself.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Here is a great video about some of the history of disinformation about global warming pauses:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QDGEJC1fg&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&index=59

Media studies...studies of research ending in 2007?  None of which examine solar cycles or reduction in atmospheric particulate....so what is the relevance of this video?

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7 minutes ago, Polyphia said:

My argument is that you don't know what you are talking about, and you haven't presented anything that refutes that.

What is your argument, precisely?

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30 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Yup, that looks like the start of a plateau, and with major cold weather spells into late May across the U.S., the trend continues. 

The solar cycle models since 2017 have predicted the commencement of a cooling phase in 2020, so this appears to be right on target.

Thanks for the data, Jay.

You're welcome, since you certainly never provide any data. With those heatwaves in Texas, India and now California this year will be warmer than last. The data on the chart already shows an uptick in temp from last year and all above the best fit line. 

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Same market, the market of people who buy and drive cars on the road. If EVs didn't exist then EV buyers would have purchased ICE. Only an uneducated gnat would think that it is two different markets. You really do enjoy making a fool of yourself.

Different markets and different consumers. Not a zero-sum game, which is a noneconomic analysis.

You never studied economics, Jay?

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Your welcome, since you certainly never provide any data. With those heatwaves in Texas, India and now California this year will be warmer than last. The data on the chart already shows an uptick in temp from last year and all above the best fit line. 

With this week's cold snap over the U.S. and 20" of snow in Denver, breaking down electric power lines, something seems to be happening, old boy.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Media studies...studies of research ending in 2007?  None of which examine solar cycles or reduction in atmospheric particulate....so what is the relevance of this video?

It is self explanatory. A decade ago there was a big push that claimed global warming had paused and it turned out to be a calculation error. There is no correlation whatsoever between solar cycles and the warming over the past 50 years, thus no one is talking about it.

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Different markets and different consumers. Not a zero-sum game, which is a noneconomic analysis.

You never studied economics, Jay?

EVs are market substitutes for ICE. No one with even the most basic understanding of economics would think otherwise.

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4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

With this week's cold snap over the U.S. and 20" of snow in Denver, breaking down electric power lines, something seems to be happening, old boy.

Yep, there is a massive heatwave in the rest of the country

US heatwave brings historically high temperatures to dozens of states

Temperatures between 20 and 30F above average in the mid-Atlantic and north-east, with Washington set to hit 96F (35.5C)

Sat 21 May 2022 14.21 EDT
 

Dozens of states across the US began the weekend grappling with historically high spring temperatures, as a blistering heatwave that has scorched the country’s south and west moves east.

The early arrival of sweltering weather, before what’s expected to be another hot, dry summer, is forecast to break or tie roughly 130 heat records for this time of year, with temperatures between 20F and 30F above average in the mid-Atlantic and north-east.

Over half of the US population will see temperatures at or above 90 degrees this weekend. And it’s only May

 

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8 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yep, there is a massive heatwave in the rest of the country

US heatwave brings historically high temperatures to dozens of states

Temperatures between 20 and 30F above average in the mid-Atlantic and north-east, with Washington set to hit 96F (35.5C)

Sat 21 May 2022 14.21 EDT
 

Dozens of states across the US began the weekend grappling with historically high spring temperatures, as a blistering heatwave that has scorched the country’s south and west moves east.

The early arrival of sweltering weather, before what’s expected to be another hot, dry summer, is forecast to break or tie roughly 130 heat records for this time of year, with temperatures between 20F and 30F above average in the mid-Atlantic and north-east.

Over half of the US population will see temperatures at or above 90 degrees this weekend. And it’s only May

 

Yup, something is really happening this week.

Major snowstorms have pelted Colorado this week, 20" of snow accumulation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/05/21/snow-colorado-outages/

A late winter storm dumped as much as 20 inches of snow in the Centennial State.

More than 100,000 customers are in the dark because of the heft of the wet snow, which weighed down trees — already green with leaves — and power lines. The greatest concentration of outages focused on the south and west sides of Denver in Jefferson and Denver counties, where nearly 80,000 customers were without electricity, according to PowerOutage.US."

I guess that those solar cycle models are in control.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Natural-Gas-Prices-Fall-As-Colder-Weather-Approaches.html

"Natural gas futures fell to $8.076/MMBtu (-2.79%) as the Global Forecast System predicted that cold weather was in store next week for the Great Plains and the Eastern United States, and the week following in the Mountain West and East Coast."

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22 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Only an uneducated gnat would think that it is two different markets. You really do enjoy making a fool of yourself.

Say What? Ohhh plzzz don't make a asshat out of yourself. Your marketing depth would be quite near a whaleshit pile up.

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22 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Yup, that looks like the start of a plateau, and with major cold weather spells into late May across the U.S., the trend continues. 

The solar cycle models since 2017 have predicted the commencement of a cooling phase in 2020, so this appears to be right on target.

Thanks for the data, Jay.

Nope--as someone pointed out previously ("notsonice", if memory serves), all but one of the data points post-2015 are above the best fit line from 1970-2015. If the data points from 2016 to the present were included in calculating the best fitting line, it would serve to pull the top end of that line up slightly, which would increase the slope, which would not be indicative of a plateau. The data points from 2016 to present look similar to other groups of data points on the graph. For example, if you look at the data from 1980 to 1987, they have a very similar shape as a group, and they do not represent a plateau either. They are part of the warming trend.

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Say What? Ohhh plzzz don't make a asshat out of yourself. Your marketing depth would be quite near a whaleshit pile up.

Well the automotive industry certainly thinks EVs and ICE are the same market. So it seems you are just a bigger idiot than usual.

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12 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Well the automotive industry certainly thinks EVs and ICE are the same market. So it seems you are just a bigger idiot than usual.

Jay time to show some depth here, plz do not default to auto ind. Grab your sack and make a argument.

Both Farley and Barre have proven themselves to be the village clowns. This conversation reminds me of one some time ago, dealer agreements vs franchise agreements.   Plz proceed.

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13 minutes ago, Polyphia said:

Nope--as someone pointed out previously ("notsonice", if memory serves), all but one of the data points post-2015 are above the best fit line from 1970-2015. If the data points from 2016 to the present were included in calculating the best fitting line, it would serve to pull the top end of that line up slightly, which would increase the slope, which would not be indicative of a plateau. The data points from 2016 to present look similar to other groups of data points on the graph. For example, if you look at the data from 1980 to 1987, they have a very similar shape as a group, and they do not represent a plateau either. They are part of the warming trend.

Nope, the current trend appears to be a plateau, consistent with predictions of the recent solar models.

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13 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Well the automotive industry certainly thinks EVs and ICE are the same market. So it seems you are just a bigger idiot than usual.

There is some overlap between the two markets, but they are not the same market. You never took economics, right Jay?

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

Nope, the current trend appears to be a plateau, consistent with predictions of the recent solar models.

No, you have been claiming that the solar models show a decrease in temperature, not a plateau. And the trend line and 11 year average are still going up, not a plateau.  Too bad you don't understand statistics.

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4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No, you have been claiming that the solar models show a decrease in temperature, not a plateau. And the trend line and 11 year average are still going up, not a plateau.  Too bad you don't understand statistics.

No, the prediction was of an onset of a cooling phase lasting for several decades. So the first installment of that is a plateauing in the observations. 

That is not rocket science, Jay, it is climate science.

Too bad you never studied statistics.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

There is some overlap between the two markets, but they are not the same market. You never took economics, right Jay?

If EVs didn't exist then the people who bought EVs would have bought ICE, complete overlap. EVs aren't a perfect substitute today for all applications but everyday their abilities expand. For example Ford is planning on EVs to be a third of all pickup sales in three years and it will just keep going up from there.

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10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

That is not rocket science, Jay, it is climate science.

Too bad you never studied statistics.

At the risk of sounding obtuse, i might suggest high school clerical skills definitely ring a bell here. Analysis ohh my such big words.

I say this for one reason only. This whole topic in this world we know is getting out of hand.

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15 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Jay time to show some depth here, plz do not default to auto ind. Grab your sack and make a argument.

Both Farley and Barre have proven themselves to be the village clowns. This conversation reminds me of a time long ago, dealer agreements vs franchise agreements.   Plz proceed.

Yes, where you could not understand the concept of me showing you the actual agreement that the dealers signed. 

There is no one in the entire automotive industry that doesn't think EVs and ICE are competitors in the same market that is called the automotive market. 

Though I'm sure many wish they were separate markets. It must have absolutely killed the California New Car Dealers Association to announce the 1st and 2nd best selling cars so far this year are from Tesla, an automotive manufacturer that does not have new car dealers. It wasn't even close:

Tesla Model Y sold 22K cars, Model 3 sold 21K cars and the third place Toyota RAV4 sold only 16K units. 

https://www.cncda.org/wp-content/uploads/Cal-Covering-1Q-22-002.pdf

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

With this week's cold snap over the U.S. and 20" of snow in Denver, breaking down electric power lines, something seems to be happening, old boy.

20" of snow in Denver?????

I just look at the official number for Denver 2 inches......I bet you think your unit is 20 inches long......You are not seeing the decimal point, reality it is  2.0 inches 

 

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Nope, the current trend appears to be a plateau, consistent with predictions of the recent solar models.

Yet the graph proves you wrong. Or should I say wrong again, as you are never right.

 

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4 hours ago, Polyphia said:

Nope--as someone pointed out previously ("notsonice", if memory serves), all but one of the data points post-2015 are above the best fit line from 1970-2015. If the data points from 2016 to the present were included in calculating the best fitting line, it would serve to pull the top end of that line up slightly, which would increase the slope, which would not be indicative of a plateau. The data points from 2016 to present look similar to other groups of data points on the graph. For example, if you look at the data from 1980 to 1987, they have a very similar shape as a group, and they do not represent a plateau either. They are part of the warming trend.

You are arguing with someone who is not playing with a full deck of cards. Ecochump ignores the facts and makes up BS all the time. 

The data show no coiling trend or phase. 

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22 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Burning gas keeps the lights on for this old world...that sounds good to me.

The sun provides far more illumination. ;)

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